Can you use synthetic nutes in living soil?

VILEPLUME

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Can synthetic nutes be used in a living soil set up? Or will there be too much salt build up or other problems?
 

Renfro

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Why would you want to use salts in a living soil? I suppose if the soil is inadequate then just feed with salts and try the living soil next time.
 

Rider101

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There are lots of organic mined minerals that are made for soil.

https://www.growlights.ca/hydroponic-nutrients/general-organics.html

FYI the synthetic or chemical nutrients that are made for soil work better then their organic counterparts. What organic really means is the minerals have not been chemically refined to work better.

Its sad how many people believe organic means its not made from mined minerals.

 

VILEPLUME

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Thanks for the replies.


There are lots of organic mined minerals that are made for soil.

https://www.growlights.ca/hydroponic-nutrients/general-organics.html

FYI the synthetic or chemical nutrients that are made for soil work better then their organic counterparts. What organic really means is the minerals have not been chemically refined to work better.

Its sad how many people believe organic means its not made from mined minerals.

Its fine and until you reach hyper salination the soil will live on :-)
Now I’m more confused. Some say it’s ok, others say no. Has anyone ever tried it with success?
 

Kushash

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Thanks for the replies.






Now I’m more confused. Some say it’s ok, others say no. Has anyone ever tried it with success?
They can be used in the right situation.
If a soil is healthy there should be no need to use them.
They don't feed the microbes in the soil so why not feed the microbes instead. The plant obviously doesn't need synthetic ferts if healthy.
If a plant was deficient in a quality soil from getting water only and it takes a while for the dry amendments to kick in, then sure a one or two time application of synthetic nutes may help in that situation. Most likely a nitrogen deficiency would be a reason. If the plant needed magnesium give it some Epsom salt.
This would be up until early flowering a point where other deficiencies should not show up yet in most cases where the soil is healthy and the watering patterns are good IMO.

The question is, why do you want to use them instead of just feeding the soil?
 

Kingrow1

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You wont reach hyper salination using ferts, would need a much higher salt level than ferts.

Many years now we have mixed organic and chem and it works very very very well, some might say better than just organic or just chem.

Soil organisms are pretty hard and adapted to salt, if you fail it was for other reasons :-)



Thanks for the replies.






Now I’m more confused. Some say it’s ok, others say no. Has anyone ever tried it with success?
 

PJ Diaz

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The thing is, people try this "living soil" for container grows that are only about 3 months long. I'm of the opinion that living soil is really just for outdoor long term gardening.
 

BudmanTX

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The thing is, people try this "living soil" for container grows that are only about 3 months long. I'm of the opinion that living soil is really just for outdoor long term gardening.
really you can use both inside and outside.......the trick is re-supply of it nutrition during the transition....i always re-use my soils...so...
 

Ryante55

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Can synthetic nutes be used in a living soil set up? Or will there be too much salt build up or other problems?
It's fine it works better in most cases it fills in the gaps if your living soil isn't perfect. It's not going to kill everything in your soil if that was the case no one would ever get bugs. The people saying it doesn't work probably haven't tried
 

Ryante55

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The thing is, people try this "living soil" for container grows that are only about 3 months long. I'm of the opinion that living soil is really just for outdoor long term gardening.
You can keep soil alive outside and use it in the indoor garden imo it works better after cooking it for a while. But I only have a few organic grows I went back to hydro nutes it's easier cheaper and more consistent and I get just as many of not more complements on the flavor of hydro nute buds
 

Rider101

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if your soil is good, you won't need nutes......

good luck......
Yield from hydroponics beats soil every time. Yield from soil with extra fertilizes beats any organic soil you can make. If your soil is good and you have a shit load of it you will do fine but not as good as you would have with extra nutes.
 

VILEPLUME

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They can be used in the right situation.
If a soil is healthy there should be no need to use them.
They don't feed the microbes in the soil so why not feed the microbes instead. The plant obviously doesn't need synthetic ferts if healthy.
If a plant was deficient in a quality soil from getting water only and it takes a while for the dry amendments to kick in, then sure a one or two time application of synthetic nutes may help in that situation. Most likely a nitrogen deficiency would be a reason. If the plant needed magnesium give it some Epsom salt.
This would be up until early flowering a point where other deficiencies should not show up yet in most cases where the soil is healthy and the watering patterns are good IMO.

The question is, why do you want to use them instead of just feeding the soil?
Thanks for your reply. I bought synthetic nutes recently but I want to try living soil. Don’t want to waste the nutes if I can.
 

VILEPLUME

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Yield from hydroponics beats soil every time. Yield from soil with extra fertilizes beats any organic soil you can make. If your soil is good and you have a shit load of it you will do fine but not as good as you would have with extra nutes.
Thanks for the reply.

I thought living soil would yield more, thanks for clearing that up. I might just stick with using synthetic nutes.
 

BudmanTX

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Yield from hydroponics beats soil every time. Yield from soil with extra fertilizes beats any organic soil you can make. If your soil is good and you have a shit load of it you will do fine but not as good as you would have with extra nutes.
true, but i don't have to lug rez'a around, ck for algea, ppm my water, or any of that. All i do is plant in soil and water......done....

general re-use of soils, works in it's rotation, the soil u use inside moves outside, and the soil that is outside is cooked and ready to use inside....the only thing done is supplement what is lost from the previous grows......and also the financial impact is something as well.....u get to save a little money....
 
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