NFTG. Nectar For The Gods

[bubba73]

Dolomitic, granular. I’m going to start using more oyster so the soil doesn’t tighten up from the dolo. I don’t want to dote on my problems, I’ll make it ok enough but here it is my dude.

Gorilla Zkittlez, Barneys Farm
F35 (Start of week 6, I count from pistils)
1000w hps in a 4x4
One plant in fabric 7 gallon, one in solid 7 gallon
Daytime temp 72/77, Night 68
12/12
On late flower feeding schedule, Advanced

Slurries have been all over the map. Talked to Scott O and he advised me to feed a certain way for a time period and to keep a higher ph of 6.4, to compensate for the pro-mix. After I added the lime, it stabilized somewhat but the last slurry came back.
- Fabric pot: 6.9 ph, 395ppm
- Solid Pot: 7.5 ph, 660 ppm

So this feed tonight I did a Herc flush for the solid pot plant @ 5 TBL/gallon, along with 1 tsp/gal SLF-100, 2 TBL homemade lactobacillus, and .9 ml/gal of Mammoth P. I fed her 1.5 gallons to a ph of 6.4.

The fabric pot tonight I fed a normal late flower feed as per the higher end of the chart, along with my usual Green Planet supplements: Liquid W-8 (molasses), Terpinator and Massive (bloom boost). Adjusted feed to 6.4.

To be honest they aren’t doing too poorly, I don’t want to give that impression. I’m just a bit of a perfectionist and after running my last crop with Nectar, the results from using only a pro-mix (my idea to keep a more Nectar pure grow), have fallen flat. Also could still be the strain, as this is my first run with it. Thank you much for any insight my dudes!

I ran gorilla zkittlez last run .... 660 ppm I would do a herc flush till ppms drop and ph is inline , you got lock out going on and last thing you want is to add more of that stuff on top of it ....one of my runs (gorilla zkittlez )

 

[Flatrate]

Thanks for the replies guys, just trying to figure out if and when to add some new stuff to the mix.

 

[Imaginathan]

I ran gorilla zkittlez last run .... 660 ppm I would do a herc flush till ppms drop and ph is inline , you got lock out going on and last thing you want is to add more of that stuff on top of it ....one of my runs (gorilla zkittlez )

For sure, she got one tonight so I’m sure that’ll help bring it back down. Just not sure how to keep it stable from now on! I think the soil is better when it’s amended a bit, rather than a straight Pro-mix, that’s my theory anyways

 

[Imaginathan]

I ran gorilla zkittlez last run .... 660 ppm I would do a herc flush till ppms drop and ph is inline , you got lock out going on and last thing you want is to add more of that stuff on top of it ....one of my runs (gorilla zkittlez )

Beauty plant, how did you find her handling feeds? Finicky? She’s looking great in flower but she’s def left me scratching my head a few times lol

 

[IrieRoots]

ill use kraken till late flower , never used it for seedlings ... medusa , gaia , demeters , herc , zues for clone and seedlings ..... plug and seed soak will do zeus , dr root , slf , plug soak will be in Bigfoot and sprinkle dr root in plug hole and drop the seed .....

endo Mycorrizae & chitin are synergistic and protect the plant from pathogens, they work better when both are present. Plus it checks all the boxes for early root development- no high N, calcium & phos. I will do the first 2 - 3 bottle feeds with Gaia & Kraken plus fulvic acid as soon as the seed leaves start to fade. Then won't start early veg feeds till they show their ready to grow and shoots. I never got good results from zues in the early stages, as a seed soak or in early feeds, the humic and added minerals are just too potent & reactive for young seedlings that don't have a metabolism built up yet.The fulvic has worked better for me, its much more gentle and promotes fine root hairs/branching, and unlocks iron so it plays to the role of the chitin and fungi relationship in protecting the plant from pathogens, promoting a strong immune system.

 

[bubba73]

Beauty plant, how did you find her handling feeds? Finicky? She’s looking great in flower but she’s def left me scratching my head a few times lol

she was a bitch thats for sure.... she like the lower ppms ..she was a fight for sure... when I was 3 weeks out to finish I just went with the schedule and ran with it ..... here a pic of testers called lips ...zombiex kush ... these are much tamer .......last pic is rainy lady from thug pug genetics ...

 

[IrieRoots]

For sure, she got one tonight so I’m sure that’ll help bring it back down. Just not sure how to keep it stable from now on! I think the soil is better when it’s amended a bit, rather than a straight Pro-mix, that’s my theory anyways

Ammended is definitely more stable than straight promix, the added organic matter assists the buffering. So before you added the dolo granules, we're you fighting low ph? Cause usually promix with high ppms has a low ph, but your really not that high with the ppms.....that's nothing 30 ml of HERC or a Tea can't remedy. That ph is not going to stabalize in one or two waterings, being your so close to the finish, you may just want to feed at 6.2ish and just offset the high ph till ripening.

 

[Imaginathan]

Ammended is definitely more stable than straight promix, the added organic matter assists the buffering. So before you added the dolo granules, we're you fighting low ph? Cause usually promix with high ppms has a low ph, but your really not that high with the ppms.....that's nothing 30 ml of HERC or a Tea can't remedy. That ph is not going to stabalize in one or two waterings, being your so close to the finish, you may just want to feed at 6.2ish and just offset the high ph till ripening.

Did you see my previous post when you asked about the details? I listed everything there. Yeah I think I’m going to keep it at about that and just finish her as she has about 20 days to go.

 

[Imaginathan]

she was a bitch thats for sure.... she like the lower ppms ..she was a fight for sure... when I was 3 weeks out to finish I just went with the schedule and ran with it ..... here a pic of testers called lips ...zombiex kush ... these are much tamer .......last pic is rainy lady from thug pug genetics ...

That’s good to know she’s definitely tested my growing know how LOL! This line runs great with purple Kush which is what I had last crop

 

[bubba73]

Did you see my previous post when you asked about the details? I listed everything there. Yeah I think I’m going to keep it at about that and just finish her as she has about 20 days to go.

with 20 days to go ride it out .. these nutrients are not like salts and stay green longer .... with 20 days you got 4 maybe 6 feedings then its ripen time ... watch the "fall colors " come in ......she also looks a tad bit over watered too., but your pretty late in the game ...happy growing !!!

 

[IrieRoots]

2 weeks ago I mixed some fresh #4 with oneshot, castings, crab/kelp/alfalfa, oyster/gypsum, rock dust, char, barley & bokashi.....then transplanted directly into it......I have just been plain ph'd watering and done one cultured tea and at least 2 foliars a week. I'm pretty impressed so far, it's been a much needed break, havnt had to slurry or mix any bottles. Gonna start doing a weekly kelp/humic watering and prolly up my frequency of EZ teas. Will also topdress at flip....the plan is to only bottle feed once weekly during peak bloom as purely supplemental, with all base nutrition coming from soil mix/topdresses/teas. With no cook time on the soil mix, I'm hoping to get a longer delivery of slow release nutrition & more microbial reliance, compared to a 30 - 45ish day cook time that makes all the amendments way more soluble and available right out the gate. Should be a fun grow, the Homegrown Bokashi pots I have going are what encouraged me to do a nectar run more like a living soil. The growth, health, color, smell is very impressive......might try to mesh the two next run, Homegrown Nectarkashi!! If anyone interested in the soil recipe I'm using, just holler. Will know more in a month or so as to how much power the mix has in bloom.

 

[Focal Grows]

2 weeks ago I mixed some fresh #4 with oneshot, castings, crab/kelp/alfalfa, oyster/gypsum, rock dust, char, barley & bokashi.....then transplanted directly into it......I have just been plain ph'd watering and done one cultured tea and at least 2 foliars a week. I'm pretty impressed so far, it's been a much needed break, havnt had to slurry or mix any bottles. Gonna start doing a weekly kelp/humic watering and prolly up my frequency of EZ teas. Will also topdress at flip....the plan is to only bottle feed once weekly during peak bloom as purely supplemental, with all base nutrition coming from soil mix/topdresses/teas. With no cook time on the soil mix, I'm hoping to get a longer delivery of slow release nutrition & more microbial reliance, compared to a 30 - 45ish day cook time that makes all the amendments way more soluble and available right out the gate. Should be a fun grow, the Homegrown Bokashi pots I have going are what encouraged me to do a nectar run more like a living soil. The growth, health, color, smell is very impressive......might try to mesh the two next run, Homegrown Nectarkashi!! If anyone interested in the soil recipe I'm using, just holler. Will know more in a month or so as to how much power the mix has in bloom.

Sounds like a great mix you got going there Irie . Would you still be doing any Herc to allow the plants to crave the calcium? I have had great results in the past with gypsum, it is great at making minerals more available in the soil and the sulfur it adds brings out more depth in flavor profile of the finished product.

 

[Focal Grows]

Been a little busy lately but finally had a chance to shoot some photos of these girls finishing up. They are at week 7, and have been in ripening for a week and are showing some great coloring as they finish. Getting 2 Pebble Pies and a Gorilla Glue #4 ready for the next round to be grown In #4 soil and I am going to run Mega in flower to see if yield increases.

Pebble Pie #3



Tres Fighter #4

Tres Fighter #1

 

[IrieRoots]

Been a little busy lately but finally had a chance to shoot some photos of these girls finishing up. They are at week 7, and have been in ripening for a week and are showing some great coloring as they finish. Getting 2 Pebble Pies and a Gorilla Glue #4 ready for the next round to be grown In #4 soil and I am going to run Mega in flower to see if yield increases.

View attachment 4404638 Pebble Pie #3

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Mega gonna help will certain profiles, Herc is gonna push yields and of course pairing it with BK is where yields can be increased!!

Love the colors, lookin good!!

 

[IrieRoots]

Sounds like a great mix you got going there Irie . Would you still be doing any Herc to allow the plants to crave the calcium? I have had great results in the past with gypsum, it is great at making minerals more available in the soil and the sulfur it adds brings out more depth in flavor profile of the finished product.

Im going to incorporate some weekly bottle feeds eventually, but dont want the plants to become reliant on it. You said it, "CRAVE" the calcium!! That is exactly what happens with consistent nectar feeds, its all how the plants metabolism is developed & fostered. So Im hoping to keep the crave away and have the plant rely on a meal & microbe metabolism, with a low ppm weekly bottle feed.......perhaps just added to the Cultured Teas if possible. Ive pushed Nectar to the MAX in my grows, now I want to see the difference I get from the minimum use, like a supplemental no-till feed schedule.

 

[Focal Grows]

Im going to incorporate some weekly bottle feeds eventually, but dont want the plants to become reliant on it. You said it, "CRAVE" the calcium!! That is exactly what happens with consistent nectar feeds, its all how the plants metabolism is developed & fostered. So Im hoping to keep the crave away and have the plant rely on a meal & microbe metabolism, with a low ppm weekly bottle feed.......perhaps just added to the Cultured Teas if possible. Ive pushed Nectar to the MAX in my grows, now I want to see the difference I get from the minimum use, like a supplemental no-till feed schedule.

Right on brother, sounds good man I like the idea for sure. I imagine myself going to simpler regiment but feel I need to see what everything does and make decisions based on real world experience in my setup. I had some fantastic runs in some living soil that I only fed teas and water. I think you will kill it with weekly bumps of the "Additives" from NFTG, I can't wait to see the progression

 

[bubba73]

Right on brother, sounds good man I like the idea for sure. I imagine myself going to simpler regiment but feel I need to see what everything does and make decisions based on real world experience in my setup. I had some fantastic runs in some living soil that I only fed teas and water. I think you will kill it with weekly bumps of the "Additives" from NFTG, I can't wait to see the progression

I was like that for a little till I start reading the bottles and see im just doing the same with amendments , but I do like using Tims amendment soil and its simple , even using his super soil setup ... pretty simple and fools proof.... even now using amended soil I dont usually feed till late veg then bottles till finish and even then I mite do some bokashi and reuse the soil right away or let it cook.... I dont even use EWC , one shot has that in it ... and really im gonna do just one shot mix in my amended soil and let it cook , and when used just give teas .....

 

[kingzt]

Anyone use the calcium syrup or persephone palate, I guess what it's called now? I haven't seen a lot of reviews on yet but one that said it helped bring out the terps.

 

[IrieRoots]

I use it weeks 3 thru 6 flower as microbe food but I can't say whether it alone enhances anything because most all the bottles influence terps in different ways. I also use gypsum in my soil mixes and topdresses so its tough to say, I like it mainly as a molasses substitute for my setup.

 

[bubba73]

Anyone use the calcium syrup or persephone palate, I guess what it's called now? I haven't seen a lot of reviews on yet but one that said it helped bring out the terps.

palate = flavor , aroma .... as a microbial food , like irie said...... a chelating agent ....