Majority Backs ‘Medicare for All’ Replacing Private Plans, if Preferred Providers Stay

[Padawanbater2]

Go take a poll on it.

Trump loves you.

Trump loves you. You're the ones that actively divide those who would ordinarily vote Democratic

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Trump loves you. You're the ones that actively divide those who would ordinarily vote Democratic

 

[abandonconflict]

Another right wing talking point

I notice a trend. Nobody can argue against universal healthcare without invoking right wing talking points.

It won't cost the average American more, it'll cost those at the very top more, those who earn the most. I'm pretty sure they can afford it

It won't change your doctor, it will only change your provider. Every doctor in the US will accept Medicare, so you will be able to choose any doctor you want

It doesn't eliminate private insurance, it eliminates duplicate insurance. If you want/need something M4A doesn't provide, you're completely free to buy it yourself

It won't cost more to you at the price of consumption or to the provider at the price of sale. Every modern country on Earth implements universal healthcare at half the cost per capita

No, it will raise taxes dramatically for everyone who makes more than 30k per year annually. I'm talking about Bernie's plan. For people making between 30k-60k it's up to double their current tax rate. Look it up. Bernie's bill is shit. It will also encourage providers and drug manufacturers to charge more since it's all coming out of taxpayer dime. If you have something better to cite and link, go for it.

Bernie's plan will cost between 32.6 trillion and 49 trillion dollars in the first 10 years while doctors take a pay cut. He doesn't say who will pay for it though. He just admits that almost everyone will pay increased taxes. I think he intentionally leaves the math out of it.

The price tag is staggering.

 

[Padawanbater2]

No, it will raise taxes dramatically for everyone who makes more than 30k per year annually. I'm talking about Bernie's plan. For people making between 30k-60k it's up to double their current tax rate. Look it up. Bernie's bill is shit. It will also encourage providers and drug manufacturers to charge more since it's all coming out of taxpayer dime. If you have something better to cite and link, go for it.

Where is your evidence Sanders bill will double the current tax rate of people making 30K-60K? Cite it here in your next reply

Bernie's plan will cost between 32.6 trillion and 49 trillion dollars in the first 10 years

We currently spend $35 trillion and 30 million fewer Americans receive access to affordable healthcare

He just admits that almost everyone will pay increased taxes.

The rich will pay increased taxes. As they should, since they earn more. The upper middle class might pay a bit more in taxes, but they can afford it also, and the overwhelming majority of them are not heartless enough to be able to condemn poor people for it. They're all very good people. Strong progressives

The price tag is staggering.

The price tag in America is twice as much as the universal healthcare havens you fear, and we cover far fewer people..

 

[abandonconflict]

This Bloomberg article sources professional estimate from Kaiser Permanente. Since Bernie is terrified people will ask the price, we lack sources for how 49 trillion dollars will be paid by taxpayers in a decade.

Bernie Sanders Predicts His $10,000 Tax Hike Will Save You Money. Watch the Fine Print

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-02/sanders-health-care-pitch-oversells-benefits-of-10-000-tax-hike

 

[Fogdog]

If polls don't really mean anything, why don't you tell that to Fogdog or Buck when they post polls they think supports neoliberal centrist positions? You only seem to chime up about the value of polls when one gets posted that concludes the opposite..

Your cherry picked polls are unconvincing. Plenty of other polls and simple common sense say otherwise. Berinie's plan represents a failure in his leadership..

Bernie quite purposefully left out a budget and means of payment from his plan for exactly the reasons AC has detailed.

Improve the ACA and include the public option to buy-in to Medicare.

 

[UncleBuck]

Where is your evidence Sanders bill will double the current tax rate of people making 30K-60K? Cite it here in your next reply

We currently spend $35 trillion and 30 million fewer Americans receive access to affordable healthcare

The rich will pay increased taxes. As they should, since they earn more. The upper middle class might pay a bit more in taxes, but they can afford it also, and the overwhelming majority of them are not heartless enough to be able to condemn poor people for it. They're all very good people. Strong progressives

The price tag in America is twice as much as the universal healthcare havens you fear, and we cover far fewer people..

I can’t take anything you say seriously

 

[Herb & Suds]

Bernie has never accomplished anything and now we should just blindly follow
like good sheep LOL

 

[UncleBuck]

Bernie has never accomplished anything and now we should just blindly follow
like good sheep LOL

LET PROGRESSIVES WIN

 

[Herb & Suds]

LET PROGRESSIVES WIN

I thought it was only the Bern?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Bernie quite purposefully left out a budget and means of payment from his plan

Sanders has explicitly stated his means of payment to fund Medicare for All

Have you ever actually addressed the way Sanders plans to pay for it, or instead always argued that he just didn't think about how to pay for it?

Improve the ACA

Improve the ACA how? What should the ultimate goal in regards to healthcare be for the Democratic party?

include the public option to buy-in to Medicare.

Why would wealthy people choose to buy into Medicare?

Do you want to answer that yet or just keep avoiding the question?

 

[Rob Roy]

Bingo.

We could also use some government assistance to crack down on drug company price gouging.

If you had a better grasp on why drug prices are so high, you wouldn't propose the root cause also deliver the solution.

 

[Fogdog]

Sanders has explicitly stated his means of payment to fund Medicare for All

Have you ever actually addressed the way Sanders plans to pay for it, or instead always argued that he just didn't think about how to pay for it?

Improve the ACA how? What should the ultimate goal in regards to healthcare be for the Democratic party?

Why would wealthy people choose to buy into Medicare?

Do you want to answer that yet or just keep avoiding the question?

If Medicare were better than private healthcare why wouldn't they choose it?

The ACA needs to be expanded to include everybody who can't afford health care insurance. They need to re-instate the funding for people who can't pay for the ACA in the original contract that Republcians refused pay. This isn't rocket science, Pad.

Quit lying to us with those stupid cherry picked polls. Forcing people to give up medical plans they like for Medicare and then paying $10,000 more than they are already paying is a shit stupid idea.

 

[topcat]

Medicare for everyone who wants (needs) it. Like your plan? Keep it. -Eric Swalwell, presidential candidate.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you had a better grasp on why drug prices are so high, you wouldn't propose the root cause also deliver the solution.

The barter system would fix all of this, right?

Retard

 

[bartow]

Medicare for all will do for everyone what it does for seniors. Everyone will get abbreviated doctors visits. Usually a doctor won't be involved at all. Doctoring is more profitable under Medicare if the physician functions as a clerk. You will be expected to participate in every medical feeding frenzy on federal money that your doctor can discover. The death rate in the country is already increasing. Medicare for all will accelerate the rising death rate. This is what people want and they are likely to get it. However, don't expect it to be healthcare because it isn't.

 

[UncleBuck]

Medicare for all will do for everyone what it does for seniors. Everyone will get abbreviated doctors visits. Usually a doctor won't be involved at all. Doctoring is more profitable under Medicare if the physician functions as a clerk. You will be expected to participate in every medical feeding frenzy on federal money that your doctor can discover. The death rate in the country is already increasing. Medicare for all will accelerate the rising death rate. This is what people want and they are likely to get it. However, don't expect it to be healthcare because it isn't.

What a shitty stupid post

 

[Herb & Suds]

Medicare for all will do for everyone what it does for seniors. Everyone will get abbreviated doctors visits. Usually a doctor won't be involved at all. Doctoring is more profitable under Medicare if the physician functions as a clerk. You will be expected to participate in every medical feeding frenzy on federal money that your doctor can discover. The death rate in the country is already increasing. Medicare for all will accelerate the rising death rate. This is what people want and they are likely to get it. However, don't expect it to be healthcare because it isn't.

Without Medicare most seniors would be dead already , so I think it must have some health benefits LOL

 

[bartow]

Without Medicare most seniors would be dead already , so I think it must have some health benefits LOL

Some experiences don't make sense until folks go through the experience. A lot of seniors are dying prematurely already. Many of us are using things like orthomolecular medicine remedies that regular doctors are as much as forbidden to even mention. Cannabis cures are growing by leaps and bounds. People are staying alive despite diminished levels of care. If citizens want government funded healthcare, it needs to be without the skimming operations. That is possible only if citizens themselves write the bill themselves. When was the last time a bill was written by a senator, congressman or a group of citizens? I mean one that had a chance of passing. You will never come out ahead with a lobbyist inspired healthcare bill even though you are convinced that you will. Lobbyists are the world's best salesmen so it is no surprise that citizens buy into what they are selling.

 

[UncleBuck]

Some experiences don't make sense until folks go through the experience. A lot of seniors are dying prematurely already. Many of us are using things like orthomolecular medicine remedies that regular doctors are as much as forbidden to even mention. Cannabis cures are growing by leaps and bounds. People are staying alive despite diminished levels of care. If citizens want government funded healthcare, it needs to be without the skimming operations. That is possible only if citizens themselves write the bill themselves. When was the last time a bill was written by a senator, congressman or a group of citizens? I mean one that had a chance of passing. You will never come out ahead with a lobbyist inspired healthcare bill even though you are convinced that you will. Lobbyists are the world's best salesmen so it is no surprise that citizens buy into what they are selling.

Oh, you’re one of these “cannabis cures everything, maaaaaaan!” hucksters