Looking for strains to grow with high yield and high thc.

Thundercat

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Yeah I can tell.

It drives me nuts when people talk about seeds of clone only strains like GG4, Blue Dream, Green Crack, ect.
They simply aren't the same as the real deal, and imo should go by a different name, or add "S1" to the name at least.
I totally agree with you dude! While the S1 seeds might hold the POSSIBILITY of the same genetic match up as the clone only, it is not guaranteed.
 

Budget Buds

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But It was a GG#4 when I selfed it, the act of converting it to a seed using it's own pollen ie: the exact same genetics does not make it anything other then a GG#4. IMO
Genuinely curious question here. This quote of mine above as far as I know is correct via experienced outcomes by me personally. I've never had a seed that i produced by selfing a plant show any other tendencies than what it was doing when I was originally growing it. Are you telling me it's possible for a seed of a selfed plant to show some other growth characteristics? Like I siad, I've never seen it happen. But if it's a specific type of plant is: GG#4, and i take pollen from it and self the exact same plant..... would the seeds that resulted from it be anything other than a GG#4?

Not trying to argue, just trying to learn a thing or two if what I've been told and experienced isnt correct
 

HashBucket

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Look at it like this ... Two black cats fall in love one night and get it on. The result was ten fertilized 'seeds', planted.
A few weeks later mom drops 10 kitties.
9 of them are black.
1 is mostly white.

If you make seeds, most of them will have the traits you want.
But a percentage will not.

If you clone, ALL of them will be exact copies of what you want.
 

PJ Diaz

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Genuinely curious question here. This quote of mine above as far as I know is correct via experienced outcomes by me personally. I've never had a seed that i produced by selfing a plant show any other tendencies than what it was doing when I was originally growing it. Are you telling me it's possible for a seed of a selfed plant to show some other growth characteristics? Like I siad, I've never seen it happen. But if it's a specific type of plant is: GG#4, and i take pollen from it and self the exact same plant..... would the seeds that resulted from it be anything other than a GG#4?

Not trying to argue, just trying to learn a thing or two if what I've been told and experienced isnt correct
Yes, there will definitely be variation. Remember that there are both dominant and recessive genes, and the outcome of the offspring will depend on the combination of these genes.

A good similar example to this is two parents with brown eyes could have a child with blue eyes, if each parent has a recessive blue gene which they both pass on to their offspring.
 

Thundercat

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Genuinely curious question here. This quote of mine above as far as I know is correct via experienced outcomes by me personally. I've never had a seed that i produced by selfing a plant show any other tendencies than what it was doing when I was originally growing it. Are you telling me it's possible for a seed of a selfed plant to show some other growth characteristics? Like I siad, I've never seen it happen. But if it's a specific type of plant is: GG#4, and i take pollen from it and self the exact same plant..... would the seeds that resulted from it be anything other than a GG#4?

Not trying to argue, just trying to learn a thing or two if what I've been told and experienced isnt correct
To the best of my knowledge when you combine 2 sets of genetics, even if they are the same genetics, there are still different ways those genetics can resequence in seed form. However if you are combining the same genetics back to themselves there would be exponentially less variation then with 2 different parents. Here is some great thread with thorough explanations https://www.rollitup.org/t/clone-vs-s1.872273/page-1 ,

Not trying to be rude, but I feel like if you havn't noticed any differences from seed that either you are insanely lucky, or possibly not very observant.

How many seeds per batch have you ran at a time?
 

Yesyes3000

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I have a sour diesel plant that someone gave me and it has some PM on it. I keep trying to remove it and it comes back. What do I do ? If I cut clones from it will they have PM ?
 

HashBucket

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I have a sour diesel plant that someone gave me and it has some PM on it. I keep trying to remove it and it comes back. What do I do ? If I cut clones from it will they have PM ?
Yes, it will spread throughout your garden.

If you can - isolate it.

There are several over the counter treatments for PM, your grow store can help. If you don't have access to that, spray a weak solution of baking soda on it every day for a week.

More importantly is addressing the cause.
PM is caused by too much RH. Do whatever you gotta do to get the humidity down to 40% or so, and move more air. More fans.
 

Mcoocoo

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dying breeds unfortunately....
I grew up smoking imported sativa Landraces in the late 70's early 80's. I do agree that it is unfortunate that they are dying breeds. Ace seeds has some good gear if you are into it. Imo, most of the new hybrids don't come close to the high effect of a pure sativa. To each their own, I tend to be old school, I spent a lot of summers up on the hills growing 6 foot tall sativa strains, but I do like to grow some of the newer hybrids, they are more compact and easier to do indoors, plus it keeps things interesting
 

PJ Diaz

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Look at it like this ... Two black cats fall in love one night and get it on. The result was ten fertilized 'seeds', planted.
A few weeks later mom drops 10 kitties.
9 of them are black.
1 is mostly white.

If you make seeds, most of them will have the traits you want.
But a percentage will not.

If you clone, ALL of them will be exact copies of what you want.
Your numbers aren't really accurate there. It's generally closer to a 75% chance of offspring sharing identical genes for a specific trait. Keep in mind too that there are literally thousands of genes for the individual traits which make up the genetics for any given individual. Once you step back and look at all that genetic variation from parent to offspring you will realize how different S1 seeds can really be from the parent and also between individual seeds.

 

arcalion

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Yes, it will spread throughout your garden.

If you can - isolate it.

There are several over the counter treatments for PM, your grow store can help. If you don't have access to that, spray a weak solution of baking soda on it every day for a week.

More importantly is addressing the cause.
PM is caused by too much RH. Do whatever you gotta do to get the humidity down to 40% or so, and move more air. More fans.
i got PM from RH under 40% lol, only thing that eradicated it was legit tiny dose of eagle-20 during veg less then 1ml per 1200ml and gonezo.
half-life is 60days
 

HashBucket

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i got PM from RH under 40% lol, only thing that eradicated it was legit tiny dose of eagle-20 during veg less then 1ml per 1200ml and gonezo.
half-life is 60days
Half life (def): the time required for any specified property (e.g. the concentration of a substance in the body) to decrease by half.

So, in 60 days it'll just kinda half way kill ya.
Or ... you got a choice between taking a full dose of poison now ... or a half dose in two months.

And if you're getting PM with normal levels of RH, then you need to get more fans in the room. More air moving.
 

arcalion

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Half life (def): the time required for any specified property (e.g. the concentration of a substance in the body) to decrease by half.

So, in 60 days it'll just kinda half way kill ya.
Or ... you got a choice between taking a full dose of poison now ... or a half dose in two months.

And if you're getting PM with normal levels of RH, then you need to get more fans in the room. More air moving.
adding fans after you have PM is the worse thing you could do lol, anything besides eagle-20 wont work, simple ive been through it. and we're talking 1ml for 1200ml, do it before flipping to flower and its basically gone by the time you're smoking it since it takes 90+days, not gonna kill ya
 

HashBucket

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Exerpt from a KPIX-5 report titled in February of 2017
Bay Area Medicinal Marijuana Tests Positive For Toxic Fungicide



Myclobutanil. It’s a fungicide, often sold under the name Eagle 20.

It is approved for use on things like grapes and hops because if humans happen to eat some of it, it is considered harmless.

“If you smoke it, if you heat it,” Land explains, “it produces a chemical call hydrogen cyanide. It’s very toxic to humans.”

In a statement to KPIX 5, Dow AgroSciences — the manufacturer of Eagle 20 — said the fungicide has not been approved for and should not be used on marijuana.

“Dow AgroSciences, without exception, will not seek regulatory approvals or support the use of its products on marijuana,” the statement read. “Eagle 20 is not approved for use nor should it be used under any circumstances on marijuana.”

Please don't use this stuff on anything that you're going to smoke.
If my boss required me to use this stuff, or anything like it - I would quit and report.
I don't believe in ratting people out ... but, I feel even more strongly about killing people.
 
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