I have no idea, please help

myke

myke

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Well most of not all plants in coco will need calmag. IME anyway.Some plants are just calmag hogs and can never get enough.
The woody stem thing is either strain. Or maybe your not watering enough. My coco plants look and feel like hydro plants. I water every day. I keep the pots small and only up pot 1 size so I can keep watering daily.Theres many ways to doit but that’s just what works for me. Good luck.
 
ninja1

ninja1

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myke said:
Well most of not all plants in coco will need calmag. IME anyway.Some plants are just calmag hogs and can never get enough.
The woody stem thing is either strain. Or maybe your not watering enough. My coco plants look and feel like hydro plants. I water every day. I keep the pots small and only up pot 1 size so I can keep watering daily.Theres many ways to doit but that’s just what works for me. Good luck.
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My mates running the same clones but his are growing as usual. I know it isn't just genetics because the stems look so thin as well. Usually they are growing so fast I'd be pinching them daily to top them. I have to admit I usually like to flip when they are drinking every day. At the moment they aren't though it's every 2-3 days.
 
myke

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I’ve been down that rabbit hole.
ninja1 said:
My mates running the same clones but his are growing as usual. I know it isn't just genetics because the stems look so thin as well. Usually they are growing so fast I'd be pinching them daily to top them. I have to admit I usually like to flip when they are drinking every day. At the moment they aren't though it's every 2-3 days.
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Is your coco different then his? More perlite less?
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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ninja1 said:
Do I really need all that mate? Seems a proper pain in the arse lol. Have grown for years and got away with just using canna a and b and some rhizotonic.
Not to sound rude but having to buy all that stuff I'd probably just bin the plants and start again. Buy some fem seeds and keep the ph pen on point. Just sounds a headache for a grow having to use so much stuff.

Gonna spray with the Epsom salts, feed with the correct ph. If the plants still look fucked I'd probably make a sacrifice with one first and flush it. Then start again with the nutes and see how that does. If fixes it will do the same with others. If not then ill be pissed off and take joy in ripping all the plants out and chucking them in the bin.
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no you dont but microbes and the kelp should be on hand imo and then the rest its not that much for never to have a deficiency or something else unless your lazy. and it isnt for these plants or it could be ...you dont have to bin anything
 
ninja1

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myke said:
I’ve been down that rabbit hole.

Is your coco different then his? More perlite less?
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Both using the same coco, we even bought it from the same place at the same time. I'm just thinking must have been my ph pen being out. Hoping with it correct now they improve. Also the Epsom salts for the mag deficiency.

By the way how often should I use the Epsom salts as a spray? I am sure I read online every 3 days or something? Does anyone know?
 
ninja1

ninja1

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Bernie420 said:
no you dont but microbes and the kelp should be on hand imo and then the rest its not that much for never to have a deficiency or something else unless your lazy. and it isnt for these plants or it could be ...you dont have to bin anything
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I will look into them mate, sorry if it come across as rude. Honestly grateful for your advice and you've proper taken the time to help me. If this Epsom salts does the job, get me a safe address or something and I'd happily buy you a packet of seeds. Just to say thanks.

The reason I'm sort of against the idea is I've never had to use any of that stuff before and like it all kept simple. Grown for years now and been alright so far. Have hit gpw once and usually only a few grams off anyway.

How often should I spray the plants with the Epsom salts mate? Know it'll take a few days to see if its had the desired effect.
 
ninja1

ninja1

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I hope I don't jinx it lol, I can't say they are cured as its too early to say. What I will say though is I just gave half of them a watering. With the ph pen having been recalibrated and the plants are looking happier. I know it sounds silly to say a happy plant lol . They aren't up and loving life but yeah to me they are looking like they have more life in them. Usually see the growth after a watering after the lights out period. Fingers crossed tomorrow the lights come on and they have improved even more so. To the point where the red stem and thin woody branches have gone away. Will update tomorrow, big thanks to Bernie and everyone else for the help. Appreciate it.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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switch brands recently? or perhaps the company you buy from decided to quit charging their coco. the better brands of coco makers will add calcium and magnesium (they're tied together, calcium is like the catalyst a plant needs to utilize magnesium) so that the natural "deficit" the coco has has already been taken care of by the time you use it. if it hasn't been charged, it will absorb the majority of the magnesium in your feed until all those open receptors are filled, then it stops absorbing it and it becomes much more readily available to the plant. try soaking the next batch you're going to use in some 250-300 ppm cal mag before you use it...
 
ninja1

ninja1

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
switch brands recently? or perhaps the company you buy from decided to quit charging their coco. the better brands of coco makers will add calcium and magnesium (they're tied together, calcium is like the catalyst a plant needs to utilize magnesium) so that the natural "deficit" the coco has has already been taken care of by the time you use it. if it hasn't been charged, it will absorb the majority of the magnesium in your feed until all those open receptors are filled, then it stops absorbing it and it becomes much more readily available to the plant. try soaking the next batch you're going to use in some 250-300 ppm cal mag before you use it...
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Have used the same brand since day 1, canna coco.
Would this deficiency be able to be the cause of the thin woody branches? I know its not genetics, it's not growing right. I'd know it wasn't right even if my mates same clones wasn't growing fine. Plus his using the same coco we bought it at the same time from local grow shop.
Fingers crossed now the ph is sorted they pick up. Plus a few days for the Epsom salts to kick in. If not then been advised to flush and start things off again. They did look happier yesterday, not saying they are cured yet but yeah certainly happier looking than they have been in terms of perky leaves. Gives me a bit more confidence of them being able to be fixed.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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ninja1 said:
Have used the same brand since day 1, canna coco.
Would this deficiency be able to be the cause of the thin woody branches? I know its not genetics, it's not growing right. I'd know it wasn't right even if my mates same clones wasn't growing fine. Plus his using the same coco we bought it at the same time from local grow shop.
Fingers crossed now the ph is sorted they pick up. Plus a few days for the Epsom salts to kick in. If not then been advised to flush and start things off again. They did look happier yesterday, not saying they are cured yet but yeah certainly happier looking than they have been in terms of perky leaves. Gives me a bit more confidence of them being able to be fixed.
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it could be, different deficiencies manifest in different ways. nutrients effect each other, a deficiency of one nutrient can cause the plant to have trouble metabolizing several others, which can cause a cascading waterfall of fucked up....
take care of the ph problem first, add a little cal mag, and see what happens. it's never fun to lose a plant, save it if you can, but be prepared to cut loses and move on if you can't
 
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