Herms!

[Juddy Rotten]

This is probably the third year that I've ran this strain, and I'm now to believe that it might just be a true hermaphrodite. Every year I do witness it self pollinate itself and every year on top of these deliciously looking stacked crystally nugs, I get in return some of the craziest looking tiger stripe seeds! I'm just wondering if anybody else has ran into a particular strain that seems to always reproduce within itself. It just sucks because I'm currently waiting for an order from seedsman. And TBH it's taking like forever. I have some old beans that I could pop but now my concern is why even bother doing that if I have these pollen ridden monsters in my flower tent. I guess in a way I'm just looking for a second opinion, I am going to finish out this run, would anybody suggest that I wait until after harvest and a heavy cleaning of the grow space before I make an attempt to pop some new beans?

 

[OldMedUser]

Hermies must die. Not a big deal if you don't have a room full of plants that could get screwed up from it's pollen.

Pluck the male flowers off for less seeds and better yields. Or get an non-hermie plant.

Pretty ladyboy tho.

 

[Tangerine_]

If you started some seeds now, those plants will be finished before your new seedling are sexually mature enough to propagate. And you dont need to do a heavy cleaning. Just wipe your tent down.
They are good lookin plants.

 

[Calbrowno]

I assume it goes without saying that seeds from a hermie will only produce hermies so I hope you don't keep them!

 

[Juddy Rotten]

Hermies must die. Not a big deal if you don't have a room full of plants that could get screwed up from it's pollen.

Pluck the male flowers off for less seeds and better yields. Or get an non-hermie plant.

Pretty ladyboy tho.

Haha thanks yo! I have a gsc in the back of the tent that took some in 2. Now i have unintentionally bred something i think lol.

 

[Juddy Rotten]

If you started some seeds now, those plants will be finished before your new seedling are sexually mature enough to propagate. And you dont need to do a heavy cleaning. Just wipe your tent down.
They are good lookin plants.

This was the question i was struggling with. I was gonna start up a cupl new beans. But i was held back by the thought that residual pollen would finds its tricky little fingers in to the next round. A little bit of research suggests that pollen stay viable for about 2 weeks and that after I harvest these plants in particular I should just spray down the tent with a 3:1 water, hydropero. Others say use bleach and occasionally some say water renders pollen inert. Im gonna clean up a old 2x2 and start some freshies! Thanks for clearing that air man!

 

[Blent]

I assume it goes without saying that seeds from a hermie will only produce hermies so I hope you don't keep them!

This is only true if the plant hermied from genetic phenotype not stress.
OP. Is it Possible that something about your set up is stressing your plant to throw nanners? If its happened the same for last 3 grows maybe its you and not the strain... Just saying..? Go sit in the room in the dark for 10 mins and look for light leaks.

 

[Juddy Rotten]

This is only true if the plant hermied from genetic phenotype not stress.
OP. Is it Possible that something about your set up is stressing your plant to throw nanners? If its happened the same for last 3 grows maybe its you and not the strain... Just saying..? Go sit in the room in the dark for 10 mins and look for light leaks.

Hey thank you so much for the reply no light leaks and nothing other than maybe some cooler temperatures at night that are aiding in stress. I want to say that it's genetics on the pretense that other strains that I've cultivated in the past two years don't do that. It's only the seeds that I've ever harvested from Hermie Hawaiian Punch that always end up going Hermie on me again. My Girl Scout cookies was doing amazing and it looks like it got hit on a couple Bud sites but for the most part of the Girl Scout cookies surprisingly!, has been affected very minimally!! Thank goodness

 

[saintmetalhead]

Hermie seeds are generally small and punish but they work and yeah i mean huge chance you get shafted but they do work. IMO save them as backups but use better seeds or new seeds

 

[CanadianJim]

I have no evidence to back this up, but it seems to me that stress hermies throw nanners, and genetic have pollen sacs. Anyone have any experiences either way?
The one stress hermie I made threw nanners.

 

[saintmetalhead]

Ive had both happen on known hermi seeds i did but who knows right? anything can happen.

 

[OldMedUser]

If you get 'nanners or balls before the plant has reached it's end then you got a hermie plant that will give you about 30% hermie seeds guaranteed.

If the strain is important to you then you can breed the hermie out of them. Grow as many of the seeds as you can. Don't have to be big and could do it in solo cups if you wanted to. Make new seeds from a couple of select males with your best females around week 3 of flower. Watch both the males and females for herming and discard any new seeds that come from a girl that shows 'nanners or balls. I did that with a bunch of Afghani Kush seeds a buddy gave me years ago from a hermie pollination. Gave many of the seeds I made from them to firiends and nary a hermie showed up. About 80% of all grown were girls so that was a nice surprise.

 

[saintmetalhead]

If you get 'nanners or balls before the plant has reached it's end then you got a hermie plant that will give you about 30% hermie seeds guaranteed.

If the strain is important to you then you can breed the hermie out of them. Grow as many of the seeds as you can. Don't have to be big and could do it in solo cups if you wanted to. Make new seeds from a couple of select males with your best females around week 3 of flower. Watch both the males and females for herming and discard any new seeds that come from a girl that shows 'nanners or balls. I did that with a bunch of Afghani Kush seeds a buddy gave me years ago from a hermie pollination. Gave many of the seeds I made from them to firiends and nary a hermie showed up. About 80% of all grown were girls so that was a nice surprise.

that is one long process but it works. lol dedication lots of love haha..

 

[Blent]

I have no evidence to back this up, but it seems to me that stress hermies throw nanners, and genetic have pollen sacs. Anyone have any experiences either way?
The one stress hermie I made threw nanners.

I'm yet to see a stressed plant throw balls, Id have to agree with you based on my limited experience.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Imvho trying to make a decision, on whether a plant is a hermi or not, based on the conditions of the grow is pretty pointless.
It's in the DNA and it happened, it isn't tendency, it's the individual itself.

To me, suggesting every single female plant out there has the same capability, is an unproven claim and contradicts the available science.

Interestingly enough, having both male and female organs on the same flower, is technically part of what makes a complete/perfect flower.
Both sexual organs on the same plant, but separate, is technically regarded as incomplete/imperfect.

Botany already identified three separate genders in cannabis long ago. They've done taxonomy and everything.

Substantial claims need substantial evidence. So far in the cannabis industry, there hasn't been enough to support the claim imho.
More than likely a myth, to palm off hermi prone genetics.

Hell I could well be wrong, but based on my experience with hermaphrodite plants, the science seems to be true.
I think at the very least basing the decision, that some female plants are still genetically female not hermaphrodite, when the inflorescence says otherwise, is the wrong assumption to make.

 

[CanadianJim]

I'm not going to say that every female plant can go hermie, because I just don't know.
Actually, this raises a question, has anyone ever had a male plant with nanners?
I think it's interesting that hermaphrodite cannabis plants can produce full male flowers (balls) or just the anther (nanners). I wonder what the current state of the research is?
Anyway, it's fun to speculate, as long as we don't jump to conclusions.
Anyone who has any links to any research on these subjects, I would love to see it. If I find any I will share.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Flower Types: Complete vs. Incomplete, Perfect vs. Imperfect, etc

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https://biologywise.com/sequential-hermaphroditism-in-plants-animals

All from google, so not necessarily the best source, but there is plenty more too. Notice they all regard hermaphrodite plants as having the capability to produce both sexual organs.
Sequence of organ growth and appearance, seem irrelevant in the identification, besides to classify the type of hermaphrodite expression.

 

[Aussieaceae]

I'm not going to say that every female plant can go hermie, because I just don't know.
Actually, this raises a question, has anyone ever had a male plant with nanners?
I think it's interesting that hermaphrodite cannabis plants can produce full male flowers (balls) or just the anther (nanners). I wonder what the current state of the research is?
Anyway, it's fun to speculate, as long as we don't jump to conclusions.
Anyone who has any links to any research on these subjects, I would love to see it. If I find any I will share.

I haven't personally had a male plant turn before, but I believe I saw it a while ago.

Sorry to pull you in here @Xs121 , if it wasn't you I apologize.

 

[OldMedUser]

I'm not going to say that every female plant can go hermie, because I just don't know.
Actually, this raises a question, has anyone ever had a male plant with nanners?
I think it's interesting that hermaphrodite cannabis plants can produce full male flowers (balls) or just the anther (nanners). I wonder what the current state of the research is?
Anyway, it's fun to speculate, as long as we don't jump to conclusions.
Anyone who has any links to any research on these subjects, I would love to see it. If I find any I will share.

All cannabis plants have the ability to go hermie as part of their survival strategy. If they don't get pollinated they will form 'nanners late in flowering in an attempt to spread their DNA. Taht's basically how early fem seeds were produced by some. Keep the plant flowering past it's due date to force 'nanners. That does make good fem seeds.

Some plants have too much of that instinct and toss 'nanners willy-nilly often early in flowering and can screw up your crop so you don't want that. I'm not sure if those 'nanners make good seeds but they would likely grow more plants that do that so also undesirable.

Full blown hermies will grow balls. Maybe just a few down low or hidden away in buds and blow their loads unobserved screwing up your crop. Those must die!

If a strain is so sensitive that a bit of a light leak makes them herm then they should go too. I stress the hell out of my plants but rarely see a 'nanner unless it's a new strain then it goes.

And males can grow female flowers too. I've had 3 of those in the last 20 years. Took pics of one a few years back but damned if I can find it. Both male and female pre-flowers. I didn't keep it either.

 

[Xs121]

I haven't personally had a male plant turn before, but I believe I saw it a while ago.

Sorry to pull you in here @Xs121 , if it wasn't you I apologize.

Thanks for pulling me in. lol

No biggie

Yes I have a male that starts to show pistils. His sisters didnt throw a single nanner.







Weird stuff but never have a problem with the females.

p.s. I hate this picture thing I always end up double posting the pictures