Republicans only care for children in the womb

[londonfog]

Don't fall for everything you read.

lol. interesting that you would say that .

 

[londonfog]

ima piggy back on Doublejj, when I was a Counselor in CDCR, I always pushed for inmates to get their GED, then College Degree. The recidivism for the average low educated inmate is 69-70%. Inmates who get an AA degree recidivism rate is at 32-35%, so education is key. I read one of the above posters say there is no rehabilitation, well I can’t speak for other states but here in California (State Prison system) every yard offers, education, accredited vocations, self-help (anger management, parenting classes, reentry programs, drug treatment, etc..) Religious and Peer education group. Ima tell you guys the same thing I use to tell an inmate who says CDCR does not rehabilitate inmates...you are absolutely right, we don’t rehabilitate but every facility in the state, no matter what your issue is, offers programs for you to rehabilitate yourself. Inmate has to want to be rehabilitated in order to be rehabilitated.

I volunteered at a prison in my last years in the service. Helped inmates obtain GED ( math tutor ) . Got fed up seeing the same guys coming back. The last one hurt so bad I just basically gave up and decide to concentrate solely on troubled youth. Attempt to reach them before they even get in the system.

 

[Obepawn]

Prison overcrowding is a major problem. The California prison realignment program has shifted much of the burden down stream back onto the county jails and has created a huge issue in the county jails...inmates that belong in prison are doing up to 10 years in county jail. It's dangerous and unfair to the inmate as there are no rehabilitation programs in county jails.

This is true. Assembly Bill AB109 is what’s it called. Definitely lowered the white inmate population in California, because most of the white inmate were in prison on drug convictions, now they go to county jail.

 

[Obepawn]

The same is true with addiction. Many inmates are addicts or alcoholics. Getting out even after long periods of sobriety many go get a beer or 2 and are right back in another jackpot wondering how it happened to them again.

This is true, bro. They actually have good drug treatment programs in there, but sadly, there is also a lot of drugs in prison.

 

[Obepawn]

Food for thought, why are all the private prisons in red states? For those of you who don’t know, private prison are prison corporations that are for profit off of inmate labor. The more inmates in there prisons, the more money they make, and they have share holders. The staff in those facilities make just a few dollars over minimum wage and because of this, some are easily flipped by inmates to bring in contraband. Correctional Corporation of America is one of these corporations that comes to mind.

So in these conservative states, with strict conservative laws, written by conservative lawmakers, many who have stock in these private prisons...a conflict of interest, Keep ridiculous conservative laws on the books to keep the private prisons full, thereby, keeping their stock portfolio fat with green.

 

[blu3bird]

Wrong.....
CALPIA.......
CALPIA is a self-supporting state entity that reduces recidivism, increases prison safety, and enhances public safety by providing offenders productive work and training opportunities. Its program goals support CDCR's public safety mission by producing trained offenders with job skills, good work habits, basic education and job support in the community, giving them the best post-release chances of not returning to prison. CALPIA offenders receive industry-accredited certifications that employers seek.

Over a three-year period, beginning in Fiscal Year (FY) 2008-09, CALPIA participants returned to prison, on average, 26–38% less often than offenders released from the CDCR general population, saving the General Fund millions in incarceration costs.
CALPIA invests in curriculum for offenders, offering more than 120 nationally recognized accredited certifications, such as AutoCAD, computer coding, dental technology, food handling, laundry, agriculture, welding, metal-stamping, industrial safety and health, electrical systems, mechanical systems, and maintenance. CALPIA offenders may also earn certificates of proficiency in occupational disciplines to validate skills and abilities obtained during their time employed by CALPIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Prison_Industry_Authority

Dang, I didn't know anything like this program existed. This program should be mandatory in every single prison in every state.

 

[Obepawn]

Dang, I didn't know anything like this program existed. This program should be mandatory in every single prison in every state.

It is. On the state prison side. Doublejj worked a lot of years in the State Prison Sytem. I worked 22-years and retired last year.

 

[blu3bird]

It is. On the state prison side. Doublejj worked a lot of years in the State Prison Sytem. I worked 22-years and retired last year.

You have my respect

 

[Rob Roy]

Food for thought, why are all the private prisons in red states? For those of you who don’t know, private prison are prison corporations that are for profit off of inmate labor. The more inmates in there prisons, the more money they make, and they have share holders. The staff in those facilities make just a few dollars over minimum wage and because of this, some are easily flipped by inmates to bring in contraband. Correctional Corporation of America is one of these corporations that comes to mind.

So in these conservative states, with strict conservative laws, written by conservative lawmakers, many who have stock in these private prisons...a conflict of interest, Keep ridiculous conservative laws on the books to keep the private prisons full, thereby, keeping their stock portfolio fat with green.

Except this is beside the point and is a little like the pot calling the kettle black. Whether a person who harmed nobody is held captive in a privately held prison or a "public" prison might be interesting, but to the prisoner it's all a game and they are the pawns.

Both private and public prison workers (you) and administration have a mercenary self interest in perpetuating the victimless crime prosecution and incarceration scheme. You do collect a hefty retirement right?

On a larger scale beyond the prison walls is where the victimization / capture of the tax donkeys takes place. The tax donkeys aren't "in prison" but they are held in a very real form of fiscal captivity, being forced to pay to arrest, prosecute, incarcerate and maintain probation and parole bull shit. Not to mention pay for the enormous unneeded prison and court buildings, ridiculous retirement payments etc. Because this happens on a regular and routine basis, people become inured to it.

The problem isn't who can do a better job of holding victimless prisoners captive, the problem is why are there so many victimless crime "criminals" incarcerated in the first place ?

 

[blu3bird]

ridiculous retirement payments

I'd say a prison worker has earned every bit of their pension/retirement

That is a hard and dangerous job to work in a prison

 

[Rob Roy]

I'd say a prison worker has earned every bit of their pension/retirement

That is a hard and dangerous job to work in a prison

With all due respect, I disagree with your blanket statement.

A prison worker could work hard doing the wrong thing, just like a cop could work hard doing the wrong thing. Hard or dangerous work is not a qualification for whether something is deserved or not.

If an executioner works hard all day laboriously chopping innocent peoples heads off, does he deserve a pension? Why?

Working on a slave ship feeding Africans held in chains in the hold of a ship and mucking out the stench was probably hard work too, but it's never honorable work to participate in victimizing people.

Something earned is not the same as something taken thru force is it ?
Something earned is something gotten thru work which doesn't harm or victimize another person and most importantly if it involves other people, it can't be the result of offensive force.

It's safe to say that in nearly every prison or jail many, if not most, of the prisoners held aren't there for creating an actual harm. This is a fact. You won't be able to refute it.

Following unjust orders for money is why the United States has the highest prison population by percent in the world. Good people disobey bad laws and don't blindly follow orders which victimize other people.

 

[Rob Roy]

How much did it cost to send you and all of your retard kids to public school?

Too much. Anything paid for via a confiscatory policy rather than mutual exchange is suspect.

How much would an education cost if the paradigm weren't forcibly skewed in favor of what presently exists with "government schools" dominating is the logical question. Which is why a dolt like you, hasn't considered that aspect.

 

[TacoMac]

Prison overcrowding is a major problem. The California prison realignment program has shifted much of the burden down stream back onto the county jails and has created a huge issue in the county jails...inmates that belong in prison are doing up to 10 years in county jail. It's dangerous and unfair to the inmate as there are no rehabilitation programs in county jails.

That's a MAJOR problem all over. Here in Georgia, we've had several lawsuits over it. At one point, Dekalb County was throwing air mattresses on the floors of cells it was so ridiculously overcrowded.

And inevitably you wind up with the guy in for murder with a long history of assault with two guys that got caught driving without insurance and a half-ounce of pot.

It's fucking awful how ridiculous the system is. BEYOND ridiculous even.

 

[eddy600]

Food for thought, why are all the private prisons in red states? For those of you who don’t know, private prison are prison corporations that are for profit off of inmate labor. The more inmates in there prisons, the more money they make, and they have share holders. The staff in those facilities make just a few dollars over minimum wage and because of this, some are easily flipped by inmates to bring in contraband. Correctional Corporation of America is one of these corporations that comes to mind.

So in these conservative states, with strict conservative laws, written by conservative lawmakers, many who have stock in these private prisons...a conflict of interest, Keep ridiculous conservative laws on the books to keep the private prisons full, thereby, keeping their stock portfolio fat with green.

I know a young man that always wanted to be a youth authority worker or prison guard.He became a prison guard and they send him to a place called Calapatria (sp) it was out in the middle of no where.He quit and became guard in a private prison in Idaho.Many things housing cost & schools for your kids all play a part.He's happy and claims the only thing he is missing is a 3% pension

 

[doublejj]

I know a young man that always wanted to be a youth authority worker or prison guard.He became a prison guard and they send him to a place called Calapatria (sp) it was out in the middle of no where.He quit and became guard in a private prison in Idaho.Many things housing cost & schools for your kids all play a part.He's happy and claims the only thing he is missing is a 3% pension

private prisons run for profit should be outlawed, there's really no incentive to rehabilitate or re-educate inmates in private prisons. They are a warehouses made keep people locked up as long as there is money to be made. State run prisons cost money to run so they try to kick inmates out as soon as can. The state operated prison system is designed to keep the bad inmates in and let most inmates out as soon as they can.

 

[Obepawn]

I know a young man that always wanted to be a youth authority worker or prison guard.He became a prison guard and they send him to a place called Calapatria (sp) it was out in the middle of no where.He quit and became guard in a private prison in Idaho.Many things housing cost & schools for your kids all play a part.He's happy and claims the only thing he is missing is a 3% pension

I know ”Calapat” (Calapatria State Prison) very well. Its in Imperial County. A notoriously vicious level IV prison. When I was a prison investor, I went there for interview and interrogation training and another time me and a coworker had to drive there to get a buccal swab from an inmate.

The prison I worked at is as “in the middle of nowhere”, as you’ll ever get.

 

[Obepawn]

You have my respect

“We walked to toughest beat in the state”, right Doublejj? But now, all I want is to live a quiet peaceful life. When i retired, I felt like I was paroling from a life term.

 

[TacoMac]

private prisons run for profit should be outlawed, there's really no incentive to rehabilitate or re-educate inmates in private prisons. They are a warehouses made keep people locked up as long as there is money to be made. State run prisons cost money to run so they try to kick inmates out as soon as can. The prison system is designed to keep the bad inmates in and let most inmates out as soon as they can.

Nail on head right there.

 

[UncleBuck]

Too much. Anything paid for via a confiscatory policy rather than mutual exchange is suspect.

How much would an education cost if the paradigm weren't forcibly skewed in favor of what presently exists with "government schools" dominating is the logical question. Which is why a dolt like you, hasn't considered that aspect.

You’re a pedophile

 

[ttystikk]

Prison overcrowding is a major problem. The California prison realignment program has shifted much of the burden down stream back onto the county jails and has created a huge issue in the county jails...inmates that belong in prison are doing up to 10 years in county jail. It's dangerous and unfair to the inmate as there are no rehabilitation programs in county jails.

Exactly my point, thank you.