Surprise! Oliver North was too corrupt for the corrupt NRA (or is it the other way around?)

Fogdog

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NRA President Oliver North stepping down as infighting roils the gun-rights group
North's departure comes amid a heated battle with Wayne LaPierre, chief executive officer and the longtime spiritual leader of the NRA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nra-president-oliver-north-stepping-down-infighting-roils-gun-rights-n999181


summary:

The NRA's President, Oliver North, initiated an investigation into Chief Executive LaPierre accepting kickbacks from vendors which caused LaPierre to pressure for North to resign because he was accepting kickbacks from a vendor.




 
Jimdamick

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Fogdog said:
NRA President Oliver North stepping down as infighting roils the gun-rights group
North's departure comes amid a heated battle with Wayne LaPierre, chief executive officer and the longtime spiritual leader of the NRA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nra-president-oliver-north-stepping-down-infighting-roils-gun-rights-n999181


summary:

The NRA's President, Oliver North, initiated an investigation into Chief Executive LaPierre accepting kickbacks from vendors which caused LaPierre to pressure for North to resign because he was accepting kickbacks from a vendor.




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Lapierre turned a foundation that was designed to educate and inform, and actually to bring awareness to loss of habitat for hunting and the safe use of firearms into a doorway to hell.

I was actually an NRA member (can u believe?) and once that insane pos Lapierre took over and started to sell out the NRA to the gun manufacturers and the 2nd Amendment nutfucks, I said fuck this shit, I'm outt'a here.
And that's why it's dying (good fkn riddance), because all that are left in that organization are nut cases.

Oh, did you hear that Trump pulled out of the UN Agreement to curtail arms sales to foreign entities that have human rights violations to appease the NRA?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-us-withdrawal-un-global-arms-treaty-nra-cheering-2019-4

That motherfucker deserves to suck a .308 while his forgotten wife lights a candle. (Happy Bday Honey)

 
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Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
Lapierre turned a foundation that was designed to educate and inform, and actually to bring awareness to loss of habitat for hunting and the safe use of firearms into a doorway to hell.

I was actually an NRA member (can u believe?) and once that insane pos Lapierre took over and started to sell out the NRA to the gun manufacturers and the 2nd Amendment nutfucks, I said fuck this shit, I'm outt'a here.
And that's why it's dying (good fkn riddance), because all that are left in that organization are nut cases.

Oh, did you hear that Trump pulled out of the UN Agreement to curtail arms sales to foreign entities that have human rights violations to appease the NRA?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-us-withdrawal-un-global-arms-treaty-nra-cheering-2019-4

That motherfucker deserves to suck a .308 while his forgotten wife lights a candle. (Happy Bday Honey)

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For years the NRA was like the electrified third rail on subway tracks. Any Democrat that pissed their way was toast. Not any more. I had the privilege of watching a rabid NRA gun nut get walked at work. He was not because of his politics, he was fired because he was inept which explains a lot about the NRA.

Speaking of how far the NRA has strayed from best practices regarding gun safety. When I posted the NRA's own recommendations about safely storing guns, gun nuts replied back that they never follow those guidelines because "they keep the gun loaded in a drawer so that they can get to it quickly". Other people pointed out that there are safes with thumbprint recognition that would allow the gun to be stored safely yet still make it available in moments. But nope, gun nuts insisted on ignoring their own organization's advice:

ALWAYS Keep The Gun Unloaded Until Ready To Use
Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
 
hotrodharley

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What was it? $38 million the NRA spent on getting Trump elected? Why? My late buddy starved in the gun business for 30 years. Until Obama got nominated and after he was inaugurated gun sales went through the roof. He dealt with every major gun supplier in the USA. He could spend hours trying to get orders in for a lousy AR15. This one company makes them and the basic model was $495 MSRP. The goddamned things were going for $1500 if you could even find one. All due to the NRA and their “the libs will take your guns”. I’m sure today’s synagogue shooter will be some right wing Trump loving wacko. Yes I do hold the NRA responsible in large part for the years long propaganda war they’ve waged. Like the piper’s tune to the rats.
 
hotrodharley

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By the way I carry a 1911 in my waistband. I’m not a gun hater. But when you see multiple cases of guys blowing their own junk off and handguns in diaper bags going off in a parking lot and wounding a kid eating in a pizza joint things are just a little too goddamned loose.
 
Fogdog

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hotrodharley said:
By the way I carry a 1911 in my waistband. I’m not a gun hater. But when you see multiple cases of guys blowing their own junk off and handguns in diaper bags going off in a parking lot and wounding a kid eating in a pizza joint things are just a little too goddamned loose.
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At a nearby Walmart a couple of years ago some guy dropped his gun onto the floor when he reached for his wallet. It went off but nobody was hurt so it was just a 1-inch column in the silly news section of our local paper. This happens a lot more often than people think. In the field of safety engineering, this is called a "near miss" and is treated as seriously as if it were a real accident.

But not to gun nuts.
 
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Jimdamick

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US President Donald Trump announced on Friday that the US is withdrawing from a United Nations treaty that regulates the multi-billion dollar arms trade.

Trump told a cheering National Rifle Association in Indianapolis on Friday that the Arms Trade Treaty, with regulates the international weapons trade, was "badly misguided" and said that the US was withdrawing its signature.

The US signed the treaty in 2013 under then-President Barack Obama, but never ratified it. The treaty has been ratified by by 101 countries, according to The Associated Press.

Members of the NRA, which have long opposed the treaty, cheered at Trump's announcement, which he made while imploring gun-owners to vote for him during the 2020 presidential election.


U.S. President Donald Trump shows the crowd a signed document rejecting the UN Arms Trade Treaty at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum at the 148th NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits on April 26, 2019 in Indianapolis, Indiana.
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Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, welcomed the move, The Guardian reported, saying that "Barack Obama and John Kerry tried to force us to accept international gun control under the power of the UN, but Donald Trump has said: 'Not on my watch.'"

Trump said that the treaty would threaten the second amendment.

"My administration will never ratify the UN arms trade treaty," he said. "We're taking our signature back. The United Nations will soon receive a formal notice that America is rejecting this treaty."

Trump said that the US "We will never allow foreign bureaucrats to trample on your second amendment freedom."

Unbelievable, that this cocksucker represents America.
 
Jimdamick

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Fogdog said:
A couple of years ago some guy dropped his gun onto the floor when he reached for his wallet. It went off but nobody was hurt so it was just a 1-inch column in the silly news section of our local paper. This happens a lot more often than people think. In the field of safety engineering, this is called a "near miss" and is treated as seriously as if it were a real accident.

But not to gun nuts.
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As I said before, never have a round chambered.
With a revolver I don't keep a round under the hammer, and with an auto, I never chamber until needed.
 
Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
As I said before, never have a round chambered.
With a revolver I don't keep a round under the hammer, and with an auto, I never chamber until needed.
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Too many people don't. It's they who are going to force changes in gun laws. I've been saying for a while now that it would be best if gun owners in this country took ownership of driving down gun accidents and homicides to the levels seen in other developed countries. But the gun owning community -- which is minority in this country at about 35% of all households -- isn't showing any sign of interest in this.

The trend is that the 65% non gun owners, along with some responsible gun owners, are going to impose their will. Until that time comes, gun owners still have a chance at addressing the problem but will they? Once the tipping point is reached, it's not going to be their decision to make and I'm guessing gun owners aren't going to like it.
 
Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
US President Donald Trump announced on Friday that the US is withdrawing from a United Nations treaty that regulates the multi-billion dollar arms trade.

Trump told a cheering National Rifle Association in Indianapolis on Friday that the Arms Trade Treaty, with regulates the international weapons trade, was "badly misguided" and said that the US was withdrawing its signature.

The US signed the treaty in 2013 under then-President Barack Obama, but never ratified it. The treaty has been ratified by by 101 countries, according to The Associated Press.

Members of the NRA, which have long opposed the treaty, cheered at Trump's announcement, which he made while imploring gun-owners to vote for him during the 2020 presidential election.


U.S. President Donald Trump shows the crowd a signed document rejecting the UN Arms Trade Treaty at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum at the 148th NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits on April 26, 2019 in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Scott Olson/Getty Images
Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, welcomed the move, The Guardian reported, saying that "Barack Obama and John Kerry tried to force us to accept international gun control under the power of the UN, but Donald Trump has said: 'Not on my watch.'"

Trump said that the treaty would threaten the second amendment.

"My administration will never ratify the UN arms trade treaty," he said. "We're taking our signature back. The United Nations will soon receive a formal notice that America is rejecting this treaty."

Trump said that the US "We will never allow foreign bureaucrats to trample on your second amendment freedom."

Unbelievable, that this cocksucker represents America.
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The Taliban will be great customers.
 
too larry

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Fogdog said:
Too many people don't. It's they who are going to force changes in gun laws. I've been saying for a while now that it would be best if gun owners in this country took ownership of driving down gun accidents and homicides to the levels seen in other developed countries. But the gun owning community -- which is minority in this country at about 35% of all households -- isn't showing any sign of interest in this.

The trend is that the 65% non gun owners, along with some responsible gun owners, are going to impose their will. Until that time comes, gun owners still have a chance at addressing the problem but will they? Once the tipping point is reached, it's not going to be their decision to make and I'm guessing gun owners aren't going to like it.
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Keep in mind that 64% of all gun deaths are self inflicted. All the school shootings, urban drive-by's, hunting accidents, police involved shootings and old fashioned murder make up the other 26%.

Not a stat the gun lobby likes to talk about.
 
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too larry said:
Keep in mind that 64% of all gun deaths are self inflicted. All the school shootings, urban drive-by's, hunting accidents, police involved shootings and old fashioned murder make up the other 26%.

Not a stat the gun lobby likes to talk about.
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It is true that guns are most often put to their intended use by the owner on himself. Suicide isn't what I'm talking about. But I will say that I'm not concerned even a little bit about gun owners offing themselves. If that's their choice I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Also, suicide by other means can be messy, so why not sell guns designed just for that purpose? (sick joke but it does show my disdain for the gun owning community)

I'm talking about the completely preventable accidents that happen all too often. I'm talking about gun homicides and people wounded by the unlawful use of guns In those cases, people who are simply in the wrong place at the right time are wounded or killed. I don't understand why the people of this country -- especially gun owners -- haven't addressed this issue. Why can't the US have the same low rates of accidents, and gun homicides that people in Canada have? Why is that such a difficult thing to ask for?
 
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Let's not talk about suicides, which is the choice of the gun owner. Let's talk about shit like this:

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/poway-synagogue-shooting-chabad-way-san-diego-sherrifs-department-509162631.html

A woman has died after shots were fired inside a Poway, California synagogue filled with people celebrating the last day of Passover. A suspect was taken into custody approximately two miles away from the synagogue while three patients were rushed to a nearby hospital.

A 19-year-old San Diego man with a rifle entered Chabad of Poway on Rancho Bernardo Road, west of Interstate 15 at 11:23 a.m. and opened fire on the people inside, law enforcement officials said.

I'm not saying these events can be taken to zero. I'm asking: can we please have the same low rates of these events that other similar countries, like Canada, have?

One obstacle, the corrupt NRA, is withering as more people, not just me, start asking this question.
 
Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
I thought we were friends Foggy, I own multiple weapons, some designed for hunting animals, and some designed to ward off red-necked, Trump luving assholes (gotta balance the books)
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I'm not knocking hunting or hunters. I don't knock farmers or ranchers from owning rifles too. But it would be a lie to say that you are safer with a gun than without one.

I do have great disdain for the gun owning community because they have taken zero ownership for reducing gun homicides and accidents with guns. The only ownership they have taken is to interfere and obstruct efforts to reduce gun violence They even joke about killing people, like you just did. Gun owning community makes me and mine less safe. I'm not the one who created the problem but I'm part of the coalition that will do something about it. So, yeah, in this one issue, I look down on you.
 
dandyrandy

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My favorite story about people shooting themselves was about a popo. I used to work on county popo communications gear back in the 60's. I ran an electronics repair shop. This popo came in to get his TV repaired. I knew him pretty well. He was limping. He patrolled and lived in the only wet area in the county. No alcohol sales except in this particular town on the Ohio River. I said what happened to you? He explained that he was in a bar and took this girl upstairs. He carried a 22mag derringer gut gun as we used to call them. He took his pants off and threw them toward a chair sitting against the wall. The pants hit the wall the derringer in his pocket went off and shot him in the azz. He told his wife he was shot on duty...
 
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