Rasol Highland Landrace - Taming The Himalayan Beast
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Mellow old School
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Interesting strains, will follow...
xtsho
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So how are the plants doing? They should be growing pretty fast.
I recently received some seeds from India and the Himalayan region that I purchased.
Nandi Devi and Kerala.
The seeds originated from The Real Seed Company. I hope they're the real thing. They claim they were collected at the source.
Region: Himalaya
Strain: Nanda Devi
Genetics: Pure Himalayan Resin Landrace
Sourcing: Personally collected at source in Kumaon
Region: Tropical India
Strain: Kerala
Genetics: Pure South Indian Ganja Landrace
Sourcing: Personally collected at source in Idukki District, Kerala
I recently received some seeds from India and the Himalayan region that I purchased.
Nandi Devi and Kerala.
The seeds originated from The Real Seed Company. I hope they're the real thing. They claim they were collected at the source.
Region: Himalaya
Strain: Nanda Devi
Genetics: Pure Himalayan Resin Landrace
Sourcing: Personally collected at source in Kumaon
Region: Tropical India
Strain: Kerala
Genetics: Pure South Indian Ganja Landrace
Sourcing: Personally collected at source in Idukki District, Kerala
Aladdin.khalifa
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@JohnDee Hey John! Growing some colombian Sativa behind a trailer right before a Bob Marley Concert... Wow!! It's not something you can forget 
I wish I had been there, lol.
My favorite landraces are the fast flowering sativas like the Moroccan Beldia, the Kazakh or some Himalayan hash plants.. But Indicas are super cool too.
Ace does some amazing work. They are one of the few true good breeders out there.
Have you sarted a grow journal?
I'm also working with a Cambodian Sativa at the moment..
@Buck5050 Hi Buck, thank you, I appreciate you support
Here we are, 34 days into the flowering phase.
All the plants are healthy, they've been stretching quite a bite as you would expect. The only problem is the herm rate...
When working with landraces, there is always going to be a lot of hermaphrodites (Usually 20 to 50%). This is normal as it is a survival trait. However, I'm breeding out that trait so the goal is to find enough plants that do not herm..
Unfortunately, most Rasol plants have already shown the intersex trait
I hope that I'll be able to find some pure males and females but I am skeptical...
Here is a female (hopefully) at day 34, starting to throw some pistils:
I wish I had been there, lol.My favorite landraces are the fast flowering sativas like the Moroccan Beldia, the Kazakh or some Himalayan hash plants.. But Indicas are super cool too.
Ace does some amazing work. They are one of the few true good breeders out there.
Have you sarted a grow journal?
I'm also working with a Cambodian Sativa at the moment..
@Buck5050 Hi Buck, thank you, I appreciate you support
Here we are, 34 days into the flowering phase.
All the plants are healthy, they've been stretching quite a bite as you would expect. The only problem is the herm rate...
When working with landraces, there is always going to be a lot of hermaphrodites (Usually 20 to 50%). This is normal as it is a survival trait. However, I'm breeding out that trait so the goal is to find enough plants that do not herm..
Unfortunately, most Rasol plants have already shown the intersex trait
I hope that I'll be able to find some pure males and females but I am skeptical...Here is a female (hopefully) at day 34, starting to throw some pistils:
JohnDee
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It was an amazing concert too. At the outdoor stadium at San Diego State. Everybody was passing joints to complete strangers...that sort of concert. And Bob was doing his story telling through dance thing. Never spoke one word in the mike...only singing and to perfection. Beautiful sunny San Diego day.Hey John! Growing some colombian Sativa behind a trailer right before a Bob Marley Concert... Wow!! It's not something you can forget
Sorry I may have exaggerated my indica growing. I guess it was only two strains but both were landrace and I grew them for quite awhile.. I remembered the Paki one...Yarkoum. Nice growing but I liked the Affie better.
Hey, a buddy commented that he thought sativas didn't do well at high altitudes. Told him about your thread. Can you think of any other native high altitude sats?
I'm on the coast so anything goes here. Bummer about the herm issue. I knew native Thai plants had that tendency , but not landraces in general. My indicas never hermed. Maybe I was just lucky...but I try to not stress my plants.
Later,
JD
Aladdin.khalifa
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Hey there @Blakey and @Mellow old School , thank you for your interest guys!!
@xtsho Very interesting strains! The Kerala is going to stretch like crazy!! It is a tropical Sativa with a very longflowering time. But the end product should be well worth the effort..
The Nanda Devi is very particular because the plants that have been growing at high altitudes are much faster-flowering and have fruitier terps than the ones that grow at lowers elevations. Do you know which one you have?
I hope you'll start a grow journal with these
@JohnDee Hi John!
Your buddy Is right because Sativas/NLDs are generally lanky and tall and there is often a lot of wind at high altitudes. Also, the summer is shorter so the plants have to flower faster. That being said, over time, many Sativas have gradually adapted to these elevations by flowering faster and by becoming sturdier. It is the case for the Rasol, Nanda Devi, Malana, Some Kashmiri landraces, some south African Landraces and many others..
Did you grow these Indicas outdoors? Outdoor plants rarely herm even though they may carry the herm trait/gene. It takes several generations indoors to breed out the herm trait from a landrace. However, some landraces have higher herm tendencies than others..
@xtsho Very interesting strains! The Kerala is going to stretch like crazy!! It is a tropical Sativa with a very longflowering time. But the end product should be well worth the effort..
The Nanda Devi is very particular because the plants that have been growing at high altitudes are much faster-flowering and have fruitier terps than the ones that grow at lowers elevations. Do you know which one you have?
I hope you'll start a grow journal with these
@JohnDee Hi John!
Your buddy Is right because Sativas/NLDs are generally lanky and tall and there is often a lot of wind at high altitudes. Also, the summer is shorter so the plants have to flower faster. That being said, over time, many Sativas have gradually adapted to these elevations by flowering faster and by becoming sturdier. It is the case for the Rasol, Nanda Devi, Malana, Some Kashmiri landraces, some south African Landraces and many others..
Did you grow these Indicas outdoors? Outdoor plants rarely herm even though they may carry the herm trait/gene. It takes several generations indoors to breed out the herm trait from a landrace. However, some landraces have higher herm tendencies than others..
JohnDee
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No...I was growing indoors. I lived in Iowa and they would have done fine outdoors...just no place to grow.
I was perusing a seed site and saw seeds for a Nepal Highland strain. Sounded nice but my plate is full right now. Happy 4/20
Cheers,
JD
xtsho
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As far as the Nanda Devi goes all I have to go by is the description. I hope it's accurate. I'll be growing these out within two months. It will definitely be a seed run. Hopefully more females than males so I can let a female grow unseeded. But my main goal is to make seeds.Hey there @Blakey and @Mellow old School , thank you for your interest guys!!
@xtsho Very interesting strains! The Kerala is going to stretch like crazy!! It is a tropical Sativa with a very longflowering time. But the end product should be well worth the effort..
The Nanda Devi is very particular because the plants that have been growing at high altitudes are much faster-flowering and have fruitier terps than the ones that grow at lowers elevations. Do you know which one you have?
I hope you'll start a grow journal with these
@JohnDee Hi John!
Your buddy Is right because Sativas/NLDs are generally lanky and tall and there is often a lot of wind at high altitudes. Also, the summer is shorter so the plants have to flower faster. That being said, over time, many Sativas have gradually adapted to these elevations by flowering faster and by becoming sturdier. It is the case for the Rasol, Nanda Devi, Malana, Some Kashmiri landraces, some south African Landraces and many others..
Did you grow these Indicas outdoors? Outdoor plants rarely herm even though they may carry the herm trait/gene. It takes several generations indoors to breed out the herm trait from a landrace. However, some landraces have higher herm tendencies than others..
Region: Himalaya
Strain: Nanda Devi
Genetics: Pure Himalayan Resin Landrace
Sourcing: Personally collected at source in Kumaon
Purpose: Charas (hand-rubbed)
Latitude: 29° N
Harvest: Mid-August to mid-September
Height: 2 - 4 metres outdoors
Aroma: Floral; tangy; spicy; herbal females than males so I can
Characteristics: Fast-flowering; soaring high; hardy; humidity tolerant
https://therealseedcompany.com/products.php?product_id=22
Aladdin.khalifa
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@JohnDee Hi John! Usually when plants don't herm indoors, then you know that they are sexually stable as indoor cultivation stresses the plants way more than when you grow outdoors.
It's frustrating to live in a place where the weather is good but without enough space to grow outdoors... Guerrilla Growing comes in handy in this situation
Thank you John, I hope you had an awesome 4/20 as well!
@xtsho I've never grown the Nanda Devi myself but I was told that the high-altitude plants develop some very fruity terpenes! And it's also fast-flowering because at these altitudes, the plants need to reproduce before the winter and the snow comes..
Kudos to you for making seeds and helping preserve the endangered landraces of our planet
After 47 days the plants are still stretching though they look like the stretch will soon slow down.
The plants are definitely extremely vigorous and display a typical Himalayan feature, the droopy leaves. I have observed that with other Himalayan landraces. The plants seem to be either over or under-watered though they are in fact perfectly healthy!!
I hope that the few plants that are left will not herm.. fingers crossed.
Here they are 47 days into their flowering Cycle:
Cheers,
Al
It's frustrating to live in a place where the weather is good but without enough space to grow outdoors... Guerrilla Growing comes in handy in this situation
Thank you John, I hope you had an awesome 4/20 as well!
@xtsho I've never grown the Nanda Devi myself but I was told that the high-altitude plants develop some very fruity terpenes! And it's also fast-flowering because at these altitudes, the plants need to reproduce before the winter and the snow comes..
Kudos to you for making seeds and helping preserve the endangered landraces of our planet
After 47 days the plants are still stretching though they look like the stretch will soon slow down.
The plants are definitely extremely vigorous and display a typical Himalayan feature, the droopy leaves. I have observed that with other Himalayan landraces. The plants seem to be either over or under-watered though they are in fact perfectly healthy!!
I hope that the few plants that are left will not herm.. fingers crossed.
Here they are 47 days into their flowering Cycle:
Cheers,
Al
JohnDee
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Hi Al,Guerrilla Growing comes in handy in this situation
I actually did try a guerilla grow...a bowhunter friend had access to some hunting land...we planted but when we returned for harvest, we didn't find a single plant. I suspected deer. But now I'm too old to be messing with that...young guys game.
I haven't started a thread and right now...there's really not much happening in the garden. Early 12/12 with hybrids. But I'll be vegging the GT and Kali Mist freebies so by mid-summer I should be starting to flower my sativas.
People must think we/re nuts to grow these...and maybe they're correct! Plant looking good but I wanted to ask about the droopy leaves. Was it just watered...or maybe just woke up...
Cheers,
JD
xtsho
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@JohnDee Hi John! Usually when plants don't herm indoors, then you know that they are sexually stable as indoor cultivation stresses the plants way more than when you grow outdoors.
It's frustrating to live in a place where the weather is good but without enough space to grow outdoors... Guerrilla Growing comes in handy in this situation
Thank you John, I hope you had an awesome 4/20 as well!
@xtsho I've never grown the Nanda Devi myself but I was told that the high-altitude plants develop some very fruity terpenes! And it's also fast-flowering because at these altitudes, the plants need to reproduce before the winter and the snow comes..
Kudos to you for making seeds and helping preserve the endangered landraces of our planet
After 47 days the plants are still stretching though they look like the stretch will soon slow down.
The plants are definitely extremely vigorous and display a typical Himalayan feature, the droopy leaves. I have observed that with other Himalayan landraces. The plants seem to be either over or under-watered though they are in fact perfectly healthy!!
I hope that the few plants that are left will not herm.. fingers crossed.
Here they are 47 days into their flowering Cycle:
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Cheers,
Al
Cool!
I currently have a strain called Purple Paro Valley that I'm going to put in flower shortly. It supposedly comes from Paro Valley in Bhutan which borders China. It has similar growth characteristics as your Rasol. It's supposedly predominately sativa. It came from Mandala Seeds. I had a pack of three fems. Only two sprouted and I gave one away. I'm going to take a couple clones, reverse one with STS, and make more seeds. I wish I had regular seeds but feminized is all that is available to me. But I wish I could get seeds directly from the source like you are able to do.
Aladdin.khalifa
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@JohnDee Yes, there is no guaranty when it comes to guerilla growing, it's hard work and you may end up with nothing. Yet at the same time, the insvestment is minimal and you can harvest a lot so there's always a trade-off
Sorry but which strain does GT stand for? I'm looking forward to seeing how that kali mist performs...
No, not at all. When I took the picture the plants had been watered the day before and the lights had been on for over 10 hours.
Actually, the Rasol plants are the only ones with that structure, all the other plants I have going aren't doing that.
@xtsho Hey man! I just had a look at that Purple Paro on the Mandala website and she really looks amazing! Yes it's better to keep landraces in their regular form tho there is nothing wrong with fems. As a breeder, if you create a fem line, you'll end up with more uniformity and less hermaphroditism than if they were regs.
Yes, I've been lucky enough to travel to a few countries looking for landraces but I've also been able to acquire a lot of them through networking and trading beans.
Do you prefer working with STS or CS?
Hey there growers!!
The Rasol plants have been in 12/12 for 63 days now and they are huge!! Fortunately they are now focusing most of their energy into producing flowers.
There are no more herms in sight for now (Fingers crossed).
The Rasol landrace is one of the lightest feeders I've seen. The plants are still dark green with a little bit of leaf clawing despite giving them nothing but straight water. That combined with its amazing vigor make that strain very interesting for creating vigorous low-maintenance hybrids.
It is really hard to take a good picture because of the size of these monsters but here they are:
Cheers,
Al
Sorry but which strain does GT stand for? I'm looking forward to seeing how that kali mist performs...
No, not at all. When I took the picture the plants had been watered the day before and the lights had been on for over 10 hours.
Actually, the Rasol plants are the only ones with that structure, all the other plants I have going aren't doing that.
@xtsho Hey man! I just had a look at that Purple Paro on the Mandala website and she really looks amazing! Yes it's better to keep landraces in their regular form tho there is nothing wrong with fems. As a breeder, if you create a fem line, you'll end up with more uniformity and less hermaphroditism than if they were regs.
Yes, I've been lucky enough to travel to a few countries looking for landraces but I've also been able to acquire a lot of them through networking and trading beans.
Do you prefer working with STS or CS?
Hey there growers!!
The Rasol plants have been in 12/12 for 63 days now and they are huge!! Fortunately they are now focusing most of their energy into producing flowers.
There are no more herms in sight for now (Fingers crossed).
The Rasol landrace is one of the lightest feeders I've seen. The plants are still dark green with a little bit of leaf clawing despite giving them nothing but straight water. That combined with its amazing vigor make that strain very interesting for creating vigorous low-maintenance hybrids.
It is really hard to take a good picture because of the size of these monsters but here they are:
Cheers,
Al
xtsho
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I prefer STS to CS just because I've had better success with it and I can just mix up the chemicals and know exactly what I have. No CS generator needed. I just mix it when I need it. And it works.
Here's a picture of the Purple Paro Valley. She looks a little beat up but she's healthy. I've had to supercrop her a few times because she was outgrowing everything else in the tent. She's just starting to flower so once she gets going she should look much better. She was really stretching bad. I'd like to grow outdoors but even though it's legal where I'm at I don't want ten foot pot plants for my neighbors to see. I live in a neighborhood with people that probably don't smoke and kids around. I even have a police officer that lives three houses down. I talk to him all the time. Real nice guy. But I don't want the attention a big pot plant will attract so I grow indoors.
I also just got another order of seeds from The Real Seed Company. Kumaoni, Chitrali, Mazar-i-Sharif, and Syrian landraces. So I'll have plenty of stuff to play with for awhile.
Purple Paro Valley. I feel bad for beating her up but supercropping is a good method for plant control and my main method. I cropped every top some more than once. She was getting out of control.
Here's a picture of the Purple Paro Valley. She looks a little beat up but she's healthy. I've had to supercrop her a few times because she was outgrowing everything else in the tent. She's just starting to flower so once she gets going she should look much better. She was really stretching bad. I'd like to grow outdoors but even though it's legal where I'm at I don't want ten foot pot plants for my neighbors to see. I live in a neighborhood with people that probably don't smoke and kids around. I even have a police officer that lives three houses down. I talk to him all the time. Real nice guy. But I don't want the attention a big pot plant will attract so I grow indoors.
I also just got another order of seeds from The Real Seed Company. Kumaoni, Chitrali, Mazar-i-Sharif, and Syrian landraces. So I'll have plenty of stuff to play with for awhile.
Purple Paro Valley. I feel bad for beating her up but supercropping is a good method for plant control and my main method. I cropped every top some more than once. She was getting out of control.
Aladdin.khalifa
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@JohnDee Hello John! Thank you man I really appreciate it.
Golder Tiger sounds like a winner. Crossing 2 pure sativas from a completely different geographical area to create a pure Sativa/NLD F1, that is cool. I have a lot of respect for the work that the team at ACE is doing.
@xtsho Hey there Xtsho, that is true, STS is generally more efficient and it's easy to mix up, it's just a bit dangerous because of the toxicity. Colloidal silver at a 40 to 50 ppm concentration also works great but you have the apply it 1 to 3 times a days so that's not very convenient.. Both have pros and cons...
Your Paro Valley looks good man! I like how you trained her. She didn't stretch too much and that's probably thanks to the supercropping that you've done. Nice work
The Rasol is a beast, the plants stretched even more than I expected. As soon as it seemed to have settled down, I transplanted them from their 1 gal/3 liter pots to some 1.5 gal/5 liter pots. I used some organic Biobizz lightmix and didn't ad any amendment. Just the nutrients contained in the light mix were enough for some leaves to claw down as if they had too much nitrogen.. Since i've been giving them straight water, I am really surprised by how few nutrients they need in order to thrive.
Modern hybrids require so much more nutrients!!
The plants are starting to get a little frosty now.. with a very nice smell.
Pictures coming soon
Golder Tiger sounds like a winner. Crossing 2 pure sativas from a completely different geographical area to create a pure Sativa/NLD F1, that is cool. I have a lot of respect for the work that the team at ACE is doing.
@xtsho Hey there Xtsho, that is true, STS is generally more efficient and it's easy to mix up, it's just a bit dangerous because of the toxicity. Colloidal silver at a 40 to 50 ppm concentration also works great but you have the apply it 1 to 3 times a days so that's not very convenient.. Both have pros and cons...
Your Paro Valley looks good man! I like how you trained her. She didn't stretch too much and that's probably thanks to the supercropping that you've done. Nice work
The Rasol is a beast, the plants stretched even more than I expected. As soon as it seemed to have settled down, I transplanted them from their 1 gal/3 liter pots to some 1.5 gal/5 liter pots. I used some organic Biobizz lightmix and didn't ad any amendment. Just the nutrients contained in the light mix were enough for some leaves to claw down as if they had too much nitrogen.. Since i've been giving them straight water, I am really surprised by how few nutrients they need in order to thrive.
Modern hybrids require so much more nutrients!!
The plants are starting to get a little frosty now.. with a very nice smell.
Pictures coming soon
Aladdin.khalifa
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Hello,
Here are a couple of pictures of the Rasol plants 74 days into their flowering cycle.
Now that they are starting to get frosty, the smell is changing.. they buds still smell like eucalyptus and mint but now there's also a sweet vanilla smell in the mix.
Cheers,
Here are a couple of pictures of the Rasol plants 74 days into their flowering cycle.
Now that they are starting to get frosty, the smell is changing.. they buds still smell like eucalyptus and mint but now there's also a sweet vanilla smell in the mix.
Cheers,
Oldschooldude
Active Member
So cool. Sativas are wonderful and worth the disciplined patient grow. Watching this journal 'fer sure. You ask is any of us grew some landrace my answer is def. yes ty. lol Mazar, Malawi Gold, Did a hybrid (thai-tantic by flying dutchman co) choc thai outside, 17 foot. simply butt kicking herb. Western Winds grew out to be all its hyped to be too. Had three Zamaldelicas but i killed them w too hot a soil mix, would like to try it again in proper soil. currently holding original cross of afghan og and super skunk from a 30 yr private collection, 3 phenos total, once clones are produced and secured ill hit the switch on those. Well good luck out there, this is great to see.
JohnDee
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Good Morning RUI,
Aladdin...how tall are those plant in your most recent post? Hard to get a perspective. Look to be over 4'...how's my guess?
I've been practicing mainline training to prepare for training the sativas. Attached is a Kali Mist shot. I sort of screwed the pooch on my manifold training. I was remembering things from both Nugbucket and Nebulas method. Best to stick to one or the other. I topped the secondary stems at node 2 and all my branches are all lined up. But they also have been topped so what this is...is a mainline plant converted to Nebulas method in midstream. Onward and upward...
JD
PS this is the plant with extra long petioles. Longest one is 4" Also @ Oldschooldude Both Aladdin and I are Kali Mist fans. Western Winds is the same strain...correct?
Aladdin...how tall are those plant in your most recent post? Hard to get a perspective. Look to be over 4'...how's my guess?
I've been practicing mainline training to prepare for training the sativas. Attached is a Kali Mist shot. I sort of screwed the pooch on my manifold training. I was remembering things from both Nugbucket and Nebulas method. Best to stick to one or the other. I topped the secondary stems at node 2 and all my branches are all lined up. But they also have been topped so what this is...is a mainline plant converted to Nebulas method in midstream. Onward and upward...
JD
PS this is the plant with extra long petioles. Longest one is 4" Also @ Oldschooldude Both Aladdin and I are Kali Mist fans. Western Winds is the same strain...correct?
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Oldschooldude
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indeed it is having just looked that up. i recall each being sold separately so 'lil confused about how i missed that. btw i like mainlining, lst work on my plants, my issue is stressing over whether or not i vegged enough for a decent yield bc i over think it lol. yours looks really good when will you flip?
JohnDee
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Hi Osd,
I'm an old timer just getting back to growing and in a new location. So I'm sort of figuring it out as I go along here. I have a bit of a perpetual harvest. Unplanned...just worked out that way. I have two plants about a month from harvest. At that point I'll put the most ready of my sativas. Got 3 Kali Mist and 3 Golden Tiigers plus I was gifted some free seeds for a cbd strain so wanted to run two of those. So some will start arouund early July and the rest by end of July. Or that's the plan...
JD
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