Elizabeth Warren

londonfog

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“So, can a woman beat Donald Trump? Look at the men on this stage. Collectively they have lost 10 elections. The only people on this stage who have won every single election that they’ve been in are the women: Amy and me.”

Drops the mic. Loving Elizabeth
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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Elizabeth stole the night.
The women were the most authentic and the biggest winners.
I loved how she pointed out how the women on the stage had the best records of winning and brought in Amy as a sister who winns all the time as well. Excellent solidarity!
 
Justin-case

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Dr.Amber Trichome said:
Elizabeth stole the night.
The women were the most authentic and the biggest winners.
I loved how she pointed out how the women on the stage had the best records of winning and brought in Amy as a sister who winns all the time as well. Excellent solidarity!
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Warren really is the most relatable or genuine, I think. Her struggles of being a single mother can be heard in nearly every household in America. I haven't been watching the debates, as quite literally Bernie's thirty year old underwear has more integrity left than the alternative.
 
abandonconflict

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londonfog said:
Seems like you getting upset that a black man has an opinion for himself. Stop being a hypocrite
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Biden needs to evolve on marijuana. I don't think anyone is dismissing your views because of your skin color. Your opinion is very welcome and valued. Especially in regard to that Buttigieg thread, you're right and I'm more critical of him because of it. I still think he is one of the better candidates in the current lineup and I still think Biden is better than Trump.

I can't refute what you've said about Warren but I'm not in support of her economic agenda. She's not a bad character, she reminds me of my mom.

My mom is terrible with money.
 
Fogdog

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Couch_Lock said:
Baseless? Many agree, here's one site: If u bother to research, instead of relying on FOX news, you'd have some sense!

“Far too often,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said at Westminster College in September 2017, “American intervention and the use of American military power has produced unintended consequences which have caused incalculable harm.” Trump, too, wants to scale back foreign interventions. He is pulling out of Syria and drawing down in Afghanistan. Neither Democrats nor Republicans will make a principled argument for nation-building conducted by small numbers of soldiers, diplomats and aid workers: namely, that it is far cheaper to help foreign governments control their own territory than to deal with the terrorism, crime and disease that flourish in ungoverned areas.
To be sure, Trump would hardly agree with a great deal of what Sanders and Warren say. The senators focus on combating climate change and income inequality — problems whose existence Trump does not admit. They also strongly condemn authoritarianism and corruption — problems that Trump exemplifies rather than combats. And they stress the need to cooperate with allies, rather than to disparage them as Trump does.
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There are sharp limits to that cooperation, however. Warren, for example, writes that “we should encourage our allies to enhance their multilateral cooperation and build alternatives to China’s coercive diplomacy.” Great idea, except that Warren is as opposed as Trump to the most effective alternative to Chinese economic hegemony — the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
And Warren’s desire to aid allies doesn’t preclude her from demanding that U.S. troops be brought “home from Afghanistan and Iraq.” It would be interesting to find out how she squares this exit strategy with her support for “human rights abroad,” since a U.S. exit would be a boon to horrific human rights violators such as the Islamic State and the Taliban. But Warren never confronts the obvious contradiction.
Nor do Warren and Sanders explain how they can stand up to authoritarian regimes such as China and Russia while cutting defense spending. Like Trump, they engage in wishful thinking by imagining that if the United States does less, our allies will do more. More likely, they will simply accommodate themselves to predatory states such as Iran, Russia and China — or else take destabilizing actions such as acquiring nuclear weapons.
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One would think from your post that you endorse more military adventures not fewer and consider them good foreign policy.

As far as trade policy goes, any trade agreements that lack teeth when it comes to labor rights, pay, working conditions and environmental protections put US workers at a disadvantage. So, yeah, TPP as it was written should have been sunk. Given their system of rule by a corrupt oligarchy and terrible human rights record, tough trade negotiations with China up to and including abandoning trade with them are completely reasonable. I'm just against Trump's ham-handed and ineffective showboat negotiations with them. Bernie Sanders is a lightweight so he's not even in the discussion. Warren has a sharp mind, very strong credentials when it comes to finance law and economics. I think you are whistling in the wind when it comes to criticizing her.
 
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abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
Warren has a sharp mind, very strong credentials when it comes to finance law and economics. I think you are whistling in the wind when it comes to criticizing her.
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Do you really think she can write a single-payer bill without tax hikes as she has been campaigning on?

She won't even answer the questions. I could be convinced if your argument prevails, this isn't a taunt. I don't hate her and she IS far better than Trump. As it stands now, I don't support her economic agenda.
 
londonfog

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abandonconflict said:
Do you really think she can write a single-payer bill without tax hikes as she has been campaigning on?

She won't even answer the questions. I could be convinced if your argument prevails, this isn't a taunt. I don't hate her and she IS far better than Trump. As it stands now, I don't support her economic agenda.
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The same way you feel about Bernie I now feel about Biden. I have put him under a microscope and what I see I don't like, in fact I hate. I now find myself thinking about letting abstinence be my voice if he wins, but then I think about the people who have fought and died for the right for me to cast my vote. I pray he does not win so I want have to face that decision
 
londonfog

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abandonconflict said:
Do you really think she can write a single-payer bill without tax hikes as she has been campaigning on?

She won't even answer the questions. I could be convinced if your argument prevails, this isn't a taunt. I don't hate her and she IS far better than Trump. As it stands now, I don't support her economic agenda.
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her tax plan is not against you. it is against large corp, 1 percenters and dumb ass wars
 
UncleBuck

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londonfog said:
The same way you feel about Bernie I now feel about Biden. I have put him under a microscope and what I see I don't like, in fact I hate. I now find myself thinking about letting abstinence be my voice if he wins, but then I think about the people who have fought and died for the right for me to cast my vote. I pray he does not win so I want have to face that decision
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You could kill my dog and I’d still drag my dick3 miles over shredded glass to vote for you over conald
 
Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Oh look, Pada is posting polls because he can't form a coherent argument.
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You're wrong on the issue of universal healthcare. We've had the arguments, you don't believe the evidence, even though out of 11 OECD countries, the US healthcare system bottoms the list in regards to quality of care and cost. You're arguing against a cheaper system that has been proven to work better in 10 different countries than the private insurance system we have in the US because, you're a middle class American who, for whatever reason(s), has bought into the propaganda that it will be more expensive than what we pay now to provide and your taxes will become unfeasibly high for you.

Why continue to engage about this when you don't have the evidence to back up your position?
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're wrong on the issue of universal healthcare. We've had the arguments, you don't believe the evidence, even though out of 11 OECD countries, the US healthcare system bottoms the list in regards to quality of care and cost. You're arguing against a cheaper system that has been proven to work better in 10 different countries than the private insurance system we have in the US because, you're a middle class American who, for whatever reason(s), has bought into the propaganda that it will be more expensive than what we pay now to provide and your taxes will become unfeasibly high for you.

Why continue to engage about this when you don't have the evidence to back up your position?
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Are you ever gonna get back to me about raising my taxes from 15.3% to 26.8% to pay for this?

at least Bernie said the first $29000 I earn will be exempt from the 4%

you just went silent and ran away
 
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