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growingforfun

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Mr.Head said:
Bro... you're getting awfully hostile for someone just looking for answers.

I keep hearing the same thing, but it's all from the same group of folks. The old thread was deleted I think... so what's the deal? Let's hear it.

Calling me a retarded fanboy when I'm just simply asking what he's doing that's so wrong is kinda proving my earlier point about you being overly emotional about all of this.


So your issue is more a business ethics issue rather than an issue with his technique or growing ability. Ok. We're getting somewhere.

What would you say is the norm? People have been S1'ing everything Popular since I started growing Cannabis in 2011, I'm sure they were doing it long before I started growing Cannabis and I'm sure they'll do it long after... this isn't new. Barney's Farm and Greenhouse probably move more seeds than anyone wouldn't that make them the norm?

Heck look at Archive arguing with In House Genetics over Slurricane everyones fighting over money... nothing else, people have been fighting over everything popular forever trying to claim ownership.

He has the cuts, they are his, if he can market the seeds well who are you to say he can't profit from that?

Saying certain folks can have and work with certain things is hording, this isn't making things better... it's limiting who's allowed to work with what and creating a lesser # of possible outcomes towards what we all want... better weed...
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If your using greenhouse and Barneys farms as markers then no shit... that's what we want to avoid... this guy is even below that.

With legalization came a new wave of zero standards and it's sad...

Some people cant get clones. That's fine. Buy quality seeds at least. Or buy this bullshit and please at least tell everyone how you do. Please also buy quality seeds so you know how badly you were ripped off.
 
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growingforfun said:
If your using greenhouse and Barneys farms as markers then no shit... that's what we want to avoid... this guy is even below that.

With legalization came a new wave of zero standards and it's sad...

Some people cant get clones. That's fine. Buy quality seeds at least. Or buy this bullshit and please at least tell everyone how you do. Please also buy quality seeds so you know how badly you were ripped off.
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What's he doing to be below Barneys Farm and Greenhouse? Is Heisen traveling the world destroying ancestral passed down genetics now?

How do you know if Heisen's seeds aren't quality? What has he done wrong in his process that has made plants create poor quality offspring?

Zero standards you say? like how you behave? going around calling people retarded fanboys when confronted about providing evidence to back up your claims.

I don't even get this... it's like i'm talking to the same person.... You're all doing the same shit, you've all been asked multiple times to explain what he's done.... you all avoid answering any sort of questions in regards to his breeding and what he's done wrong...

If he's done nothing wrong breeding wise why will his seeds suck?

If your problem is with the man say it and we can quit going back and forth because him swearing and flipping the bird doesn't bother me at all.
 
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Amos Otis

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growingforfun said:
Loads of tried and true breeders out here... theres almost too many good ones to list, check out the reviews forum.
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Why would I check out the reviews forum? You've presented yourself as someone knowledgeable - you posted the attached below. So I;m asking specifically for your recommendations.

growingforfun said:
If your using greenhouse and Barneys farms as markers then no shit... that's what we want to avoid... this guy is even below that.

With legalization came a new wave of zero standards and it's sad...

Some people cant get clones. That's fine. Buy quality seeds at least. Or buy this bullshit and please at least tell everyone how you do. Please also buy quality seeds so you know how badly you were ripped off.
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IrocZ

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Food for the trolls, haha. The haters gonna hate.

For anybody else, Heisen has given me top notch customer service. In my opinion, he has went above and beyond. He was completely transparent with his breeding processes, posting everything on this very site. I placed a pre-order, and got an immediate response. I simply inquired about the timing of my preorder, and he sent me some bastard seeds for free within 24 hours. I wasn't looking for freebies, but am still very appreciative Heisen sent them out. I now have an original HB Ghost OG Bastard. After receiving the seeds, I noticed 1 of them was cracked. It wasn't a big deal to me, anybody whose ever bought seeds knows you get a bad one once in awhile. Heisen reached out to me, and let me know that he had seen the cracked seed, and that was why I had received 8 when everybody else had only received 6. This dude threw in a freebie with some freebies.

I learned a little bit in high school biology class about genetics. When 2 genetically superior individuals breed their offspring inherit these genes. This is why I'm better looking and smarter than some of you.

Heisen has those genetics, so I'm happy to be his Ghost OG Bastard child.

If your looking for seeds from "elite" cuts, Heisen has them, shoot him an email!

Probably going to go back to ghost mode on RIU, as there are as many trolls as there is good information.
 
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growingforfun

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Amos Otis said:
Why would I check out the reviews forum? You've presented yourself as someone knowledgeable - you posted the attached below. So I;m asking specifically for your recommendations.
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I've personally had a lot of success with tga and some of the bog strains. Some of the bog gear yields too low however, but some is pure fire and good yields as well. Not every tga strain is a homerun but many are. But again, theres loads of great breeders around. People who put in real work instead of simply making fem s1's.

But if you are after fem s1 seeds, then I guess this is your guy
 
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growingforfun said:
I've personally had a lot of success with tga and some of the bog strains. Some of the bog gear yields too low however, but some is pure fire and good yields as well. Not every tga strain is a homerun but many are. But again, theres loads of great breeders around. People who put in real work instead of simply making fem s1's.

But if you are after fem s1 seeds, then I guess this is your guy
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not sure, but most have grown the gear of the two you mentioned and the most common thing mentioned is lack of potency. Taking a chance on an elite fem seed that you'd never get a chance at any other way, as opposed to growing out a pack, pulling males, time and space, etc, some just need meds quicker and better than that. To be honest, and no offense intended whatsoever, up until about 6 yrs ago, Bodhi got the same knock. Afgooey just ain't that strong, but when you start using that special hashplant, the Appy male from H&L, and og's and chems, etc., his gear hit a new level of potency, even searching out the landraces and such that he does. Plus, he seems to have a hell of a library to choose from now. Potency and price matter.
 
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Bodyne said:
not sure, but most have grown the gear of the two you mentioned and the most common thing mentioned is lack of potency. Taking a chance on an elite fem seed that you'd never get a chance at any other way, as opposed to growing out a pack, pulling males, time and space, etc, some just need meds quicker and better than that. To be honest, and no offense intended whatsoever, up until about 6 yrs ago, Bodhi got the same knock. Afgooey just ain't that strong, but when you start using that special hashplant, the Appy male from H&L, and og's and chems, etc., his gear hit a new level of potency, even searching out the landraces and such that he does. Plus, he seems to have a hell of a library to choose from now. Potency and price matter.
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You had potency issues with bog gear? Please tell me what strains you grew...
A lot of his stuff tests in the 28%+ range so I just dont see it...
With tga some of it is really strong and some is pretty, some is both.
But not everyone likes the same stuff that's true, and theres loads of great stuff out there to pick from. If heisen had put a little more effort in than just making fem S1's then I'd be excited for his beans too. Unfortunately he just chucked pollen around haphazardly and that's another thing he was called out for in the original thread. He cant actually even be sure what pollen ended up where. The whole situation is a bad joke..
 
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The truly bad joke is on anyone who believes that ANY of these guys didn't simply source their genetics from the common pool. SubFool got all his shit from Vic high. He hasn't "made" anything new outside of that narrow scope in his entire stint as a "breeder". It's the same stuff rehashed and crossed. All Vic High stuff. Yet...to the fanboys new on the scene...the guy is a creator and a seed God. All the rest of these cats are the same (Alien/Cap/Bohdi/etc/etc/)....using existing genetics...renaming it something cute...and then copping it all as their own "work". Anyone who has been around longer than a week knows the game here. It's a matter of who has the EGO to step outside the source and claim it as their own....not who puts in the "work". That shit was already done when these cats found their special plants and went off like they did something spoecial nobody else has done. Fuckin yawn.

No it isn't hard to S-1 plants......nor is it hard to put a M/F in the same room of strains from the past and make something "all new and shiny!" for the kiddies....just look around. That is all that is happening now...for $250 a pack no less... have at it. I've given all those guys money along the way and never found a keeper in their packs. I owe em nothin'. They don't know me and I don't know them. (nor do I know Heisen) they are retailers and after the sale what i buy is mine to do with as I please. Fuck your restrictions. That's total crap. It's a plant, not a possession. These cats own nothing.

Heisen is just reminding them of that fact. Either way...this is gonna be epic or a major shit show. Nothin new there....
 
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growingforfun said:
I've personally had a lot of success with tga and some of the bog strains. Some of the bog gear yields too low however, but some is pure fire and good yields as well. Not every tga strain is a homerun but many are. But again, theres loads of great breeders around. People who put in real work instead of simply making fem s1's.

But if you are after fem s1 seeds, then I guess this is your guy
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That's funny. Of all these great breeders out there you brought up, your go to is TGA....

I can guarantee anyone making s1s is putting in 10000x more work than TGA.
 
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