It's Mueller Time

[Moses Mobetta]

In light of all documents being turned over to FBI with no assertion of presidential privilege, and given that no collusion or conspiracy was found, how outraged by Trump ‘s obstruction of a non-crime should we be?

No proof of an underlying crime or not enough evidence of underlying crimes has nothing to do with and is not the same as obstruction. There is evidence of obstruction. There is so much evidence of obstruction that it is enough for impeachment. Did you read the Mueller report or is this just contempt prior to investigation. 199 criminal charges filed, 37 indictments and 5 guilty pleas.

 

[Bugeye]

No proof of an underlying crime or not enough evidence of underlying crimes has nothing to do with and is not the same as obstruction. There is evidence of obstruction. There is so much evidence of obstruction that it is enough for impeachment. Did you read the Mueller report or is this just contempt prior to investigation. 199 criminal charges filed, 37 indictments and 5 guilty pleas.

Yes, there is evidence of obstruction of an investigation into a non-crime (Trump conspiracy with Russia). What will this mean if the surveillance of Trump is not fully legit? The coming month may be telling.

 

[topcat]

Not enough evidence to prove "conspiracy" with Russians is not the same as "no collusion". Plenty of "collusion", which is not a legal charge, absolutely happened. The Trump team absolutely welcomed the help. Then there's the obstruction instances that are spelled out in the Mueller report and amplified by Mueller's recent statement. Obstruction of Justice is a felony. How do you not get this?

 

[UncleBuck]

Not enough evidence to prove "conspiracy" with Russians is not the same as "no collusion". Plenty of "collusion", which is not a legal charge, absolutely happened. The Trump team absolutely welcomed the help. Then there's the obstruction instances that are spelled out in the Mueller report and amplified by Mueller's recent statement. Obstruction of Justice is a felony. How do you not get this?

He’s so dumb he thinks you can’t obstruct if there was no crime

He’s that fucking dumb

 

[Aussieaceae]

Yes, there is evidence of obstruction of an investigation into a non-crime (Trump conspiracy with Russia). What will this mean if the surveillance of Trump is not fully legit? The coming month may be telling.

Was Trump exhortated? Mueller made it quite clear he couldn't come up with sufficient evidence to.

Mueller also stated there was multiple instances of obstruction and collusion .

The report was conclusive enough to prove obstruction and collusion. Though inconclusive about one of the prime suspects, Trump.

Sounds like the investigation should have remained open until a conclusion was reached to me. Isn't that how investigations work? It was by no means an unsuccessful probe, so why pull the plug?

I'd start by asking Bill Barr...

 

[topcat]

He’s so dumb he thinks you can’t obstruct if there was no crime

He’s that fucking dumb

Right. That's Bilbo Barr's opinion of the law.

 

[Bugeye]

Not enough evidence to prove "conspiracy" with Russians is not the same as "no collusion". Plenty of "collusion", which is not a legal charge, absolutely happened. The Trump team absolutely welcomed the help. Then there's the obstruction instances that are spelled out in the Mueller report and amplified by Mueller's recent statement. Obstruction of Justice is a felony. How do you not get this?

Yeah, it was a swing and a miss on the central issue of the investigation. Game over. Dems should impeach in house just to keep base happy, but I don’t see it as a win for them in general election. Pray economy tanks, that is easiest path. Yield curve keeps inverting so not hard to imagine.

 

[topcat]

Yeah, it was a swing and a miss on the central issue of the investigation. Game over. Dems should impeach in house just to keep base happy, but I don’t see it as a win for them in general election. Pray economy tanks, that is easiest path. Yield curve keeps inverting so not hard to imagine.

Weak. Maybe you can get a job with TrumpTV, AKA FuxNooz.
Edit: Will Trump win the popular vote?

 

[Aussieaceae]

Yeah, it was a swing and a miss on the central issue of the investigation. Game over. Dems should impeach in house just to keep base happy, but I don’t see it as a win for them in general election. Pray economy tanks, that is easiest path. Yield curve keeps inverting so not hard to imagine.

The hard part is proving they knowingly let it all happen. How do you prove this without an admission? Extremely hard to.

I'm praying he gets caught up in all this shit, aren't you?

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah, it was a swing and a miss on the central issue of the investigation. Game over. Dems should impeach in house just to keep base happy, but I don’t see it as a win for them in general election. Pray economy tanks, that is easiest path. Yield curve keeps inverting so not hard to imagine.

Do you think anyone buys your lies?

 

[Bugeye]

Was Trump exhortated? Mueller made it quite clear he couldn't come up with sufficient evidence to.

Mueller also stated there was multiple instances of obstruction and collusion .

The report was conclusive enough to prove obstruction and collusion. Though inconclusive about one of the prime suspects, Trump.

Sounds like the investigation should have remained open until a conclusion was reached to me. Isn't that how investigations work? It was by no means an unsuccessful probe, so why pull the plug?

I'd start by asking Bill Barr...

Exhortated? Lol. Suggest you look up that word. Presumably you meant exculpated.

Trump was the target of the probe, all else is irrelevant. More info coming on how this all got started, I think it will be relevant.

 

[medviper]

Tracking 29 Investigations
Related to Trump


By LARRY BUCHANAN and KAREN YOURISH UPDATED MAY 23, 2019

Federal, state and congressional authorities are scrutinizing many aspects of Donald J. Trump’s life through investigations related to his businesses, campaign, inauguration and presidency. We’ll be tracking them here. According to reporting by The New York Times, there are currently at least:

10
FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS
8
STATE AND LOCAL INVESTIGATIONS
11
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS
Latest

The chairman of a Chicago bank has been indicted on a charge that he issued millions of dollars to Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman in an effort to obtain a high-level position in the Trump administration. See more

A federal judge in Manhattan ruled against a request from Mr. Trump to block Deutsche Bank from complying with congressional subpoenas seeking his detailed financial records. See more

Federal Criminal Investigations
Federal prosecutors are pursuing more than a dozen criminal investigations that grew out of the work of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. These are the ones we know about. Select an investigation to see more.


1.

Trump inaugural committee
donations and spending
Southern District of New York
Inauguration

2.

Trump inaugural committee donations /
committee chairman’s ties to Middle East
Eastern District of New York
Associate

Inauguration

3.

Business and political dealings of top fund-raiser
for Trump’s campaign and inauguration
Justice Department’s public integrity section
Associate

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

4.

Possible role of Trump and others
in concealing hush money payments
Southern District of New York
Business

Campaign

Presidency

5.

Whether Trump’s lawyers offered
presidential pardon to Cohen
Southern District of New York
Presidency

6.

Allegations of inflated insurance claims
Southern District of New York
Business

7.

Pending prosecution of Roger J. Stone Jr.
United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia
Campaign

8.

Possible lobbying violations by firms recruited
by former Trump campaign chairman
Southern District of New York

9.

Pending prosecution of former Manafort associate
United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia

10.

Bank officer who sought Trump administration job
Southern District of New York
State and Local Investigations
Authorities in New York, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., are also examining Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates through various — mostly civil — investigations.


11.

Trump Organization insurance practices
New York Department of Financial Services
Business

12.

Contributions to Trump inaugural committee
New Jersey attorney general
Inauguration

13.

Role of Trump’s children and
businesses in Trump’s inauguration
District of Columbia attorney general
Business

Inauguration

14.

Pending criminal prosecution of Manafort
on state mortgage fraud charges
Manhattan district attorney
Associate

15.

Allegations of misused charitable
assets, self-dealing and campaign finance
violations by the Trump Foundation
New York attorney general
Business

Campaign

16.

Allegations that the Trump
Organization inflated financial assets
New York attorney general
Business

17.

Trump family’s tax schemes
New York attorney general
Business

18.

Whether Trump and his family underpaid taxes
New York City
Business
Congressional Investigations
In the months since Democrats took control of the House, several committees have opened inquiries that could turn up politically damaging or embarrassing material or, in the case of the obstruction investigation, lead to impeachment proceedings.


19.

Potential foreign influence over Trump
and possible attempts to obstruct justice
House Intelligence Committee
Business

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

20.

Possible role of Trump and others
in concealing hush money payments
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Business

Campaign

Presidency

21.

Possible obstruction of justice and abuse
of power by Trump and his administration
House Judiciary Committee
Business

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

22.

Possible abuses of the White
House security clearance process
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

23.

Whether Trump misrepresented his net worth
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Business

24.

Alleged use of private messaging
by White House officials
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

25.

Trump’s tax returns
House Ways and Means Committee
Business

26.

Trump’s communications with Putin
House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform Committees
Presidency

27.

Possible money laundering
House Intelligence and Financial Services Committees
Business

28.

Russian interference in the 2016 election
Senate Intelligence Committee
Campaign

29.

Proposed U.S. nuclear venture in Saudi Arabia
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

 

[Bugeye]

The hard part is proving they knowingly let it all happen. How do you prove this without an admission? Extremely hard to.

I'm praying he gets caught up in all this shit, aren't you?

I enjoy political scandal and Trump is a clown, it would be great to see him outed. I just don’t see that happening for political reasons that are kinda obvious.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Exhortated? Lol. Suggest you look up that word. Presumably you meant exculpated.

Trump was the target of the probe, all else is irrelevant. More info coming on how this all got started, I think it will be relevant.

"Exonerated" - spell check's a bitch, and you know what word it was meant to be, bud.

 

[Bugeye]

Tracking 29 Investigations
Related to Trump


By LARRY BUCHANAN and KAREN YOURISH UPDATED MAY 23, 2019

Federal, state and congressional authorities are scrutinizing many aspects of Donald J. Trump’s life through investigations related to his businesses, campaign, inauguration and presidency. We’ll be tracking them here. According to reporting by The New York Times, there are currently at least:

10
FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS
8
STATE AND LOCAL INVESTIGATIONS
11
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS
Latest

The chairman of a Chicago bank has been indicted on a charge that he issued millions of dollars to Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman in an effort to obtain a high-level position in the Trump administration. See more

A federal judge in Manhattan ruled against a request from Mr. Trump to block Deutsche Bank from complying with congressional subpoenas seeking his detailed financial records. See more

Federal Criminal Investigations
Federal prosecutors are pursuing more than a dozen criminal investigations that grew out of the work of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. These are the ones we know about. Select an investigation to see more.


1.

Trump inaugural committee
donations and spending
Southern District of New York
Inauguration

2.

Trump inaugural committee donations /
committee chairman’s ties to Middle East
Eastern District of New York
Associate

Inauguration

3.

Business and political dealings of top fund-raiser
for Trump’s campaign and inauguration
Justice Department’s public integrity section
Associate

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

4.

Possible role of Trump and others
in concealing hush money payments
Southern District of New York
Business

Campaign

Presidency

5.

Whether Trump’s lawyers offered
presidential pardon to Cohen
Southern District of New York
Presidency

6.

Allegations of inflated insurance claims
Southern District of New York
Business

7.

Pending prosecution of Roger J. Stone Jr.
United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia
Campaign

8.

Possible lobbying violations by firms recruited
by former Trump campaign chairman
Southern District of New York

9.

Pending prosecution of former Manafort associate
United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia

10.

Bank officer who sought Trump administration job
Southern District of New York
State and Local Investigations
Authorities in New York, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., are also examining Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates through various — mostly civil — investigations.


11.

Trump Organization insurance practices
New York Department of Financial Services
Business

12.

Contributions to Trump inaugural committee
New Jersey attorney general
Inauguration

13.

Role of Trump’s children and
businesses in Trump’s inauguration
District of Columbia attorney general
Business

Inauguration

14.

Pending criminal prosecution of Manafort
on state mortgage fraud charges
Manhattan district attorney
Associate

15.

Allegations of misused charitable
assets, self-dealing and campaign finance
violations by the Trump Foundation
New York attorney general
Business

Campaign

16.

Allegations that the Trump
Organization inflated financial assets
New York attorney general
Business

17.

Trump family’s tax schemes
New York attorney general
Business

18.

Whether Trump and his family underpaid taxes
New York City
Business
Congressional Investigations
In the months since Democrats took control of the House, several committees have opened inquiries that could turn up politically damaging or embarrassing material or, in the case of the obstruction investigation, lead to impeachment proceedings.


19.

Potential foreign influence over Trump
and possible attempts to obstruct justice
House Intelligence Committee
Business

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

20.

Possible role of Trump and others
in concealing hush money payments
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Business

Campaign

Presidency

21.

Possible obstruction of justice and abuse
of power by Trump and his administration
House Judiciary Committee
Business

Campaign

Inauguration

Presidency

22.

Possible abuses of the White
House security clearance process
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

23.

Whether Trump misrepresented his net worth
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Business

24.

Alleged use of private messaging
by White House officials
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

25.

Trump’s tax returns
House Ways and Means Committee
Business

26.

Trump’s communications with Putin
House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform Committees
Presidency

27.

Possible money laundering
House Intelligence and Financial Services Committees
Business

28.

Russian interference in the 2016 election
Senate Intelligence Committee
Campaign

29.

Proposed U.S. nuclear venture in Saudi Arabia
House Oversight and Reform Committee
Presidency

Trump has the resources to take on every one of those and tie them up in court for well past another term. You won’t get to a verdict on any of them. The finality of the Special Council being over is a big issue.

 

[Aussieaceae]

I enjoy political scandal and Trump is a clown, it would be great to see him outed. I just don’t see that happening for political reasons that are kinda obvious.

I hear you, though why are you blaming the Democrats when it should be the Republicans screaming murder, and assuring the Democrats support in the senate for impeachment?

The Republicans are almost commiting obstruction themselves doing this.

All for some stupid shit show about red and blue pride. Blame the Republicans, they're the ones who'll stop impeachment from happening.

 

[Bugeye]

"Exonerated" - spell check's a bitch, and you know what word it was meant to be, bud.

Yeah, it is a binary outcome, either they charge or they do not. Presumption of innocence in our legal system.

 

[Bugeye]

I hear you, though why are you blaming the Democrats when it should be the Republicans screaming murder, and assuring the Democrats support in the senate for impeachment?

The Republicans are almost commiting obstruction themselves doing this.

All for some stupid shit show about red and blue pride. Blame the Republicans, they're the ones who'll stop impeachment from happening.

Republicans rather like having a Republican in the office. They have all the cover they need to not go along with impeachment. Simple political reality. I just observe, not my system!

 

[Moses Mobetta]

See me, if I'm innocent, I cooperate and get on with my life. What he did was drag the thing out costing the taxpayers more money and wasting more time of a valuable resource the FBI. I hope he rots in prison. Fuck republicans

 

[Aussieaceae]

Yeah, it is a binary outcome, either they charge or they do not. Presumption of innocence in our legal system.

Yes, innocent until proven guilty, and fortunate for him it's the right presumption to have. Still doesn't stop me, anyone else from realizing the obvious though.

Republicans rather like having a Republican in the office. They have all the cover they need to not go along with impeachment. Simple political reality. I just observe, not my system!

Unfortunately if you're an American it absolutely is your system, whether you like it or not.