Useful Seeds

[curious2garden]

@Useful Seeds Sunshine Daydream is my desert island/if you could only have one smoke strain. I have a particular back pain it wipes out, and then there's the high thing! Since it seems Bodhi's stash is finally gone... is there any chance of cajoling you into making some S1's?

I've tried a couple of times with STS, but both were major fails, and I don't know if the third time's the charm, or just plain stupid, lol!

It seems you haven't played with it, any reason?

I have a pack (ok, a couple!) I'd donate to the cause.

Add some AgNO3 to your STS and start spraying daily 2 weeks prior to flip. That works for me. Do not smoke/vape/ingest any part of a plant sprayed.
hth

 

[Frank Nitty]

Im still in silent observation... How's everyone doing???

 

[sdd420]

About to start some useful in a month probably chem Cookies trip and phantom cookies x orange cookies

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Add some AgNO3 to your STS and start spraying daily 2 weeks prior to flip. That works for me. Do not smoke/vape/ingest any part of a plant sprayed.
hth

I thought with sts you only had to spray plant once before or right at flip and then 1 more time a little later?

@CoB_nUt didn't you say your goofy grape was only sprayed twice using sts?

Now with CS you got spray 1-2 weeks prior and continue till you see balls form.

Just curious and mean no offense.

 

[curious2garden]

I thought with sts you only had to spray plant once before or right at flip and then 1 more time a little later?

@CoB_nUt didn't you say your goofy grape was only sprayed twice using sts?

Now with CS you got spray 1-2 weeks prior and continue till you see balls form.

Just curious and mean no offense.

Absolutely no offense taken I think it's just a misunderstanding. To me STS means Sodium Thiosulfate. If you mean silver thiosulfate then we are talking the same thing. I'm just not used to referring to it that way. If it's not working up the amount of silver in the solution is the answer.

 

[CoB_nUt]

I thought with sts you only had to spray plant once before or right at flip and then 1 more time a little later?

@CoB_nUt didn't you say your goofy grape was only sprayed twice using sts?

Now with CS you got spray 1-2 weeks prior and continue till you see balls form.

Just curious and mean no offense.

I sprayed the entire plant day of flip and sprizted the nodes 7-9 days later. This was goofy grape and my jelly pie. They turned just fine and had pollen to give at the time their clone sisters started budding. Could be Schwaggy's formula and ratio that had them turn so quickly.

I have 2 other plants same strain, I sprayed 3 times. It delayed formation and maturity of the sacs as to where they are JUST NOW maturing. These were seed plants and weren't quite mature.Could be a reason as well.

I have seen it suggested to spray at different times..i.e. prior to flip,but I went with the method I saw work,being that this was my first time using STS. I THINK it has a few different variables to get the desired or expected results. STS strength,reversal donor age,spray schedule etc.
With CS, I sprayed everyday 2x a day until first sac appeared. STS is much much easier IMO.

 

[CoB_nUt]

@Useful Seeds Sunshine Daydream is my desert island/if you could only have one smoke strain. I have a particular back pain it wipes out, and then there's the high thing! Since it seems Bodhi's stash is finally gone... is there any chance of cajoling you into making some S1's?

I've tried a couple of times with STS, but both were major fails, and I don't know if the third time's the charm, or just plain stupid, lol!

It seems you haven't played with it, any reason?

I have a pack (ok, a couple!) I'd donate to the cause.

Schwaggy P has a detailed write-up on the making and use of STS for reversal.
I am from the CS camp. I tried his method to the T. It worked for me as it did him. Almost too damn well...
Here's a link. The write-up is towards the bottom
https://www.rollitup.org/t/schwaggy-ps-random-stuff.981386/page-33

 

[curious2garden]

I sprayed the entire plant day of flip and sprizted the nodes 7-9 days later. This was goofy grape and my jelly pie. They turned just fine and had pollen to give at the time their clone sisters started budding. Could be Schwaggy's formula and ratio that had them turn so quickly.

I have 2 other plants same strain, I sprayed 3 times. It delayed formation and maturity of the sacs as to where they are JUST NOW maturing. These were seed plants and weren't quite mature.Could be a reason as well.

I have seen it suggested to spray at different times..i.e. prior to flip,but I went with the method I saw work,being that this was my first time using STS. I THINK it has a few different variables to get the desired or expected results. STS strength,reversal donor age,spray schedule etc.
With CS, I sprayed everyday 2x a day until first sac appeared. STS is much much easier IMO.

Some strains reverse easily has been my experience. However some are more resistant. I had to up my silver nitrate ratio in my sts solution by about 400% to get the most recent recalcitrant strain to reverse.

 

[curious2garden]

Schwaggy P has a detailed write-up on the making and use of STS for reversal.
I am from the CS camp. I tried his method to the T. It worked for me as it did him. Almost too damn well...
Here's a link. The write-up is towards the bottom
https://www.rollitup.org/t/schwaggy-ps-random-stuff.981386/page-33

Yup about 1/2 way down he states that you may have to use less water LOL I also use it more frequently. That can help you over the hump with the recalcitrant girls.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Some strains reverse easily has been my experience. However some are more resistant. I had to up my silver nitrate ratio in my sts solution by about 400% to get the most recent recalcitrant strain to reverse.

Hello curious2garden. In your experience does spraying STS solution too much cause delayed reversal,or is it just what you've stated and the strain in more resistant to change?
Also, have you experienced some buds sites changing or reversing while others still have stigma developing? I ask because, I had it happen on one of the aforementioned plants. Some branches changed and some didn't,hence me spraying a 3rd time.
Now all those sites that had stigma have maybe 3-6 surrounded by sacs.
And where the hell do the stigma go?! Lol it's like they disappear and male parts appear.
With CS I see them die or wither and then change. None of that with the soulution.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Yup about 1/2 way down he states that you may have to use less water LOL I also use it more frequently. That can help you over the hump with the recalcitrant girls.

Yup! I like how I can make small batches.Just enough to spray/spritz a few solo cup clones and plants in 1gal fabric pots.

Thank you for responding. Data points collected. I may tweak the ratio here and there if I run into another "fighter".
I still have the stock solutions from this recipe in hydrogen peroxide bottles in the fridge.
That little batch made way more stock solution than I need for now. I'm actually done reversing for a while.
How long will it keep in said conditions?

 

[curious2garden]

Hello curious2garden. In your experience does spraying STS solution too much cause delayed reversal,or is it just what you've stated and the strain in more resistant to change?
Also, have you experienced some buds sites changing or reversing while others still have stigma developing? I ask because, I had it happen on one of the aforementioned plants. Some branches changed and some didn't,hence me spraying a 3rd time.
Now all those sites that had stigma have maybe 3-6 surrounded by sacs.
And where the hell do the stigma go?! Lol it's like they disappear and male parts appear.
With CS I see them die or wither and then change. None of that with the soulution.

No it doesn't delay it, the weaker it is the longer it can take to turn it if at all. Essentially I had to run several tables of GG#4 until I got her to reverse each time increasing the AgNO3. Finally 400% and she fully reversed.

When I've experienced some bud sites changing and others not it usually means I've been uneven in spraying (operator error LOL ie don't spray when high).

I never thought about what happens with the stigma. I assumed they shriveled and dropped. I've never used colloidal silver so I can't speak to that. I've only used silver nitrate kept in solution via sodium thiosulfate. So the silver nitrate's the thing to badly paraphrase Shakespeare.

Edited to add: The sodium thiosulfate is also a ligand, keeping the ion less reactive to various bio chemicals and keeps its ethylene binding capacity intact

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Some great info, thanks @curious2garden and @CoB_nUt

 

[CoB_nUt]

My apologies for the derail @Useful Seeds. I take knowledge any where I can get it.

However, I did drop 2 each the
Tranquil Chocolate
H.A.O.G x Choc D
Gelato45 x Choc D testers.

They all germinated and are above ground. Gonna toss'em in a flood and drain tote and let'em rip!
Sadly,I had to part ways with my other H.A.O.G xChoc D girls. They got way too big,didn't want to cut them back nor will I ever cull healthy gals,so a buddy came down and snagged 'em while he was in town. They'll be well taken care of. Unfortunately he's a hermit and the only way I'll get to see them flower is to drive out.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Some great info, thanks @curious2garden and @CoB_nUt

Curious is always dropping jewels. I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask and collect some myself.

You're welcome Eso.

 

[curious2garden]

Yup! I like how I can make small batches.Just enough to spray/spritz a few solo cup clones and plants in 1gal fabric pots.

Thank you for responding. Data points collected. I may tweak the ratio here and there if I run into another "fighter".
I still have the stock solutions from this recipe in hydrogen peroxide bottles in the fridge.
That little batch made way more stock solution than I need for now. I'm actually done reversing for a while.
How long will it keep in said conditions?

The separate stock solutions can be stored indefinitely and the mixed solution responds to light and heat. I only mix enough for a reversing run and then throw out the left over.

@Useful Seeds sorry about the hijack.....

 

[curious2garden]

Curious is always dropping jewels. I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask and collect some myself.

Your're welcome Eso.

You are far to kind! It's always enjoyable to talk with reasonable peeps.
Good luck on your new babies

 

[CoB_nUt]

No it doesn't delay it, the weaker it is the longer it can take to turn it if at all. Essentially I had to run several tables of GG#4 until I got her to reverse each time increasing the AgNO3. Finally 400% and she fully reversed.

When I've experienced some bud sites changing and others not it usually means I've been uneven in spraying (operator error LOL ie don't spray when high).

I never thought about what happens with the stigma. I assumed they shriveled and dropped. I've never used colloidal silver so I can't speak to that. I've only used silver nitrate kept in solution via sodium thiosulfate. So the silver nitrate's the thing to badly paraphrase Shakespeare.

Edited to add: The sodium thiosulfate is also a ligand, keeping the ion less reactive to various bio chemicals and keeps its ethylene binding capacity intact

Thank you. I had some fighters on my hands. I thought I screwed up. I'm known for operator error. Glad it WAS my fault. Nailed it. High when spraying is a no go!

Last question. I promise. Have you found some sacs don't really open? The "nanners" inside don't open and release. Yet, they have a nice amount of pollen in them once broken or stuck with a pin and tapped. They don't burst per-say like true males do of course.
Like my goofy grape, it's pollen is easily maneuvered and dumped onto my collection glass. Once tapped the sacs open up easily. Whereas the other plant in question has mature pods that just get hard but never really split.

I know I am not using the correct terminology,my apologies. The "nanners" are inside of the lil flower pods that hold them.

 

[CoB_nUt]

The separate stock solutions can be stored indefinitely and the mixed solution responds to light and heat. I only mix enough for a reversing run and then throw out the left over.

@Useful Seeds sorry about the hijack.....

Thank you. Yes, I made 75ml batches everytime. Good to know I have stock on deck when needed. They are separate.

You are far to kind! It's always enjoyable to talk with reasonable peeps.
Good luck on your new babies

Thank you! I share the sentiment. Thank you for vibes for the babies.

*corrected.

 

[curious2garden]

Thank you. I had some fighters on my hands. I thought I screwed up. I'm known for operator error. Glad it WAS my fault. Nailed it. High when spraying is a no go!

Last question. I promise. Have you found some sacs don't really open? The "nanners" inside don't open and release. Yet, they have a nice amount of pollen in them once broken or stuck with a pin and tapped. They don't burst per-say like true males do of course.
Like my goofy grape, it's pollen is easily maneuvered and dumped onto my collection glass. Once tapped the sacs open up easily. Whereas the other plant in question has mature pods that just get hard but never really split.

I know I am not using the correct terminology,my apologies. The "nanners" are inside of the lil flower pods that hold them.

Honestly no. When I reverse I don't collect pollen. I just reverse one plant and shake him hard over all the other plants on the table and I just continue shaking him over everybody daily for a week or so. So I'm doing an entire room. I've never noticed whether any of the pollen sacs stay closed. As long as they puff smoke I'm happy.