Morugas new Grow . 1st Journal

[H.A.F.]

she's 37 days , no gnats , maybe bumped up nutes to soon ? I've had it on my super hot peppers but don't remember what it is .
what did you do ? and I just watered/fed last night . should I wait let her dry out ? then flush

If you recall, what I did was spend a month or more trying to nurse them to harvest with almost no leaves left...

If you just fed, and there is the likelihood that this is nute-burn from 2 weeks ago, maybe flush away what you just did?

Have they even been soaked yet? I was glancing at my seedlings history and they got their first watering at about 3 weeks other than spray bottle stuff. First feeding was at about 5 weeks, and only about 25% of what it called for for seedlings. If you have good bagged soil remember that it has nutes for about a month or more. More if you don't have a lot of light.

 

[H.A.F.]

Get a pic of the whole plant and I'll give you my best guess, but I'm not the go-to on this stuff.

 

[morugawelder]

If you recall, what I did was spend a month or more trying to nurse them to harvest with almost no leaves left...

If you just fed, and there is the likelihood that this is nute-burn from 2 weeks ago, maybe flush away what you just did?

Have they even been soaked yet? I was glancing at my seedlings history and they got their first watering at about 3 weeks other than spray bottle stuff. First feeding was at about 5 weeks, and only about 25% of what it called for for seedlings. If you have good bagged soil remember that it has nutes for about a month or more. More if you don't have a lot of light.

I fed them 1 tsp.cal-mag, 1 tsp. grow big ( f.f. ) 1 tsp. big bloom , 1/8 tsp. mycos root inoculant last feeding 2 days ago ,
prior they were half but instead of the big bloom I used 1/2 mil. mammoth p . and a full soaking . for about 2 weeks now .
maybe I should do a flush , let her dry out good , eh ? maybe only feed every other watering ?
but this is the same schedule I've done before . feed every watering but half of what bottle says .

 

[H.A.F.]

I fed them 1 tsp.cal-mag, 1 tsp. grow big ( f.f. ) 1 tsp. big bloom , 1/8 tsp. mycos root inoculant last feeding 2 days ago ,
prior they were half but instead of the big bloom I used 1/2 mil. mammoth p . and a full soaking . for about 2 weeks now .
View attachment 4375732 View attachment 4375733 maybe I should do a flush , let her dry out good , eh ? maybe only feed every other watering ?
but this is the same schedule I've done before . feed every watering but half of what bottle says .

Overall it doesn't look bad. Hot in there? Here's all the wisdom I can offer, but I have no clue what the issue is. This is mainly "standard practices" I have figured out trial and error or by other people teaching.

A couple of safe things would be to dim the lights a bit. I think that heat and light will amplify whatever is going on. Keep the temps below 80 too.

If you are going to leave something out of the feeding, keep the Big Bloom. That is the only organic one of the trio, the only one I still use, and it is really low in the NPK - so it is NOT the source of your problem unless you are feeding a lot. Not sure about the others you mentioned.

They don't need much food - especially in veg - unless you are vegging a monster for a long time. Your plant just really doesn't have much to feed yet. Adding more food doesn't make them grow quicker, and I think signs that they are hungry are easier to pick up on than trying to figure out what you're killing them with. I've tried lots of ways...

The feeding charts are based on "X" amount of light - usually 1000 for easy math. If you don't have 1000w use that to figure your percentage-feed instead of a random 50% or something. I have about 250w so I have been using 25%, and it seems OK. with the new system I won't be able to tell until the seedlings mature. The clones have been getting it, but they are not normal. I think flower-clones drink more, faster.

Also figure out how much to water. For a 3 gallon pot, 3/4 to 1 gallon will soak the pot, 1 1/2 to 2 will give you good run-off. But if you feed with 2 gallons at whatever %, how much extra stays in there instead of running off? If you ran 5 gallons through, would it be 5 times worse? I don't know for sure, but it seems like the soil would keep more nutes. So I feed with 1 gallon, and use either 1.5 or 2 to water with between feeds. And I base when they get fed next on the run-off ppm.

 

[morugawelder]

Overall it doesn't look bad. Hot in there? Here's all the wisdom I can offer, but I have no clue what the issue is. This is mainly "standard practices" I have figured out trial and error or by other people teaching.

A couple of safe things would be to dim the lights a bit. I think that heat and light will amplify whatever is going on. Keep the temps below 80 too.

If you are going to leave something out of the feeding, keep the Big Bloom. That is the only organic one of the trio, the only one I still use, and it is really low in the NPK - so it is NOT the source of your problem unless you are feeding a lot. Not sure about the others you mentioned.

They don't need much food - especially in veg - unless you are vegging a monster for a long time. Your plant just really doesn't have much to feed yet. Adding more food doesn't make them grow quicker, and I think signs that they are hungry are easier to pick up on than trying to figure out what you're killing them with. I've tried lots of ways...

The feeding charts are based on "X" amount of light - usually 1000 for easy math. If you don't have 1000w use that to figure your percentage-feed instead of a random 50% or something. I have about 250w so I have been using 25%, and it seems OK. with the new system I won't be able to tell until the seedlings mature. The clones have been getting it, but they are not normal. I think flower-clones drink more, faster.

Also figure out how much to water. For a 3 gallon pot, 3/4 to 1 gallon will soak the pot, 1 1/2 to 2 will give you good run-off. But if you feed with 2 gallons at whatever %, how much extra stays in there instead of running off? If you ran 5 gallons through, would it be 5 times worse? I don't know for sure, but it seems like the soil would keep more nutes. So I feed with 1 gallon, and use either 1.5 or 2 to water with between feeds. And I base when they get fed next on the run-off ppm.

Sounds good , think I'll cut the grow big out and reduce feeding to 1/2 tsp. and feed every other water , temps been about 75 to 77 ,
I have the 2 - 260 quantum boards , 4 x 4 tent , I raised the lights up all the way , dialed them down a tad . But I did flush them this morning before lights kicked off . Hopefully it all works !
thanks ,

 

[morugawelder]

my ladies are coming along nicely , getting some serious stalkage Some massive fans on the fruity pebbles x alien cherry ,
about 37 days old ,

 

[morugawelder]

The ladies are coming right along , 39 days old , waiting for clones to show roots then flip time ! woohoo !,
Big ol' knuckles on the Slurricane ,
The Girls ,
A GROUP PHOTO ! .
I forgot , Thinned them down a little last night , they were bushy as shit ! removed some lower worthless stuff , Tonight they look like they loved the haircuts !

 

[morugawelder]

So I got to become really good long distance friends with a Bean Broker , who like Super Hot sauces and pepper powders ,
Well I by chance grow superhots and belong to thehotpepper.com club .
I sent him some really cool hot powders and the seeds to go with them .

And low and behold what I find in my mail box ! yep some cool beans / stickers and stuff !

Gotta love the kindness

 

[H.A.F.]

So I got to become really good long distance friends with a Bean Broker , who like Super Hot sauces and pepper powders ,
Well I by chance grow superhots and belong to thehotpepper.com club .
I sent him some really cool hot powders and the seeds to go with them .

And low and behold what I find in my mail box ! yep some cool beans / stickers and stuff !

View attachment 4378273 Gotta love the kindness

Are those reggies or fems? That's cool. I am just figuring out that a "6-pack" of reggies is about the number to get at least one fem (I think?).

I have tomatoes and peppers as well, but my first year in the house, so I didn't commit to anything. random plants here and there to see where the sun was best. I just have regular peppers - heirlooms, but just bells and Anaheim's. I dig the hot peppers though and have played around with the dehydrator making spice rubs for BBQ. The hot peppers might be my next "thing" when spring rolls around. I planted way too many tomatoes, and too few peppers this year.

 

[morugawelder]

Are those reggies or fems? That's cool. I am just figuring out that a "6-pack" of reggies is about the number to get at least one fem (I think?).

I have tomatoes and peppers as well, but my first year in the house, so I didn't commit to anything. random plants here and there to see where the sun was best. I just have regular peppers - heirlooms, but just bells and Anaheim's. I dig the hot peppers though and have played around with the dehydrator making spice rubs for BBQ. The hot peppers might be my next "thing" when spring rolls around. I planted way too many tomatoes, and too few peppers this year.

I think their regs. I need to ask him , doesn't say on the packages .
Hey , I got some really cool Green Bells with jalapeño heat . They were created at the University of Turkey , they bred out the grassiness and bred in jalapeño heat , They get huge , sweet ( when left to turn red ) and a nice burn . Great for stuffed peppers , in chili , fajitas , you name it .
This is my 4th yr. growing them , I was one of a handful to get the seeds when they got to the states . I can hook you up with some if you'd like ? I got everything , reapers , hybrids up the ass , cool stuff people don't have , from mild to superhot !
Let me know I'll send you some cool ones . chocolates, to yellows .

I just flipped the ladies tonight , 40 days from sprout . Trying to get a handle on the 3 gal. bags ( water / feed program ) .
I'm use to 5 gal. plastic .
I have the f.f. trio , botinacare cal- mag , botinicare silica blast , flower fuel 1- 34 - 32 , mammoth p ,
I'm not gonna use the big grow rest of the way out , not sure on the tiger bloom since it has 2 -8 - 4 , ( nitro. )
suppose to cut back nitro , right ?
I figure 2 with the cal-mag ,( nitro ) , 1 with the flower fuel , and myco has 3-0-3 ,
and suggestions on a feed schedule ?

appreciate you input ....

 

[H.A.F.]

I have the f.f. trio , botinacare cal- mag , botinicare silica blast , flower fuel 1- 34 - 32 , mammoth p ,
I'm not gonna use the big grow rest of the way out , not sure on the tiger bloom since it has 2 -8 - 4 , ( nitro. )
suppose to cut back nitro , right ?
I figure 2 with the cal-mag ,( nitro ) , 1 with the flower fuel , and myco has 3-0-3 ,
and suggestions on a feed schedule ?

appreciate you input ....

OK. I use a canned feeding schedule from the companies. I just tweak it to how much I'll actually use (like 25% or whatever) or how I'll use some stuff at a higher % or even 100% just because of what it is. Like cal-mag - I have yet to see anyone with cal or mag burn... Plenty of deficiencies though.

On the Grow Big and Tiger Bloom, I would stick with the schedule, but drop the % way down. The plants need what's in there, and the schedule already takes into account the stages of growth by what you add when. Those two are just not on the schedule I am using because it has other junk to add instead (top-feed stuff) that provides the same goodies. All I meant was that those two were no organic, and of the FF trio those are the two to drop the % way down - like twice what you do the big bloom. If you use it at 50% I would use them at 25%.

I wouldn't hesitate to add low NPK boosters, sweeteners, myco's, microbes, amoebas and pterodactyls and shit. If they won't burn the plant they can't really hurt - but still drop the % until you see how the plant reacts.

As far as additional NPK stuff, like PK boosts in flower, I would stick with what is on the schedule and not tempt fate by adding some other brand of "flower power" or "bud buster" or whatever. If you feel the need, get the trio of crystals they make like Cha Ching. It works great, but like with all the others, too much of a good thing sucks.

 

[H.A.F.]

But that's just because I'm playing it safe now. If the nitro stuff you have is similar to "Beastie Bloomz" (NPK-wise) on the FF schedule for example, swap 'em. Reality is they are probably all the same. I just like that the pre-made schedules already have a baseline with the right proportions that I can adjust from.

But if you find something you like, (like the silica) add it to your schedule. Start with the same % thing from their MFG recommendations and see what the plants think - adjust from there on your schedule.

 

[morugawelder]

so ya think continue with
grow big - per f.f. schedule
tiger bloom - per schedule
big bloom - per schedule , just just doses down in 1/2 ,, very watering or every other ? I'm watering every other day now .

then supplement with mycos and silica when just water feed ?
cal-mag with every water .
molasses last couple of weeks

 

[morugawelder]

But that's just because I'm playing it safe now. If the nitro stuff you have is similar to "Beastie Bloomz" (NPK-wise) on the FF schedule for example, swap 'em. Reality is they are probably all the same. I just like that the pre-made schedules already have a baseline with the right proportions that I can adjust from.

But if you find something you like, (like the silica) add it to your schedule. Start with the same % thing from their MFG recommendations and see what the plants think - adjust from there on your schedule.

so you continue the trio into flower then ?
I thought your suppose to cut back on nitrogen in flower ?
Lots to learn I guess .

 

[H.A.F.]

so you continue the trio into flower then ?
I thought your suppose to cut back on nitrogen in flower ?

Yes, but the schedule takes care of that. You gradually add more of one thing and less of others.
The system is fine, just harsh. So using the schedule and all ingredients in it is fine, just don't go 100% on those two.

 

[H.A.F.]

grow big - per f.f. schedule use 50%
tiger bloom - per schedule use 25%
big bloom - per schedule , use 25%.

^^ That was what I meant. And you can bump up the % as you go if the plants seem ok, just remember that if you burn them, it takes a week or more to show up. That's why the low%.

So when the schedule calls for a new nute, ease into it.

 

[morugawelder]

^^ That was what I meant. And you can bump up the % as you go if the plants seem ok, just remember that if you burn them, it takes a week or more to show up. That's why the low%.

So when the schedule calls for a new nute, ease into it.

so f.f. schedule calls for 3 tsp. big bloom , 2 tsp. grow big , 2 tsp. tiger bloom , twice a week . first week .
that won't be to strong for them ?
and say recharge and cal- mag on the off feed .
I thought nitro wa suppose to be cut out once in bloom cycle ?

 

[H.A.F.]

so f.f. schedule calls for 3 tsp. big bloom , 2 tsp. grow big , 2 tsp. tiger bloom , twice a week . first week .
that won't be to strong for them ?

Yes, which is why you still use them, but less of each. Percentages... 50% would be 1.5tsp big bloom, and 25% would be 1/2tsp of the other two.

All I am saying is that if it calls for all three, use all three. Just not so much.

and say recharge and cal- mag on the off feed .
I thought nitro wa suppose to be cut out once in bloom cycle ?

I have most of the FF stuff, and don't know what nitro or recharge is. If it isn't on the schedule, go by what's on the bottle. But if this "nitro" is another NKP type nute, for flowering, I wouldn't use it AND the tiger bloom or grow big. If it matches one NPK-wise or close I might swap it out, but not both.

 

[H.A.F.]

If by "nitro" you just mean nitrogen, no you don't cut it out in flower, but it drops.
The Big Bloom is only 0.0-0.5-0.7. It's all bat-shit and worm-shit. That is why it is safe not to cut it as much. also, no N.

 

[morugawelder]

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If by "nitro" you just mean nitrogen, no you don't cut it out in flower, but it drops.
The Big Bloom is only 0.0-0.5-0.7. It's all bat-shit and worm-shit. That is why it is safe not to cut it as much. also, no N.

schedule shows first 4 weeks of flower 2 tsp. twice week , ( grow big ) and drops to 1 tsp. twice per week 5 th week then none last 3 weeks .
big bloom is 3 tsp. twice week all thru flower , and Tiger bloom shows 2 tsp. first 6 weeks , then drops to 1 tsp. twice last 2 weeks .
should I go by that but cut to 1/ 2 tsp. of each twice a week . or can they handle it ?