Is Gay Marriage Really That Big Deal?
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ccodiane
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I think lesbians are hot!
CrackerJax
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I'm getting the idea that if ccodaine was around in 1920, he would have been fighting against women getting the vote.
Since using the very same logic, that historically, there was no precedent for women in the modern ages, ever being allowed to vote.
If it is not because of tradition (biblical or not), then what is it?
out.
Since using the very same logic, that historically, there was no precedent for women in the modern ages, ever being allowed to vote.
If it is not because of tradition (biblical or not), then what is it?
out.
ccodiane
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So, using the same logic, if you were around in the 20's you would have favored a national ban on alcohol. That's the way to go to decide socially accepted practices, right? National intervention.
It's about the right to dictate social standards. As voters.
ccodiane
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History of women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Women's suffrage in individual states
In addition to the strategy to obtain full suffrage through a constitutional amendment, reformers pursued state by the state campaigns to build support for, or to win residentially-based state suffrage. Towns, counties, states and territories granted suffrage, in full or limited throughout the 19th and early 20th century. In part, responding --as it was granted-- to the new right to vote, women began running for, and being elected to, public office: school board, county clerk, state legislature, judgeships, and eventually, shortly before ratification of the 19th Amendment, Congress. To make the point that women were interested in partisan politics and would be effective public officials, in the 19th century two women ran for the presidency: Victoria Woodhull in 1872 and Belva Lockwood in 1884, and again, in 1888. Neither was permitted under the law to vote, but nothing in the law prevented them from running for office. Each woman pointed to this irony in her campaigning. Lockwood ran a fuller, more national campaign than Woodhull, giving speeches across the country and organizing several electoral tickets. (Norgren, Belva Lockwood, chapter 10).
Women's suffrage in individual states
In addition to the strategy to obtain full suffrage through a constitutional amendment, reformers pursued state by the state campaigns to build support for, or to win residentially-based state suffrage. Towns, counties, states and territories granted suffrage, in full or limited throughout the 19th and early 20th century. In part, responding --as it was granted-- to the new right to vote, women began running for, and being elected to, public office: school board, county clerk, state legislature, judgeships, and eventually, shortly before ratification of the 19th Amendment, Congress. To make the point that women were interested in partisan politics and would be effective public officials, in the 19th century two women ran for the presidency: Victoria Woodhull in 1872 and Belva Lockwood in 1884, and again, in 1888. Neither was permitted under the law to vote, but nothing in the law prevented them from running for office. Each woman pointed to this irony in her campaigning. Lockwood ran a fuller, more national campaign than Woodhull, giving speeches across the country and organizing several electoral tickets. (Norgren, Belva Lockwood, chapter 10).
hom36rown
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So you would vote against gays having equal rights, because it is your right to do so...that doesnt really answer much of anything....WHY WOULD YOU VOTE AGAINST IT, not why do you think there should be a vote on it....
cleatis
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You're absolutely right those pinko, socialist, commie, godless liberal bastards are the only ones that hide behind issues to push their agenda - I mean no one else would do that - not at all; republicans would never hide behind an issue like, say, terrorism to press their agenda. It's just those damn liberals!
EDIT: Also, I want to ask, how is it NOT a violation of ones rights to tell them who they can and cannot marry? How is that hiding behind anything?
joepro
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I'm far from being a liberal and I'm for gay marriage, because it's only fair.
See how easy it is to answer a question.
civil rights, environmental issues?
why can't you simply answer the fuckin question!?
Why don't you personaly support gay marriage?
show me that jump shot, nothing but net, right?
...more like throwing up a brick at this point.
ccodiane
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You three (four) (five) (six) bricks just don't (can't?) get it. It's not about what I think, it's about what we think, collectively. We live in a society governed by "We the People". Laws give order to our lives, and our society. Laws are implemented by imperfect human beings, you and me. Reality, fellas.
Did you see the bit on the 19th Amendment. You see how that worked? States gave women the right to vote, and hold office, long before they had the right, nationally, to vote. The feds followed suit.
This is how the republic was meant to work. The states are experiment stations which will adjust to the whims of the population of each state. The eventual result of these 50 experiment stations will be a national law, or a Constitutional Amendment, implemented on the basis of what has been shown to work, in the states, and what is socially acceptable, nationally, extrapolated from the states examples.
You dunces get caught up in, "Your this and I'm that". Your relatively dull individuals, and I'm not. Despite that fact, we still all should get a say. "Homos" and "lesbos" included.
Did you see the bit on the 19th Amendment. You see how that worked? States gave women the right to vote, and hold office, long before they had the right, nationally, to vote. The feds followed suit.
This is how the republic was meant to work. The states are experiment stations which will adjust to the whims of the population of each state. The eventual result of these 50 experiment stations will be a national law, or a Constitutional Amendment, implemented on the basis of what has been shown to work, in the states, and what is socially acceptable, nationally, extrapolated from the states examples.
You dunces get caught up in, "Your this and I'm that". Your relatively dull individuals, and I'm not. Despite that fact, we still all should get a say. "Homos" and "lesbos" included.
ccodiane
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gay-rights_organizations
List of LGBT rights organizations around the world.
Chile
[edit] Colombia
[edit] Cuba
- Cuban National Center for Sex Education (CENESEX)
[edit] Guatemala
[edit] Guyana
[edit] Jamaica
[edit] Netherlands Antilles
[edit] Peru
[edit] United States of America
- African Ancestral Lesbians United for Societal Change
- Alternative Family Project
- American Medical Student Association [1] (AMSA)
- American Medical Association [2][3] (AMA)
- One National Gay & Lesbian Archives
- Affirmation: Gay & Lesbian Mormons (Mormon Church)
- API Equality [4]
- Basic Rights Oregon [5]
- Bash Back [6]
- Bay Area Physicians for Human Rights [7] (BAPHR)
- Cheer, Dorothy, Cheer!
- Children of Lesbians and Gays Everywhere (COLAGE) [8]
- Daughters of Bilitis
- Digital Queers (DQ)
- DignityUSA (Catholic Church)
- EQCA (Equality California) [9]
- Equality Florida [10]
- eQualityGiving [11]
- Equality Arizona [12]
- Equality Maryland [13]
- Equality Mississippi
- Equality North Dakota
- Equality Texas [14]
- Equality Virginia [15]
- Equal Rights Washington [16]
- Fine By Me
- Gay Straight Alliance Network International (GSANI)
- Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders (GLAD)
- Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD)
- Gay and Lesbian Medical Association [17] (GLMA)
- Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network [18](GLSEN)
- Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund and Leadership Institute [19]
- Gay Liberation Front (GLF)
- Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies (GLIFAA) [20]
- Gay Men of African Descent (GMAD)
- Gay Straight Advocates for Education (GSAFE) [21]
- Gay Pride Virginia (GPV) [22]
- GenderPAC (GPAC) [23]
- Georgia Equality
- Gulf Coast TIDE [24]
- Human Rights Campaign (HRC)
- Immigration Equality [25]
- IntegrityUSA (Episcopal Church)
- Kansas Equality Coalition [26]
- Kentucky Equality Federation
- Keshet, Inc. (Keshet, Keshet Boston) [27]
- Lambda Legal [28]
- Lesbian Avengers
- Log Cabin Republicans (LCR)
- Love Makes a Family - Connecticut
- Marriage Equality
- MassEquality [29]
- Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC Churches)
- National Center For Lesbian Rights [30][NCLR]
- National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (The Task Force)
- National Youth Advocacy Coalition (NYAC)
- New Gay Liberation Front
- Our Family Coalition [31]
- Out & Equal
- Out4immigration [32]
- OutFront Minnesota [33]
- Outright Libertarians
- Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)
- Queers and Allies, University of Kansas
- Queer Nation
- Rainbow Health Initiative (RHI) link
- Rainbow Law
- Rainbow Sash
- Safe Schools Coalition of Washington [34]
- Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN) [35]
- Soulforce (organization)
- Southern Association for Gender Education
- Stanislaus PRIDE Center (SPC)
- Stonewall Democrats
- Touro University Gay-Straight Alliance [36] (TUGSA)
- National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE) [37]
- Queer Commission of the Socialist Party USA
- Triangle Foundation [www.tri.org]- Michigan
- The United States Gay and Lesbian United Front
- White Crane Institute
[edit] Uruguay
ccodiane
New Member
You're just naive, Joe. (Fair?) Good for not being liberal, though.
joepro
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I have this really naive idea, you should do yourself a faver and leave this thread alone. You have been pulling horse shit out of your ass for about 10 pages now.
You have NO answer.
That's all you have to say, not 10 pages of silly season.
hom36rown
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and once again, you dodge the question
