Moisture back into your Bud

[PJ Diaz]

Last time - the chart is not for marijuana and figures not accurate for our dry....

True, it's for 4 different types of dry crops. None of which are able to get below 15% total moisture content in conditions above 80% RH, and most of which need to be below 60% RH and above 40% RH. The simple takeaway is that we should try to keep our drying environment within this range.

 

[Kingrow1]

Its more about you starting to accept the rral truth and science to drying - you wont find many crops like mj and thus the chart is merely simple wiki stuff.

We can dry well below 40% humidity- most of us are forced to in the winter here due to heating and your statement reads like the whole uk weed supply just turned to dust.

Try be more open and stop trying to find loints to support bumidity control

True, it's for 4 different types of dry crops. None of which are able to get below 15% total moisture content in conditions above 80% RH, and most of which need to be below 60% RH and above 40% RH. The simple takeaway is that we should try to keep our drying environment within this range.

 

[Kingrow1]

you have a sadistic avatar

Recently its a sadistic industry and business growing weed - the black market was way more fun and friendly

 

[PJ Diaz]

Its more about you starting to accept the rral truth and science to drying - you wont find many crops like mj and thus the chart is merely simple wiki stuff.

We can dry well below 40% humidity- most of us are forced to in the winter here due to heating and your statement reads like the whole uk weed supply just turned to dust.

Try be more open and stop trying to find loints to support bumidity control

Funny thing here. You seem to assume that everyone drys in the same environment they live in. That's not even close to reality. Personally I grow and dry in a tent in my shed, which is not the same climate I live in. Sure you can dry below 40% RH, but it may leave you with overly dry herb. The science you posted tells us that.

It seems odd that you are replying about low RH, when I've consistently mentioned issues associated with high RH.

When did I ever say anything would turn to dust? It seems to me you are the one who said that only happens if you grow bad weed. Are you now backtracking on previous statements.

I see you mentioned science class earlier, which causes me to assume that you are a 20-something college kid who knows it all (or thinks so). I finished my college horticulture classes over 20 years ago, when you were still shitting in your diapers.

 

[Kassiopeija]

the black market was way more fun and friendly

but it can also have grave consequences... its my situation and I actually think the guys over the sea go into the right direction. just gives more overall options.

edit:
and yeah there were funny times. ultimate freedom.

 

[Kingrow1]

Overly dry bud would crumble not compress - this distinction is also not mine. At lower humidities this does not happen but it goes through a grinder slightly better i.e. it achieved the lower ten percent moisture content.

Actually it is you who goes on about humidity - the whole industry just wont stop and hence we have the autocurer and boveda etc etc. Im merely correcting where your wrong and explaining what dry actually is and why it still needs longer hanging to develop taste and flavour.

Ive dried through weeks of heavy rain and high humidities - still dried down enough to smoke and taste great but yes it can be not quite the desired dryness.... Buuuuuuutttt until we all understand the simple facts and arent getting a gazzilion early jarring hay tasting questions then how can we ever hope to cover the fine detail i and others use to adjust for a prefered smoke in threads here?

Literally there is so.much more but so far you want to adjust humidity and early jar for fear of overdrying whilst paying for pointless boveda or something to that effect.

Funny thing here. You seem to assume that everyone drys in the same environment they live in. That's not even close to reality. Personally I grow and dry in a tent in my shed, which is not the same climate I live in. qSure you can dry below 40% RH, but it may leave you with overly dry herb. The science you posted tells us that.

It seems odd that you are replying about low RH, when I've consistently mentioned issues associated with high RH.

When did I ever say anything would turn to dust? It seems to me you are the one who said that only happens if you grow bad weed. Are you now backtracking on previous statements.

I see you mentioned science class earlier, which causes me to assume that you are a 20-something college kid who knows it all (or thinks so). I finished my college horticulture classes over 20 years ago, when you were still shitting in your diapers.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Overly dry bud would crumble not compress - this distinction is also not mine. At lower humidities this does not happen but it goes through a grinder slightly better i.e. it achieved the lower ten percent moisture content.

Actually it is you who goes on about humidity - the whole industry just wont stop and hence we have the autocurer and boveda etc etc. Im merely correcting where your wrong and explaining what dry actually is and why it still needs longer hanging to develop taste and flavour.

Ive dried through weeks of heavy rain and high humidities - still dried down enough to smoke and taste great but yes it can be not quite the desired dryness.... Buuuuuuutttt until we all understand the simple facts and arent getting a gazzilion early jarring hay tasting questions then how can we ever hope to cover the fine detail i and others use to adjust for a prefered smoke in threads here?

Literally there is so.much more but so far you want to adjust humidity and early jar for fear of overdrying whilst paying for pointless boveda or something to that effect.

You assume too much. I don't use bodeva, nor do I jar too early. When necessary I do control my environment when drying to ideal conditions. I like to avoid things like molds and such which thrive where I'm at.

I must say I'm confused by your self-contradictions. Above you say, "Overly dry bud would crumble not compress". Yet you have said other things which seem to contradict that:

Well grown bud dosent turn to dust it in low humidity it simply adopts a slightly lower moisture content within that finished 10-15%. Badly grown bud does turn to dust when crunched whereas well grown bud will simply compress.

My bud has never turned to dust ever no matter how ive dried

So it crumbles but dosn't turn to dust?.. Unless it's bad weed? I'm confused. How many different strains have you grown, by the way? There is a big difference between how a pure Indica vs pure Sativa will dry and store under similar conditions.

 

[Kassiopeija]

Overly dry bud would crumble not compress - this distinction is also not mine. At lower humidities this does not happen but it goes through a grinder slightly better i.e. it achieved the lower ten percent moisture content.

Actually it is you who goes on about humidity - the whole industry just wont stop and hence we have the autocurer and boveda etc etc. Im merely correcting where your wrong and explaining what dry actually is and why it still needs longer hanging to develop taste and flavour.

Ive dried through weeks of heavy rain and high humidities - still dried down enough to smoke and taste great but yes it can be not quite the desired dryness.... Buuuuuuutttt until we all understand the simple facts and arent getting a gazzilion early jarring hay tasting questions then how can we ever hope to cover the fine detail i and others use to adjust for a prefered smoke in threads here?

Literally there is so.much more but so far you want to adjust humidity and early jar for fear of overdrying whilst paying for pointless boveda or something to that effect.

I just have this strange idea that controlled circumstances will benefit the grow at all times... you can see it at your plant, later too. I can't see any benefits of these chaotic ups and downs of the environment. How could that lead to the same product?

 

[Kingrow1]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - B. Franklin

Last i checked people were hoping.legal would lead to complete freedom....

but it can also have grave consequences... its my situation and I actually think the guys over the sea go into the right direction. just gives more overall options.

edit:
and yeah there were funny times. ultimate freedom.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I just have this strange idea that controlled circumstances will benefit the grow at all times... you can see it at your plant, later too. I can't see any benefits of these chaotic ups and downs of the environment. How could that lead to the same product?

Good point. It's definitely seemingly odd to take so much care in controlling environmental conditions throughout the grow to suddenly stop taking the same care once you chop the plant. I think we all know that there are "workable conditions" and "ideal conditions". Why should someone give advice on only the marginally workable conditions, instead of suggesting ideal conditions?

 

[Kingrow1]

None of the ups and downs degrade the product in anyway but merely speed or slow the dry by a day or so.

Actually the important part happens after its dried and thats the taste and smell part hence hanging for longer than it takes to dry and the dry is simply just to avoid mold wether it takes five or seven days.

Taste and smell is complex but you can just hang and keep sampling to easily see why you actually dont need to jar until the bud taste and smokes great.

Those that fear overdrying and jar too early have zero.idea the extra stage and taste and smell development even exists and henxe argue dufferent

I just have this strange idea that controlled circumstances will benefit the grow at all times... you can see it at your plant, later too. I can't see any benefits of these chaotic ups and downs of the environment. How could that lead to the same product?

 

[Kingrow1]

No offence but you have yet to quote any tolerances to workable conditions and have so far given baseless assumptions.

Do you not think you and the others would better spend your time coming up with some real data - i certainly give you a base to work with and would welcome them rather than guesswork stem bending and bovedas newest moisture shield technology endless hay smelling early jarring threads and rexently every newbie needs a cardboard box with a hole for ventilatio..

Its what i said about arguing less and learning more. So far either side of 40% -60% is some kind of fail - laughable

Good point. It's definitely seemingly odd to take so much care in controlling environmental conditions throughout the grow to suddenly stop taking the same care once you chop the plant. I think we all know that there are "workable conditions" and "ideal conditions". Why should someone give advice on only the marginally workable conditions, instead of suggesting ideal conditions?

 

[PJ Diaz]

Its what i said about arguing less and learning more. So far either side of 40% -60% is some kind of fail - laughable

I'll tell you it's not ideal, that's for sure. Additionally if you have the ability to control the range you absolutely should. You telling people it doesn't matter is bad advice, plain and simple. I don't need specific data to back that up either.

 

[Kingrow1]

You have lost me there and i fail to seecontradiction but....

You know how i know that shit bud does easily overdry,,,,? I was a noob once and observed the changes between bad or stressed grows and really great green till the end primo grown plants and the resultant hag dry.

You complain of high humidity yet forget air exchange has a much greater effect and with all this humidity hype weve yet to really delve into it in any great deal. Growers here have written how air exchange defeats humidity and it also forms the basis of why my whole tent dont mold out in higher humidities. Mold also needs a certain moisture level which rarely exists for long with air exchange.

People hear humidity and start rewriting physics - more at play

You assume too much. I don't use bodeva, nor do I jar too early. When necessary I do control my environment when drying to ideal conditions. I like to avoid things like molds and such which thrive where I'm at.

I must say I'm confused by your self-contradictions. Above you say, "Overly dry bud would crumble not compress". Yet you have said other things which seem to contradict that:






So it crumbles but dosn't turn to dust?.. Unless it's bad weed? I'm confused. How many different strains have you grown, by the way? There is a big difference between how a pure Indica vs pure Sativa will dry and store under similar conditions.

 

[Kassiopeija]

for longer than it takes to dry

then it is too dry this will stop some enzymatic processes and the cure is over. plants have amazing abilities to stay alive. alot of fruit gets ready even after later when fallen from the tree. But it needs WATER. W/O water Cannabis will always die quickly.
The flowers have not been pollinated in 8th week, this plant pushes all her last energy into the buds - regulated by hormones. These hormones are still present in the bud - they tell the bud to break down everything green (also chlorophyll) and convert it into bud. But you shouldn't interrupt this metabolism needs water, lower it as gently as be.
A proper cure will break down chlorophyll morw swift than your hard dry. And there is the situation with stronger evolving terpenes as well...

Those that fear overdrying and jar too early have zero.idea the extra stage and taste and smell development even exists

what shall I fear a handful of buds is not so overtly precious to me... always harddry for initial smoke of new strains. gosh should I really wait 3 months? a test alot along the way... so I can see by myself, how the stuff evolves. try different things, and that simply brought me to the point of doing a proper cure and I find Boveda packs an nobrainer. easy and helpful. its not only about the cure, also safe storage. its not so expensive because you can recharge it easily. one for each box, some reserve, done.

 

[PJ Diaz]

You have lost me there and i fail to seecontradiction but....

You know how i know that shit bud does easily overdry,,,,? I was a noob once and observed the changes between bad or stressed grows and really great green till the end primo grown plants and the resultant hag dry.

You complain of high humidity yet forget air exchange has a much greater effect and with all this humidity hype weve yet to really delve into it in any great deal. Growers here have written how air exchange defeats humidity and it also forms the basis of why my whole tent dont mold out in higher humidities. Mold also needs a certain moisture level which rarely exists for long with air exchange.

People hear humidity and start rewriting physics - more at play

Thank you, yes I have great airflow, which is why I don't get mold in my grow space during high RH conditions. Somehow the yard outside has wild berry bushes with PM, but my indoor plants nearby don't.

 

[Kingrow1]

No im simply telling peeps the no fail basics and providing the science to go with so they can progress without all the misinformation.

Were not commercial growers and the difference between your controlled bud and my knowledgable hang dry will be zilcho - its not superior as per the chemistry which dictates the end products will always be the same.

Google chlorophylls break down and then its finalfinal final end products.... We would have to be caltechthisshitup not rollitup to really discuss higher stuff but i can be aware of it without the relevant handfull of degrees and lab time and would ratber take for granted.

I'll tell you it's not ideal, that's for sure. Additionally if you have the ability to control the range you absolutely should. You telling people it doesn't matter is bad advice, plain and simple. I don't need specific data to back that up either.

 

[PJ Diaz]

No im simply telling peeps the no fail basics and providing the science to go with so they can progress without all the misinformation.

Were not commercial growers and the difference between your controlled bud and my knowledgable hang dry will be zilcho - its not superior as per the chemistry which dictates the end products will always be the same.

Google chlorophylls break down and then its finalfinal final end products.... We would have to be caltechthisshitup not rollitup to really discuss higher stuff but i can be aware of it without the relevant handfull of degrees and lab time and would ratber take for granted.

I don't need to google anything to know what my real world experience tells me. Real world experience has proven that better end product is achieved when there is a somewhat controlled environment from start to finish. It's really not open for debate. Come back to me in 10 years once you've figured out that you don't know everything still.

 

[Kassiopeija]

its not superior as per the chemistry which dictates the end products will always be the same.

as of today, science doesn't have all answers to everything a good smoke concerns. Some of this is mental, or subjective, like taste etc... some of this is nearly impossible to translate into chemical terms. too abstract.

 

[Kingrow1]

My house has many possible drying environments all year round vastly dictated for my love of human habitable levels - it wasnt hard to find a few places and hang there.....

If the inside of your house is a moldy damp state you.need to sort you life out not give drying advice

I don't need to google anything to know what my real world experience tells me. Real world experience has proven that better end product is achieved when there is a somewhat controlled environment from start to finish. It's really not open for debate. Come back to me in 10 years once you've figured out that you don't know everything still.