blu3bird's political thought of the day...
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Rob Roy
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UncleBuck
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Neo nazi pedophile
topcat
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and somehow, i know that if you could, you would..similar to squeezing in your trailer next to the pickup truck at the loading dock..he had it coming
blu3bird
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Oh boy, here's a real gem of an article -
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bernie-sanders-well-pay-medicare-for-all-by-taxing-the-rich-184145968.html
My thoughts -
Mr Sanders, define wealthy for me, please.
I have a strong feeling Bernie's definition of wealthy is anyone that has a job and makes a paycheck
Providing Medicare for all and cancelling student debt will cost taxpayers 30-40 TRILLION over the next 10 years, wow!
Mr Sanders, I didn't go to college, why do you want me to pay for someone who did and made the piss poor decision not to pay back the money they borrowed?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bernie-sanders-well-pay-medicare-for-all-by-taxing-the-rich-184145968.html
My thoughts -
Mr Sanders, define wealthy for me, please.
I have a strong feeling Bernie's definition of wealthy is anyone that has a job and makes a paycheck
Providing Medicare for all and cancelling student debt will cost taxpayers 30-40 TRILLION over the next 10 years, wow!
Mr Sanders, I didn't go to college, why do you want me to pay for someone who did and made the piss poor decision not to pay back the money they borrowed?
hanimmal
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Mostly that money is going to be paid back by tax payers anyways regardless since the unemployment rate for people with a 4 year or more degree being about 2.4%.
Idk, this seems like people that complain about their taxes going to social services who make a good income and never use it, or complaining about taxes going to other peoples children schools. But as much as I would love to have my school loans wiped out, I'm not going to hold my breath on it, I would rather see every elderly person without means to have a nice place to live and not have to eat cat food.
abandonconflict
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That's a modest estimate but still within the extremes. I'm convinced that there is not a single person who supports it AND knows how much it will increase middle class taxes. I'm not completely opposed to the student loan part, it's paid through QE and would directly impact debt to income ratio for most of the people effected in a positive way. Still, I will admit that your reason for opposing it is valid and therefore you don't deserve to shoulder any of the cost.
M4A on the other hand, shit sandwich. I don't want any part of it. That tax hike is just too big. For everyone making over 30k, it's more than half of the average rent in the US. It's downright frightening. Sanders was on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of days ago and yet again managed to avoid talking about how big the tax hikes will be. Even Harris, who signed his bill, backed away from that shit when she saw the pricetag. 5-7 times the military budget is staggering.
I don't like copays or deductibles either but when I found out the price of Bernie's plan, yeah I'll take the deductibles.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/support-medicare-wavers-tax-hikes-190123105520935.html
Moses Mobetta
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In 1983 I had a job as a janitor with health insurance, dental plan, prescription coverage with paid holidays and a paid vacation. This was more common than not. My hourly pay was $12.50 and there wasn't even a Union involved
abandonconflict
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When announcing pay raises for all of their employees, Amazon cited saving costs on training and improved safety due to reduced turnover as the primary reasons.
UncleBuck
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Be dumber
hotrodharley
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I doubt that’s possible.
blu3bird
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I don't have any kids and I don't mind that my taxes go to elementary schools or high schools. I don't mind if my taxes go to social services for people that are elderly, physically disabled or mentally disabled, but the rest of able bodied adults need to pull their own weight. I understand that sometimes circumstances in life can put an able bodied adult in a tough position and there's nothing wrong with using social services to get back on their feet asap.
I'll pay for kids/children to go to school, but I don't want to pay for adults to go to school. Adults are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.
I shouldn't be on the hook for adults that make poor decisions, for example, someone that takes out 150K in student loans to have a social studies or music degree that only pays 30K a year.
I'm not trying to be a dick to you hannimal you seem like a cool person, going to college was a choice you made yourself and you knew when you borrowed money for school that you'd be expected to pay it back, right?
Plain and simple this is the way I see things -
1) you borrow money
2) you pay it back
3) Student loan debt problem solved
If anything, maybe loans for school should be interest free. Maybe companies should be recruiting young adults and helping to share the cost of school and giving them employment as soon as school is completed.
abandonconflict
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I'm opposed to huge middle class tax hikes and it's possible to deliver universal health care without them. Bernie's plan is terrible.
hanimmal
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Yeah I'm with you on your reasoning. And cannot stress how many people I tried to help understand that their degrees were not going to help them much more as adults than being able to check a box saying you have a college education. I went to school strait out of high school to play sports and after two years I dropped out with no degree a 1.8 gpa and college loans for my trouble. I worked and paid them off. And a decade later went back to school to finish up and grab a few highly usable degrees and even more student debt. I would not have been able to afford to do it without the loans, so it was necessary and I am paying them back.
As much as I would like to have my student loans wiped off I am not expecting that to happen. I do think fully funding students in the STEM programs would be worthwhile though as it does add a lot to our societies advancement. These programs are for real hard work and are more like preparing and practicing over and over for a sport, helping teens who want to continue with school and work hard in these programs goes a long ways.