Looking for strains to grow with high yield and high thc.

[Khyber420]

Nope.

So basically if a mother plant is infected with PM or some other fungus theres no safe way to save the genetics?

 

[PJ Diaz]

So basically if a mother plant is infected with PM or some other fungus theres no safe way to save the genetics?

You don't need to use Myclobutanil to get rid of PM and save the genetics. Yes there are other ways. H2O2 spray and sulfur burn is a good place to start. PM is not systemic.

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[Khyber420]

You don't need to use Myclobutanil to get rid of PM and save the genetics. Yes there are other ways. H2O2 spray and sulfur burn is a good place to start. PM is not systemic.

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Thanks, good info. Explains why i've had good success with Bordeaux mixture (during veg).

 

[arcalion]

You don't need to use Myclobutanil to get rid of PM and save the genetics. Yes there are other ways. H2O2 spray and sulfur burn is a good place to start. PM is not systemic.

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thats some fear mongering, bro h202 sprays wont solve PM, neither will sulfur, itll keep on coming back. ive tried everything thats "organic" good luck knocking it out for good. theres such thing as using eagle-20 safely, half life is half life, if it bothers someone dont smoke it for 6 months

 

[PJ Diaz]

thats some fear mongering, bro h202 sprays wont solve PM, neither will sulfur, itll keep on coming back. ive tried everything thats "organic" good luck knocking it out for good. theres such thing as using eagle-20 safely, half life is half life, if it bothers someone dont smoke it for 6 months

It's not fear mongering, and if you can't get rid of PM you should look at your environment.

Like you said, half-life is half-life, meaning that only half of it will be gone in that time (60-days, according to you). Then half of that half that is left takes another 60-days.

People said that worrying about the safety of Round-Up was fear mongering, then more and more people started getting cancer. Don't be foolish with this stuff.

If you want to ingest poison, go for it, but I sure hope you aren't selling it (or even giving it away for that matter). Don't go around telling growers that it's a good idea to use Eagle-20, because it isn't. You are pushing poison, and your denial only serves you in alleviating guilt.

 

[arcalion]

It's not fear mongering, and if you can't get rid of PM you should look at your environment.

Like you said, half-life is half-life, meaning that only half of it will be gone in that time (60-days, according to you). Then half of that half that is left takes another 60-days.

People said that worrying about the safety of Round-Up was fear mongering, then more and more people started getting cancer. Don't be foolish with this stuff.

If you want to ingest poison, go for it, but I sure hope you aren't selling it (or even giving it away for that matter). Don't go around telling growers that it's a good idea to use Eagle-20, because it isn't. You are pushing poison, and your denial only serves you in alleviating guilt.

bro, we're all going to get cancer and die one day, what do you mean, you could get cancer from absolutey anything these days. the foods we eat the soda's we drink. there is no escaping it.
5-6months youre fine, 1ml/1200ml aint gonna do squat.

 

[PJ Diaz]

bro, we're all going to get cancer and die one day, what do you mean, you could get cancer from absolutey anything these days. the foods we eat the soda's we drink. there is no escaping it.
5-6months youre fine, 1ml/1200ml aint gonna do squat.

I don't drink soda. I try to consume healthy foods. We're not all gonna die from cancer. Cancer only accounts for around 15% of deaths. After 6 months there is still 12.5% residual Myclobutanil, based on half-life math. That will do more than squat. The science is clear. Your bro-science is nothing more than hopeful speculation designed to remediate your guilt from dispensing poison. Please stop. Think of the kids.

 

[arcalion]

I don't drink soda. I try to consume healthy foods. We're not all gonna die from cancer. Cancer only accounts for around 15% of deaths. After 6 months there is still 12.5% residual Myclobutanil, based on half-life math. That will do more than squat. The science is clear. Your bro-science is nothing more than hopeful speculation designed to remediate your guilt from dispensing poison. Please stop. Think of the kids.

lol from 1ml/1200ml it equats to nothing, you've gotta be tripping at that point

 

[PJ Diaz]

lol from 1ml/1200ml it equats to nothing, you've gotta be tripping at that point

Science says otherwise bro.

 

[arcalion]

Science says otherwise bro.

you talking about the article you posted of them not disclosing how much was used in veg etc? i believe in chemical half-lifes meaning there will be a time it wont exist in the plant, telling someone not to do it on there mother plant would be just as dumb

 

[PJ Diaz]

you talking about the article you posted of them not disclosing how much was used in veg etc? i believe in chemical half-lifes meaning there will be a time it wont exist in the plant, telling someone not to do it on there mother plant would be just as dumb

Look guy this is straight from the manufacturer:

Eagle 20’s manufacturer Dow AgroSciences claims its fungicide is safe to use on food, but explicitly says it shouldn’t be applied to cannabis.

“Dow AgroSciences, without exception, will not seek regulatory approvals or support the use of its products on marijuana. Eagle 20 is not approved for use nor should it be used under any circumstances on marijuana,” the company said in a statement.

Additionally, cannabis growers have reported resultant respiratory illness, eye irritation, skin rashes, nausea, cramps and compromised immune systems when using this product. So, if growers are already experiencing medical problems, you can only imagine what happens to those who consume edibles tainted with Eagle 20.

They want to sell their product, they aren't going to tell you not to use it unless they have a good reason.

The article I posted said they didn't use it for over a year, and there were still trace amounts found.

As far as your statement "i believe in chemical half-lifes meaning there will be a time it wont exist in the plant ", what you've chosen to believe is wrong, by the vary definition of half-life. I think you should read up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

​

Number of half-lives elapsed	Fraction remaining	Percentage remaining
0	1⁄1	100​
1	1⁄2	50​
2	1⁄4	25​
3	1⁄8	12.5​
4	1⁄16	6.25​
5	1⁄32	3.125​
6	1⁄64	1.5626​
7	1⁄128	0.78125​
...	...	...
n	1/2n	100/2n

 

[PJ Diaz]

lol from 1ml/1200ml it equats to nothing, you've gotta be tripping at that point

Let me ask you this.. Are you willing to apply the following label to your product?..

Attention: The plants which produced this cannabis have been sprayed one time early in their life with the product Eagle-20 at a concentration of 1/1200 to prevent powdery mildew. The active ingredient in Eagle-20 is Myclobutanil, which has a half-life of 60 days. The company which produces Eagle-20, Dow AgroSciences, has stated that without exception, they will not seek regulatory approvals or support the use of its products on marijuana. Eagle 20 is not approved for use nor should it be used under any circumstances on marijuana, according to the manufacturer. However as the supplier of this cannabis product, I can assure you that it's totally fine.

If you aren't willing to disclose the above statement to your customers, then something is wrong.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Let me ask you this.. Are you willing to apply the following label to your product?..

Attention: The plants which produced this cannabis have been sprayed one time early in their life with the product Eagle-20 at a concentration of 1/1200 to prevent powdery mildew. The active ingredient in Eagle-20 is Myclobutanil, which has a half-life of 60 days. The company which produces Eagle-20, Dow AgroSciences, has stated that without exception, they will not seek regulatory approvals or support the use of its products on marijuana. Eagle 20 is not approved for use nor should it be used under any circumstances on marijuana, according to the manufacturer. However as the supplier of this cannabis product, I can assure you that it's totally fine.

If you aren't willing to disclose the above statement to your customers, then something is wrong.

That's the thing.

Honestly if you're the only one smoking it then it doesn't matter I guess but if you're selling that shit to people and not telling them what's up, that's shady.

As a consumer I will pass everytime on pesticide treated bud.

 

[Yesyes3000]

What are some feminized Indicas that I could order ? I interested in Cannorado,thug pug ,karma mass medical, but I don’t know much about them. Could I get some suggestions for some Indicas that are feminized from these breeders and or other breeders please ?

 

[sandman83]

Right.
And THAT is the difference.
It's not that I am stupid, I'm not.
It's not that I am lying, I'm not.

I harvest in eight weeks, and I make money.
You don't harvest in eight weeks, and you certainly don't make money.

But, look at the title of this thread.
I thought and hoped that it would attract professionals.
It obviously didn't.
In fact I don't think there's any pro's here. All a bunch of kids sticking a seed in their moms Begonia pot.

how exactly is 8000 a year worth flipping sub-par bud lacking potency? To me, 280k vs 288k is pretty negligible in terms of profit, that is a 2% difference that could be made up in other ways. To each their own but the reason I'm stopping buying is all the crap bud that gets sold as "high grade" around here with very little crystals, smell, or effect.

I can understand the owners/boss not understanding the point and dictating chop anyways, it just seems like such a small percentage and those last 2 weeks really add a lot just IMHO.

Edit: Perhaps I'm not thinking at scale enough, with 10 rooms etc. I'd rather be known as the facility cranking out top tier buds rather than just quantity but again I'm not in that field or market.

 

[HashBucket]

how exactly is 8000 a year worth flipping sub-par bud lacking potency? To me, 280k vs 288k is pretty negligible in terms of profit, that is a 2% difference that could be made up in other ways. To each their own but the reason I'm stopping buying is all the crap bud that gets sold as "high grade" around here with very little crystals, smell, or effect.

I can understand the owners/boss not understanding the point and dictating chop anyways, it just seems like such a small percentage and those last 2 weeks really add a lot just IMHO.

Edit: Perhaps I'm not thinking at scale enough, with 10 rooms etc. I'd rather be known as the facility cranking out top tier buds rather than just quantity but again I'm not in that field or market.

I am not defending their business plan ...
It is what it is. And it's not my business ...

A sommelier is a person who is a professional wine taster. (S)he has million dollar taste buds. Do you think that Boones Farm has one on staff? I don't. They don't care. Why? Because the fine wine drinker willing to pay $500 a bottle of wine wants that kind of attention and care to his bottle. He is paying for that.
The guy that buys a $15 bottle to have with spaghetti that night doesn't want to pay that much for a bottle of wine.
They are different consumers.
When starting up a new business, one of the first things the founding fathers have to do is write a business plan (constitution) and clearly spell out who their target customer is, and how they will reach him.

The stuff that my bosses sell is sold to people who do not want to pay $3000 a pound. They want to pay half of that - and we sell what the customer wants - because we have no choice. We can't force the buyer to pay 2x and get a better product.

I would love to buy a new Denali -- it's a better truck than the one I have. But, I have to buy a Chevy; because its all I can afford. GM builds both, why?

The mission of a business is to be profitable. It doesn't matter if its Land Rover or Kia, or Boones Farm or Berringer, or MacDonald's or LeBernanin of New York, or Tiffany's or Wal Mart; believe this, they all have a firm grasp on who their customer is. And, Boones Farm, MacDonalds, Wal Mart ... they don't try to color outside the lines.
That's business.

 

[Kassiopeija]

To the best of my knowledge when you combine 2 sets of genetics, even if they are the same genetics, there are still different ways those genetics can resequence in seed form. However if you are combining the same genetics back to themselves there would be exponentially less variation then with 2 different parents. Here is some great thread with thorough explanations https://www.rollitup.org/t/clone-vs-s1.872273/page-1 ,

Not trying to be rude, but I feel like if you havn't noticed any differences from seed that either you are insanely lucky, or possibly not very observant.

How many seeds per batch have you ran at a time?

does selfing not also suffer from inbred depression, as theres absolutely no genetic variance.

 

[Thundercat]

I am not defending their business plan ...
It is what it is. And it's not my business ...

A sommelier is a person who is a professional wine taster. (S)he has million dollar taste buds. Do you think that Boones Farm has one on staff? I don't. They don't care. Why? Because the fine wine drinker willing to pay $500 a bottle of wine wants that kind of attention and care to his bottle. He is paying for that.
The guy that buys a $15 bottle to have with spaghetti that night doesn't want to pay that much for a bottle of wine.
They are different consumers.
When starting up a new business, one of the first things the founding fathers have to do is write a business plan (constitution) and clearly spell out who their target customer is, and how they will reach him.

The stuff that my bosses sell is sold to people who do not want to pay $3000 a pound. They want to pay half of that - and we sell what the customer wants - because we have no choice. We can't force the buyer to pay 2x and get a better product.

I would love to buy a new Denali -- it's a better truck than the one I have. But, I have to buy a Chevy; because its all I can afford. GM builds both, why?

The mission of a business is to be profitable. It doesn't matter if its Land Rover or Kia, or Boones Farm or Berringer, or MacDonald's or LeBernanin of New York, or Tiffany's or Wal Mart; believe this, they all have a firm grasp on who their customer is. And, Boones Farm, MacDonalds, Wal Mart ... they don't try to color outside the lines.
That's business.

Well good for you have fun working for McDonalds then bud. If your standards are that low and you can live with that congrats.

You are quite wrong about what people want though, they want to get high, not just smoke shit weed with poor effects.

The majority of the market is not looking for boones farms($5) or for the expensive bottles($50). They want something right in the middle(the $15-20 bottle). They also won't keep buying the same $15 bottle if that bottle doesn't get them drunk, and tastes bland. They will find a different $15 bottle that they do like, or they might actually decide hey maybe the $40-50 bottle is actually that much better, not go buy some junky boones farm.

Yes businesses are about making money, but in order to make money you have to have customer retention.

 

[Thundercat]

does selfing not also suffer from inbred depression, as theres absolutely no genetic invariance.

It would seem very probable, based on what I've read, in only a few generations to notice this issue. I'm honestly surprised we havn't seen alot more of this from all the folks that are selfing auto/fem seeds.

 

[HashBucket]

Well good for you have fun working for McDonalds then bud. If your standards are that low and you can live with that congrats.

You are quite wrong about what people want though, they want to get high, not just smoke shit weed with poor effects.

The majority of the market is not looking for boones farms($5) or for the expensive bottles($50). They want something right in the middle(the $15-20 bottle). They also won't keep buying the same $15 bottle if that bottle doesn't get them drunk, and tastes bland. They will find a different $15 bottle that they do like, or they might actually decide hey maybe the $40-50 bottle is actually that much better, not go buy some junky boones farm.

Yes businesses are about making money, but in order to make money you have to have customer retention.

Boones Farm sells a LOT of hooch.
McDonalds sells a LOT of ... whatever they sell.
And, my bosses sell a lot of weed.
And, I get paid at the end of every month.

I don't get involved in sales, but I am told that our crops are sold in advance of harvest.
Yes ... there is a futures market in Cannabis.