Will Ocean forest soil destroy benefecial natural bacteria?

[olaf687]

I was bit tricked into buying ocean forest I thought it was organic. But after doing more research it seems it has something more synthetic. My concern is I wanted my grow completely organic. I even added myco on the roots and plan on growing clover in the pots. I plan to add benefecial plants and insects around them. My concern is because my soil is mostly ocean forest will myco and the natural bacteria ever be able to develop? I did mix a good amount of roots organics, black gold, and some ancient forest. So its only probably about 40% ocean forest. I also plan to top dress with allpacco poop, crab meal, and blood meal for vegetative and fish powder, bat guano, rock dust for flowering.

 

[hyroot]

No. Fox farm hasn't used synthetic urea in ocean forest soil for years.

 

[RomulanJake]

I use strictly Ocean Forest, if Im not making my own soil. Its 100% OMRI certified organic, and the basis for most of my organic gardening/cultivation.

I am not sure what it used to be like, as I've only been using it the past 2-3 years now.. but I can highly recommend the stuff.

 

[OPfarmer]

I'd in doubt... give it a quick compost.. add some green to get it heated quick. A couple of turns and maybe 3 or 4 weeks.

Otherwise, I would say you are fine. Just don't over fertilize. Organic or otherwise ..

 

[hyroot]

I use strictly Ocean Forest, if Im not making my own soil. Its 100% OMRI certified organic, and the basis for most of my organic gardening/cultivation.

I am not sure what it used to be like, as I've only been using it the past 2-3 years now.. but I can highly recommend the stuff.

Omri doesn't mean organic. It's just a list companies pay to be on.

The only organic certification that is legit 100% natural organic is Oregon Tilth. It's very lengthy and in depth process to get certified. It can take up to 5 years to get Oregon tilth certified.

Also companies have to pay for copyright licenses if they use the word organic. A lot of them get around it by using the words natural or sustainable

 

[RomulanJake]

Omri doesn't mean organic. It's just a list companies pay to be on.

The only organic certification that is legit 100% natural organic is Oregon Tilth. It's very lengthy and in depth process to get certified. It can take up to 5 years to get Oregon tilth certified.

Also companies have to pay for copyright licenses if they use the word organic. A lot of them get around it by using the words natural or sustainable

OMRI literally means the Organic Materials Review Institute. OMRI is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. They even give credit on their mission statement to Oregon Tilth, and CCOF for setting their protocols they use.

..however I admit it is not as amazing as Oregon Tilth.

To each their own.. no need to argue semantics here.

 

[FunkeyMunkey]

Dont overthink it man, FFOF is good soil and adding mykos with clover and everything else you stated will be fine. You'll still get some nice "organic" buds that taste great and your bennys will grow as long as you dont let your soil dry out bad. Add a few teas if things aren't looking like you want and watch them prosper. Keep it simple.

 

[OPfarmer]

Omri doesn't mean organic. It's just a list companies pay to be on.

The only organic certification that is legit 100% natural organic is Oregon Tilth. It's very lengthy and in depth process to get certified. It can take up to 5 years to get Oregon tilth certified.

Also companies have to pay for copyright licenses if they use the word organic. A lot of them get around it by using the words natural or sustainable

If you want a greater adaptation to an organic standard.. you post is NOT the way to do it...

I am in WASHINGTON WSDA is best..!!
LOL

Actually I work with a Certified Naturally grown.
A Great program for small farmers that dont want to deal with a ton, of government bull shit red tape.

OMRI is just a quick way to check on the acceptability. If *"(you know your farmer)"*. You can ask where the stand on different " organic" practices.

Stuff like industrial blood and bone are loaded with antibiotics, that I have not seen sufficient evidence they are cleaned up in the compost/rated and shit out by bacteria process.

 

[toomp]

I was bit tricked into buying ocean forest I thought it was organic. But after doing more research it seems it has something more synthetic. My concern is I wanted my grow completely organic. I even added myco on the roots and plan on growing clover in the pots. I plan to add benefecial plants and insects around them. My concern is because my soil is mostly ocean forest will myco and the natural bacteria ever be able to develop? I did mix a good amount of roots organics, black gold, and some ancient forest. So its only probably about 40% ocean forest. I also plan to top dress with allpacco poop, crab meal, and blood meal for vegetative and fish powder, bat guano, rock dust for flowering.

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I'd be more concerned with the aluminum content in the rockdust.

 

[olaf687]

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I'd be more concerned with the aluminum content in the rockdust.

Thanks for the warning I won't add rock dust during flowering. Aluminum is a big no no!

 

[hyroot]

If you want a greater adaptation to an organic standard.. you post is NOT the way to do it...

I am in WASHINGTON WSDA is best..!!
LOL

Actually I work with a Certified Naturally grown.
A Great program for small farmers that dont want to deal with a ton, of government bull shit red tape.

OMRI is just a quick way to check on the acceptability. If *"(you know your farmer)"*. You can ask where the stand on different " organic" practices.

Stuff like industrial blood and bone are loaded with antibiotics, that I have not seen sufficient evidence they are cleaned up in the compost/rated and shit out by bacteria process.

Half the companies that are omri listed are not organic. Their products are not tested at all they just pay a fee to omri to get on the list.

 

[hyroot]

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I'd be more concerned with the aluminum content in the rockdust.

That's just azomite. its alumina oxide. Just add bokashi. The microbes bioremediate the alumina oxide.


Theres several studies on microbes boiremediating heavy metals

 

[hyroot]

OMRI literally means the Organic Materials Review Institute. OMRI is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. They even give credit on their mission statement to Oregon Tilth, and CCOF for setting their protocols they use.

..however I admit it is not as amazing as Oregon Tilth.

To each their own.. no need to argue semantics here.

Omri is just a list They dont do any testing or have anything tested. Companies just pay a fee to get on the list. That's it. Hald the companies that are omri listed are not even close to organic


You can check the cdfa site or the oda site to see what the ingredients in each product is. They're required to disclose everything when registering products with the state dept of agriculture

 

[toomp]

That's just azomite. its alumina oxide. Just add bokashi. The microbes bioremediate the alumina oxide.


Theres several studies on microbes boiremediating heavy metals

Well MOST people new to organics buy Azomite. Lol. I remember years ago dumping it in breathing all that good aluminum lead laced arsenic clouds of dust in the mixing pile without a care in the world. Great.

 

[hyroot]

Well MOST people new to organics buy Azomite. Lol. I remember years ago dumping it in breathing all that good aluminum lead laced arsenic clouds of dust in the mixing pile without a care in the world. Great.

You don't want to breath in any dust of any kind. Not even from compost of soil. I've breathed in homemade bokashi 3 times. It felt like a bus was on my chest for 3 days. It was bad. I use a painter's mask everytime I mix soil, top dress or make bokashi, harvest castings, etc....

Arsenic is everything. Its in all the food you eat. It's in the ground soil all over the world. Its naturally occurring.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Been using the same FFOF for 11 months now, and my microbes are happy.

 

[toomp]

You don't want to breath in any dust of any kind. Not even from compost of soil. I've breathed in homemade bokashi 3 times. It felt like a bus was on my chest for 3 days. It was bad. I use a painter's mask everytime I mix soil, top dress or make bokashi, harvest castings, etc....

Arsenic is everything. Its in all the food you eat. It's in the ground soil all over the world. Its naturally occurring.

Yes so is lead and versions of aluminum. We bath, drink, eat that shit. I would love to not add more to the body than already getting. Especially aluminum. I don't even use regular deordorant
I didn't feel much just know it wasn't good. Now I bag soil dust did give me a soar throat.

While I have you would a few tea spoons of mushroom compost stop cloromine from (potentially) harming soil life?

 

[OldMedUser]

Most so-called organics is BS and no more sustainable than any other method.

Sea bird and bat guano collection is wiping out both because the people collecting it have no concerns about the destruction they cause and the diseases they spread.

Glacial rock dust? What a f'n joke. Powdered rock that can be made from any rocks found all over the world and never met by any pot grown anywhere before some sucker paid thru the nose to use it on his plants.

Heavy metals in greensand and their ilk doesn't sound so tasty.

Use whatever works to grow your plants well and screw these 'categories' you have to fit in to be part of any club.

 

[hyroot]

Yes so is lead and versions of aluminum. We bath, drink, eat that shit. I would love to not add more to the body than already getting. Especially aluminum. I don't even use regular deordorant
I didn't feel much just know it wasn't good. Now I bag soil dust did give me a soar throat.

While I have you would a few tea spoons of mushroom compost stop cloromine from (potentially) harming soil life?

Like I said. Add bokashi microbes will bioremediates the soil breaking down and removing the heavy metals. It can also be used to clean up polluted lakes and ponds.

I use azomite in my bokashi. Its anti clumping.. No heavy metals are present after the fermenting process.

 

[OldMedUser]

Like I said. Add bokashi microbes will bioremediates the soil breaking down and removing the heavy metals. It can also be used to clean up polluted lakes and ponds.

I use azomite in my bokashi. Its anti clumping.. No heavy metals are present after the fermenting process.

Cannabis/hemp is one of the most efficient plants for absorbing contaminants from the soil it's grown in and no amount of fermentation or other mumbo-jumbo will prevent it from bio-accumulating whatever toxins are present.

It was planted in massive amounts around the Chernobyl disaster expressly to suck up the radioactive and metallic toxins in the soil. The finished plants were harvested and burned at a secret location.

It's like taking cheap vitamin b-12 made from cyano-cobalamin compared to one made from methyl-cobalamin. With the first you get a little cyanide with every dose and with the 2nd you don't. I know which one I spend my money on.

Any type of toxin in a material you grow consumable plants in will end up in your body.