Quantum board advice - all white? Or add IR red too?

[JasonFSU]

About to order my first quantum board, upgrading my lighting, I do not have much knowledge about these. My Question: I see a version with 576 x lm301b leds 3000k color temp.

Same kit but another option for a little more money: 504 x lm301b leds and 72 x epistar IR red leds “warm white”

Are the IR reds going to be noticeable difference or just stick to all whites like I see most people using? No clue if helping or hurting on cannabis grow. Thanks in advance

 

[Aqua Man]

This is going to get a debate lol. I would add IR personally It's supplied in nature and provides some benefits to the plants e.g. raises leaf temperature, and increases photosynthesis rates and helps regulate node spacing (i can tell you from experience my HLG-600 3000k with no added IR my plants are squat as fuck even with raising the lights and 8F diff day/night). I won't attempt to explain the exact science behind it someone more versed can do that. But this may help get the convo started.

I have seriously been considering adding to mine for the reason I stated above.

 

[budman410]

It’s debatable, if you can afford it yes do it. Epistar I’ve heard are trash reds. 3500k is from what I heard best of both worlds. I’m testing out some 4K boards with red and far red cutter strips. 3k from what I’ve heard has a fair amount of red already. I don’t know what led experience u already have but it wouldn’t hurt having reds. Help is debatable esp depending on how you grow

 

[oldbeancounter]

This is going to get a debate lol. I would add IR personally It's supplied in nature and provides some benefits to the plants e.g. raises leaf temperature, and increases photosynthesis rates and helps regulate node spacing (i can tell you from experience my HLG-600 3000k with no added IR my plants are squat as fuck even with raising the lights and 8F diff day/night). I won't attempt to explain the exact science behind it someone more versed can do that. But this may help get the convo started.

I have seriously been considering adding to mine for the reason I stated above.

@Aqua Man
before you do that maybe try some 4000K or 5000K samsung strips or even the veg boards HLG 65WATT in 4000k for veg. I tried one and the difference was quick to the better over 3000k.
You will quickly see I difference when raising seedlings.
3000k is great for flower I think, just not veg light.Use the 4000k in flower with the 3000k I bet you see a cheaper change lol
.

You can add red only to your setup as I not sure if you are suggesting buying new boards with red as it is a waste of money as far as I am concerned.
I think you would get it and think veg will be 100 % better as I doubt it that will be the case but hey anything is possible but all I have seen is charts and graphs for the most part which they all are not 100 % correct we will find out as technology changes.
I have red and blue boards coming if you want more info as others helped me find the stuff.

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man
before you do that maybe try some 4000K or 5000K samsung strips or even the veg boards HLG 65WATT in 4000k for veg. I tried one and the difference was quick to the better over 3000k.
You will quickly see I difference when raising seedlings.
3000k is great for flower I think, just not veg light.Use the 4000k in flower with the 3000k I bet you see a cheaper change lol
.

You can add red only to your setup as I not sure if you are suggesting buying new boards with red as it is a waste of money as far as I am concerned.
I think you would get it and think veg will be 100 % better as I doubt it that will be the case but hey anything is possible but all I have seen is charts and graphs for the most part which they all are not 100 % correct we will find out as technology changes.
I have red and blue boards coming if you want more info as others helped me find the stuff.

Actually I was thinking adding just It but you make a good point I could just purchase 4k boards and just swap em between veg and flower I'm not sure how much that would help but the boards aren't overly expensive. I still think some added IR would benefit me though

 

[oldbeancounter]

Actually I was thinking adding just It but you make a good point I could just purchase 4k boards and just swap em between veg and flower I'm not sure how much that would help but the boards aren't overly expensive. I still think some added IR would benefit me though

IR yes I think it will help, so will 4000k or 5000k
UVB also adds leaf heat
This "full spectrum " one spectrum like 3000k does all is BS but that's just my thought.
Any idea what you will go with?

 

[Aqua Man]

If I went UV just the reptile for now and if i see some results I will upgrade from there. I think HLG sells some small far red strips now that i could attach and wire into my HLG-600. And grabbing those 4000k boards does sound like a good idea if nothing more than a little more optimal to switch between 3000k-4000k for flower/veg

 

[oldbeancounter]

If I went UV just the reptile for now and if i see some results I will upgrade from there. I think HLG sells some small far red strips now that i could attach and wire into my HLG-600. And grabbing those 4000k boards does sound like a good idea if nothing more than a little more optimal to switch between 3000k-4000k for flower/veg

https://atreumlighting.com/collections/all
Mike cheaper than HLG at least for the 4000K veg boards.
Maybe a bar light with a driver that has all that red you will want to try.
https://atreumlighting.com/products/ara-20-led-light-bar
plushttps://atreumlighting.com/products/meanwell-hlg-60h-54-led-driver-60w
has higher nm at 3600K
far red wont do much you need lower nm more to heat canopy and that strip would do it.
or
https://rapidledca.com/
take your pic, are you US or Canada perhaps?
where you live helps lesson price for certain places

 

[Aqua Man]

https://atreumlighting.com/collections/all
Mike cheaper than HLG at least for the 4000K veg boards.
Maybe a bar light with a driver that has all that red you will want to try.
https://atreumlighting.com/products/ara-20-led-light-bar
plushttps://atreumlighting.com/products/meanwell-hlg-60h-54-led-driver-60w
has higher nm at 3600K
far red wont do much you need lower nm more to heat canopy and that strip would do it.
or
https://rapidledca.com/
take your pic, are you US or Canada perhaps?
where you live helps lesson price for certain places

Thanks I appreciate the time and info. Definately will check these out once I get home. I'm in Canada

 

[oldbeancounter]

rapidled.com has more stuff like this

https://www.rapidled.com/red/
Us funds, costs to ship but more selection I think
if your handy make a Little 5 star light it will tell ya what what ya wanna know
Hlg is not about to stock red strips , they are pushing those red boards.
pick up the far red i think it is a waste of money personally zero proof it works its a theory or marketing campaign take your pick.

 

[The Winston]

I got red strip for my HLG550v2

Just need to buy the driver, I’m excited to try it not sure what it will do it’s only one strip but I suppose you can always add more

 

[The Winston]

HLG are selling red strips though?

 

[Aqua Man]

HLG are selling red strips though?

https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/all/products/hlg-35

 

[The Winston]

@Aqua Man
That’s what I’ve got, just need to buy the driver and cable now haha

 

[Strudelheim]

Hey I have the HLG 550 V2 4K, I use it for VEG right now, but was wondering what exactly the difference in results would be if I flowered with this 4K VEG light, Is it similar for example to someone flowering with MH or CMH? As I know people get similiar yields with those, maybe 10% less than HPS, but they say quality is slightly better in exchange (maybe more trichomes/frost, more dense less larf, more terpenes - that kind of a thing).

Any experience appreciated in flowering with the 4K spectrum THX

 

[hybridway2]

rapidled.com has more stuff like this

https://www.rapidled.com/red/
Us funds, costs to ship but more selection I think
if your handy make a Little 5 star light it will tell ya what what ya wanna know
Hlg is not about to stock red strips , they are pushing those red boards.
pick up the far red i think it is a waste of money personally zero proof it works its a theory or marketing campaign take your pick.

ZERO PROOF HU??? OK, Peep Bruce Bugbees Forgot Photon You-Tube video.
In almost all crops 20% (i forgot) a higher yeild & better structure was accomplished using 50 micromohles less light = less power/w & added 50 micromohles of Far Red, IR/730-40nm still with reduced wattage.
I've shown several differences in my threads as well using properly Enhanced white spectrums vs. White led.
If you can't tell there's something different with the structure & flower time under your white leds its prob because you have never used, HPS, MH, CMH or Properly Enhanced White led.
Many wonder why they foxtail even under lower light levels. Well, no ir or short on 630/660 which can somewhat compensate in larger amounts then the majority use.
630/660/730 = Emmerson Effect as well as color to your bud. My white led bud is bland in comparison.
Not trying to burst anyone's bubble. I highly recommend that all white QB users grab some HLG red strips to add or any of the enhancements strips they offer. But deffinetly add the Far Red.
Many will be in for a rude awakening when the Apogee releases a par meter reading outside the outdated McCree Curve.