Which would you grow first? (Poll)

[Budley Doright]

Never planned to run autos but ran into a problem with last grow.
Plants are from a monster crop on my last grow. Had a few a month into flower.
Shit happend (long story, not a growing issue) and I lost my plants.

Heres a pick of what's left of my stash and where my other MC plants are at, so I'm sure you can see why I'm trying autos

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Not trying to discourage you but I guess it sounds like it . I tell everyone to try anything yourself and don’t take my word lol. I wish you all the luck in the world and keep us posted. Yes your getting low lol. I try not to let my stash get below .5lb .

 

[.Smoke]

OK that sounds good. With that much light and plenty of basement space, I reckon you're crazy doing this in soil. I'm using LED but otherwise a fairly similar set up but instead of pot it's hydro, not the DWC stuff you see but similar. Perhaps you should think of doing one it would blow your mind seeing them side by side.




A decent what, auto? What is are your criteria for 'decent'?

Yeah I got lucky with the space. New place has about 25'x25' usable growing room (only grow for myself though so won't ever be full) with Geothermal ac/heat. Couldn't ask for a better space.

I am hoping to run Hydo at some point. I just started growing this year and with trying to figure everything out Hydro just seemed to complicated atm. But God knows one day I want that hydro yeild!
Still trying to find a decently cheap DIY setup to run.
Hell, even considered trying Hempy at some point.

***Edit***
I did however just find this little beauty. So Hydro may come sooner than later

https://hydrobuilder.com/hydroponics/complete-hydroponic-grow-systems/deep-water-culture/active-aqua-5-gallon-4-bucket-system.htm

 

[Budley Doright]

A decent what, auto? What is are your criteria for 'decent'?

Yes auto lol, my criteria is getting high . I’m old and quite picky . By picky I mean immune lol

 

[yummy fur]

@.Smoke, right. This is why I asked, that's four bucket thing is exactly the sort of hydro you do not want. How difficult does this sound... 3 tubs, 1 x 6W water pump, and a foot or two of tubing. That is it. Check out my DIY shallow water culture grow. Soil is just a bag of hurt, and when you have the space as you do, it's virtually screaming out for hydro, but not that crap you linked to. I wouldn't use the big square tubs in my DIY grow, better with the smaller specially designed pro pots from https://www.nutrifield.us/products/pro-pot-system-15-27l/ I just use the three tubs not any of their other stuff. The bottom tub is not even a tub it's just a stand, it's really just two 15L tubs one inside the other. It took me about a year before I fully understood that most chatter concerning growing dope is just that, chatter.

A set up like mine cannot get any easier, soil just adds so many unknown variables that I'd only ever use soil if I had to, i.e. I didn't have the space. You've also got the space for an external 30L tubs for the reservoir. Nothing to stop you having five pro pots all draining into the same larger reservoir. However the way autos are so individual, if you just want to get ripped and have fun then do each one separate. I also only grow for myself.

If you've got the space then..., you will *not* get roots like this in a DWC hey look ma, no air stone necessary!

Yes auto lol, my criteria is getting high . I’m old and quite picky . By picky I mean immune lol

Yeah, I'm still pining for the real Thai 'buddha sticks' we'd get in the 70's. Well all I can say is that autos are as strong as anything I've ever seen.

 

[Fishface1977]

My experience with autos is that they are very weak in the medical dept

 

[.Smoke]

@.Smoke, right. This is why I asked, that's four bucket thing is exactly the sort of hydro you do not want. How difficult does this sound... 3 tubs, 1 x 6W water pump, and a foot or two of tubing. That is it. Check out my DIY shallow water culture grow. Soil is just a bag of hurt, and when you have the space as you do, it's virtually screaming out for hydro, but not that crap you linked to. I wouldn't use the big square tubs in my DIY grow, better with the smaller specially designed pro pots from https://www.nutrifield.us/products/pro-pot-system-15-27l/ I just use the three tubs not any of their other stuff. The bottom tub is not even a tub it's just a stand, it's really just two 15L tubs one inside the other. It took me about a year before I fully understood that most chatter concerning growing dope is just that, chatter.

A set up like mine cannot get any easier, soil just adds so many unknown variables that I'd only ever use soil if I had to, i.e. I didn't have the space. You've also got the space for an external 30L tubs for the reservoir. Nothing to stop you having five pro pots all draining into the same larger reservoir. However the way autos are so individual, if you just want to get ripped and have fun then do each one separate. I also only grow for myself.

If you've got the space then...View attachment 4398437, you will *not* get roots like this in a DWC View attachment 4398439 hey look ma, no air stone necessary! View attachment 4398441



Yeah, I'm still pining for the real Thai 'buddha sticks' we'd get in the 70's. Well all I can say is that autos are as strong as anything I've ever seen.

Nice setup and great advice. Will definitely look into doing a diy.
What's your GPM rate on the water pumps?

 

[PURPLEB3RRYKUSH]

Never planned to run autos but ran into a problem with last grow.
Plants are from a monster crop on my last grow. Had a few a month into flower.
Shit happend (long story, not a growing issue) and I lost my plants.

Heres a pick of what's left of my stash and where my other MC plants are at, so I'm sure you can see why I'm trying autos

View attachment 4398159 View attachment 4398162

Why they all mutilated, bad drainage?

 

[.Smoke]

Why they all mutilated, bad drainage?

The were clones from a monster crop. Fairly normal from what I've been told for the first leaf set or so to have mutations from forcing them back into veg.

 

[PURPLEB3RRYKUSH]

The were clones from a monster crop. Fairly normal from what I've been told for the first leaf set or so to have mutations from forcing them back into veg.

Totally normal thought they were from seed

 

[Budley Doright]

@.Smoke, right. This is why I asked, that's four bucket thing is exactly the sort of hydro you do not want. How difficult does this sound... 3 tubs, 1 x 6W water pump, and a foot or two of tubing. That is it. Check out my DIY shallow water culture grow. Soil is just a bag of hurt, and when you have the space as you do, it's virtually screaming out for hydro, but not that crap you linked to. I wouldn't use the big square tubs in my DIY grow, better with the smaller specially designed pro pots from https://www.nutrifield.us/products/pro-pot-system-15-27l/ I just use the three tubs not any of their other stuff. The bottom tub is not even a tub it's just a stand, it's really just two 15L tubs one inside the other. It took me about a year before I fully understood that most chatter concerning growing dope is just that, chatter.

A set up like mine cannot get any easier, soil just adds so many unknown variables that I'd only ever use soil if I had to, i.e. I didn't have the space. You've also got the space for an external 30L tubs for the reservoir. Nothing to stop you having five pro pots all draining into the same larger reservoir. However the way autos are so individual, if you just want to get ripped and have fun then do each one separate. I also only grow for myself.

If you've got the space then...View attachment 4398437, you will *not* get roots like this in a DWC View attachment 4398439 hey look ma, no air stone necessary! View attachment 4398441



Yeah, I'm still pining for the real Thai 'buddha sticks' we'd get in the 70's. Well all I can say is that autos are as strong as anything I've ever seen.

I do t like DWC either but when dialed in I’ve seen some amazing grows, not sure about the “you’ll never see roots like this” statement. What auto’s have you grown that were as strong as anything you’ve seen?

 

[yummy fur]

Nice setup and great advice. Will definitely look into doing a diy.
What's your GPM rate on the water pumps?

The metric that matters for me is the head height. I was using the smallest 6.5W pump with a head height of 85cm but I to the next size up which is 8W and a head height of 1 metre it was just as quiet but gave me that little extra safety margin. The distance from the bottom of the res to the top of the clay is about 60cm.

I keep everything to the absolute minimal complication. For example I figure things like this, if you have to add an air stone to your hydro set up then there must be something wrong with the set up, it's like a crutch. Better to work out what the problem is and solve it, which is what I did. That's why the 15L of clay pebbles they have that little bit extra quality with their porous grippy surface and air filled cavities, they continually suck air down.

But you have discussions about air stones and hydrogen peroxide and all sorts of other tricks and 'tips' about how to avoid root rot and what to do and it goes on an on and that's just one little bit of the hydro verbiage, and it's all completely unnecessary. Like many other things, Cal/Mag it's already in the nutes, you don't need any more, if anyone does genuinely need it then once again, there's something wrong with the set up.

 

[yummy fur]

I do t like DWC either but when dialed in I’ve seen some amazing grows, not sure about the “you’ll never see roots like this” statement. What auto’s have you grown that were as strong as anything you’ve seen?

Strong in what way?

The reason I say that about the roots is that the DW in DWC is not a good medium for that type of tree branching root development. No so important with photoperiod but with autos a solid root structure allows all the other high stress stuff they need.

Even a normal DWC bucket thing you see is inferior to a large 15L pot filled with clay pellets and sitting directly on the lid of a 25L reservoir, with a tiny pump top feeding. That's the ultimate simple hydro set up, it's the cheapest and the easiest and it absolutely will smoke a DWC.

 

[yummy fur]

In fact now that I think about it, a DWC bucket is a bit like a refrigeroaster, which is what was used to describe the Surface tablet. Not quite the same but the DWC is trying to combine the reservoir with the pot. And it doesn't do either of them very well.

It doesn't do the pot well because water doesn't give any structure, and even worse it doesn't do the reservoir right because that needs to be easily accessible so you can tinker without disturbing the plant. When they do invent a refrigeroaster you can be sure the toast will always be too cold.

 

[Budley Doright]

Strong in what way?

The reason I say that about the roots is that the DW in DWC is not a good medium for that type of tree branching root development. No so important with photoperiod but with autos a solid root structure allows all the other high stress stuff they need.

Even a normal DWC bucket thing you see is inferior to a large 15L pot filled with clay pellets and sitting directly on the lid of a 25L reservoir, with a tiny pump top feeding. That's the ultimate simple hydro set up, it's the cheapest and the easiest and it absolutely will smoke a DWC.

Well your the one that used the term strong. It typically means the ability to get you high lol. I’ve only grown about 30 auto’s and only two have been just ok. But I’m still trying new ones so what ones would you say offered the best high be it relaxing or uplifting?

 

[Lucky Luke]

Sounded like in your first post you said plant 5 and maybe you will harvest 1. That would mean the rate that the plants made it to harvest. Aka 1 out of 5 would be a 20% successful harvest rate for amount of plants planted.

Possibly a bit of jumbled words on my part, but it was almost 3 a.m.

And I will say if only 1 outta 5 turns out to be worth a shit, this will definitely be the one and only time I try autos.
Just needed a quick turnaround this time.

I did i think 10 autos last season. Of those only a few were worth the effort both in yield and smoke.
Autos have their place (not sure if ILGM is the place to buy any seeds) but if its just time ur worried about their are some very quick Photos about now. Chem Fuego (luckydogseedco??) is 46 days for eg.

 

[yummy fur]

Well your the one that used the term strong. It typically means the ability to get you high lol. I’ve only grown about 30 auto’s and only two have been just ok. But I’m still trying new ones so what ones would you say offered the best high be it relaxing or uplifting?

Yeah I didn't know if you were talking about the strength of the plant or the strength of the weed. Got it.