Which pump for flooming?

Sam&Max

Active Member
I dont want to use airstones.

I need to floom a rain water barell with the size of around 500 liters or 130 gallons.
And then I need to floom also a 150 liter reservoir or around 40 gallons.

I am not really sure what pump (specs) I should choose for flooming.
Also how often I need to floom.

Any recommendation?

Can I use my flooming pumps also for mixing the nutrients?
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
I dont want to use airstones.

I need to floom a rain water barell with the size of around 500 liters or 130 gallons.
And then I need to floom also a 150 liter reservoir or around 40 gallons.

I am not really sure what pump (specs) I should choose for flooming.
Also how often I need to floom.

Any recommendation?

Can I use my flooming pumps also for mixing the nutrients?
As for the sizes, 400-500 on the barrel and 200-300 in an active res.
But forget flooming my dude. Build Venturi valves for them, with reeeeeeally long intake tubes so you can get them down center or bottom of the barrel. They bring in SO MUCH oxygen bubbles without an air pump its ridiculous.

Here's how you make em bruh:
Youll need,

-A few(4) 3-6" lengths of 1/2" black vinyl hydro tubing. EBay sold by foot $3ship

-2 3-6" lengths of 5/16" black vinyl tubing.
Also on eBay same seller.

-4-8Feet of 1/4" irrigation line. Home Depot

-2 poke through connector couplings for the irrigation line.

-the specific tool for poking holes in tubing for a tight seal with the couplings.

-roll of Teflon plumbers thread tape

-one set of MARINE HEATSHRINK TUBING from Harbor Freight.

-A sharp sharp blade and that's it!!

Then you just build this:

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You should be able to get the jist of it with those pix I'd have to think. But then when it's built, you can cut the lengths of 1/2" to whatever size you want for a short one or a bit longer. The smaller tubing is really only 2-3" long, but start with bigger pieces and cut down. Just make sure it slides into the 1/2" tubing about an inch or so. Be sure to use the Teflon tape here like in the pics to get a VERY snug fit.

The most important aspect you CANT FORGET is shown in one of the pics on the poke in coupling. You'll notice it has a 45* angle on it. You'll need to cut that. Buy a bag of 10 of these (minimum anyways) and try different angles to see what you like but that is the whole concept of this design. The water is compressed from 1/2" down to 5/16" and the coupling draws in air to compensate for the reduction in pressure. So when you stick this on the end of your 1/2" fitting on the pumps, which should both have that size at those gphs, it shoots out oxygen rich aerated water. Make sure that length of irrigation tube is long and above the water level maybe hanging off the edge of the barrel and taped half way down the side or whatever. Just needs to be able to pull in air. You'll also notice when you turn that coupling 180*, it will instead squirt water FROM the tube instead of pulling air in, so that's kinda cool. Just make sure it's the right way and feel free to epoxy or some kind of waterproof seal it in place and get a good seal on the connection too. You'll be able to tell as you turn it when it's at the best spot and delivers the most bubbling.

That took effort to reply. Hope you go this route. you'll be happy you did.
Take a few pics if Ya do and let us know how well it worked for you. It's literally a 5 minute build. No tools. Lighter works fine to shrink the tubing but a Heat Gun is obviously ideal and better for sure.
You MUST use marine grade heatshrink though because it has glue on the inside wall that melts as well as shrinks to form a water tight seal. So make sure you get it fairly warm to melt that glue good and evenly.
 
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Sam&Max

Active Member
Thank you very much! I will these instructions in mind.

"As for the sizes, 400-500 on the barrel and 200-300 in an active res"
What is it, gallons per hour, or liters per hour?
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
All this venturi is, is a small piece of tubing you shove on the end of your pump. Just like you'd do with flooming. I really recommend you try it. I've used the commercial ones for injection through garden hoses and shit, they don't work at all as well as these DIY ones in my experience
 

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
I suppose you could get clear tubing or whatever they have at Lowe's or Home Depot too. It's not really necessary to buy it online. Just to simplify things. Not sure if they'll have 5/16" I.d. though.
 

ThaMagnificent

Well-Known Member
As for the sizes, 400-500 on the barrel and 200-300 in an active res.
But forget flooming my dude. Build Venturi valves for them, with reeeeeeally long intake tubes so you can get them down center or bottom of the barrel. They bring in SO MUCH oxygen bubbles without an air pump its ridiculous.

Here's how you make em bruh:
Youll need,

-A few(4) 3-6" lengths of 1/2" black vinyl hydro tubing. EBay sold by foot $3ship

-2 3-6" lengths of 5/16" black vinyl tubing.
Also on eBay same seller.

-4-8Feet of 1/4" irrigation line. Home Depot

-2 poke through connector couplings for the irrigation line.

-the specific tool for poking holes in tubing for a tight seal with the couplings.

-roll of Teflon plumbers thread tape

-one set of MARINE HEATSHRINK TUBING from Harbor Freight.

-A sharp sharp blade and that's it!!

Then you just build this:

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You should be able to get the jist of it with those pix I'd have to think. But then when it's built, you can cut the lengths of 1/2" to whatever size you want for a short one or a bit longer. The smaller tubing is really only 2-3" long, but start with bigger pieces and cut down. Just make sure it slides into the 1/2" tubing about an inch or so. Be sure to use the Teflon tape here like in the pics to get a VERY snug fit.

The most important aspect you CANT FORGET is shown in one of the pics on the poke in coupling. You'll notice it has a 45* angle on it. You'll need to cut that. Buy a bag of 10 of these (minimum anyways) and try different angles to see what you like but that is the whole concept of this design. The water is compressed from 1/2" down to 5/16" and the coupling draws in air to compensate for the reduction in pressure. So when you stick this on the end of your 1/2" fitting on the pumps, which should both have that size at those gphs, it shoots out oxygen rich aerated water. Make sure that length of irrigation tube is long and above the water level maybe hanging off the edge of the barrel and taped half way down the side or whatever. Just needs to be able to pull in air. You'll also notice when you turn that coupling 180*, it will instead squirt water FROM the tube instead of pulling air in, so that's kinda cool. Just make sure it's the right way and feel free to epoxy or some kind of waterproof seal it in place and get a good seal on the connection too. You'll be able to tell as you turn it when it's at the best spot and delivers the most bubbling.

That took effort to reply. Hope you go this route. you'll be happy you did.
Take a few pics if Ya do and let us know how well it worked for you. It's literally a 5 minute build. No tools. Lighter works fine to shrink the tubing but a Heat Gun is obviously ideal and better for sure.
You MUST use marine grade heatshrink though because it has glue on the inside wall that melts as well as shrinks to form a water tight seal. So make sure you get it fairly warm to melt that glue good and evenly.
Bro can you dumb it down even further for me? I've been wanting to make one for years. Please post more detailed step by step instructions!
 

Renfro

Well-Known Member
Some water pumps come with a little venturi setup in the fittings. You may have to extend the little air hose to get it out of the reservoir but the fitting that screws in the pump has a port for it. I know that some of the active aqua pumps come with it.
 

Renfro

Well-Known Member
I think the active aqua 250 is perfect for the job. Just let it run all the time to mix nutes and aerate. For the larger tank you could use the 550 but I think the 250 is plenty since it should be running all the time. I am pretty sure that both of these come with the little venturi option in the bag of fittings. I have one of the 250's in each of my water barrels and in my nutrient reservoir for a flood and drain tent setup.
 

doken125

Member
I don't know your situation. But if you want to aerate any container of water, the venturi is hands down the best thing without air pumps
No dude, it isn't. A venturi only has minor surface agitation.
A stupid waterpump aimed to the surface brings in the most DO 'hands down'.
The problem is, people see bubbles and they instantly think ' woow that must be a lot of DO'.
it's kinda misleading, while in reality the bubbles rising through the watercolumn does allmost nothing to DO levels.
It's the surface agitation and reservoir being pumped around, in relation to water temps which brings it in.
 
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Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
No dude, it isn't. A venturi only has minor surface agitation.
A stupid waterpump aimed to the surface brings in the most DO 'hands down'.
The problem is, people see bubbles and they instantly think ' woow that must be a lot of DO'.
it's kinda misleading, while in reality the bubbles rising through the watercolumn does allmost nothing to DO levels.
It's the surface agitation and reservoir being pumped around, in relation to water temps which brings it in.
I'm aware of that. A venturi goes on a submerged water pump. So I don't see you you dont think adding a venturi valve on it wouldn't help further agitate and mix the water.
 

doken125

Member
The pumps open output circulates the water way better, and gives more surface agitation then if you would add a venturi and transform it into an airstone or air diffuser, which has been proven the least efficient. I citate: 'They bring in SO MUCH oxygen bubbles without an air pump its ridiculous. ' this statement makes me believe that you are still thinking that the amount of "oxygen bubbles" (which aren't oxygen bubbles to begin with but air bubbles) directly correlate to the amount of DO, which has been proven wrong.
 
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Keesje

Well-Known Member
I dont want to use airstones.

I need to floom a rain water barell with the size of around 500 liters or 130 gallons.
And then I need to floom also a 150 liter reservoir or around 40 gallons.
What kind of system are you using?
I am asking because I wonder why you would want oxygen in the water in that rain barrel.
 

Keesje

Well-Known Member
I dont want to use airstones.

I need to floom a rain water barell with the size of around 500 liters or 130 gallons.
And then I need to floom also a 150 liter reservoir or around 40 gallons.
What kind of system are you using?
I am asking because I wonder why you would want oxygen in the water in that rain barell.
 
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