Russia and America perhaps a little more similar than we like to admit?

[Roger A. Shrubber]

https://www.polygraph.info/a/serebryakov-actor-anti-russian-fact-check/29794280.html

this is about an actor, but it has quite a few revealing statements. particularly, to me,
“No matter how you look at it, today neither knowledge, enterprise, intelligence nor dignity are part of our national idea. Our national idea is power, arrogance and rudeness,” Serebryakov said.

Creating a “Russian national idea” has been a key part of Putin’s presidential agenda since his coming to power nearly two decades ago. “Patriotism is the Russians’ holy duty. That is our national idea,” Putin said in his speech before the students of the Moscow State University in 2016.

Владимир Путин пояснил, в чём российская национальная идеяhttps://t.co/Yb3n4XuaRM pic.twitter.com/VFclfaI9PW

— Life | Новости (@lifenews_ru) April 7, 2016
The Russian Orthodox Church joined the Putin narrative, announcing that the national idea of Russia is to “be holy.”

once you make something a "holy cause"....well, then you can justify a Crusade, and your enemies are now less than human, so you can treat them like animals with no moral or ethical problems....
i wonder if the entire trump presidency hasn't been a plan by putin to distract the world from his empire building? he couldn't have engineered a better distraction...
he certainly seems to be busy brainwashing his entire nation, fortunately about as many seem to be resistant there as are resistant to trumps similar plan here...

 

[TacoMac]

Russian news is, I'm not kidding, EXACTLY like Fox News.

Most Russians no longer watch it at all.

 

[potroastV2]

Russian news is, I'm not kidding, EXACTLY like Fox News.

Most Russians no longer watch it at all.

So you're saying that Russians are smarter and more savvy than Fox News viewers!


Everyone knows that.

 

[ttystikk]

Ruled by rich elites.
Widening wealth and income inequality.
Rampant poverty.
Exploding military budgets.
Contempt for the role of law, whether domestic or international.

What similarities?

 

[squarepush3r]

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Ruled by rich elites.
Widening wealth and income inequality.
Rampant poverty.
Exploding military budgets.
Contempt for the role of law, whether domestic or international.

What similarities?

that's way too many syllables for a haiku....

 

[londonfog]

The only question I have is who has ever lived in Russia to compare...or are you going by what other people wrote ?

 

[TacoMac]

Ruled by rich elites.
Widening wealth and income inequality.
Rampant poverty.
Exploding military budgets.
Contempt for the role of law, whether domestic or international.

What similarities?

I know it's not possible for you to do, but you really should try to make a concerted effort to not talk about things you know absolutely NOTHING about.

When Vladimir Putin came to power in 1999, roughly 62% of Russians lived at or below the poverty line. Russia, just coming out of communism, was nearly destitute and Boris Yeltsin had absolutely no idea what the hell he was doing. Hell, he was so drunk most of the time he didn't even know where he was, let alone anything else.

Putin changed all of that. VERY quickly.

When Putin first took over, he promised to cut the poverty level in half within 20 years. He started massive infrastructure plans, revitalization plans, farming, everything.

It worked. In fact, he surpassed his goal of 50% and as of 2018, only 21% of Russians live at or below the poverty level, a reduction of 66%.

And he's not done yet. He's signed new legislation that will cut that figure in half by 2024. Putin, unlike our leaders, takes the care of his people very, very seriously.

In contrast to all of that, 80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. They miss a check, they are broke. There are more Americans living paycheck to paycheck than there are Russians in total on the planet.

In the richest nation on earth, 53,000,000 people live at or below the poverty level.

Russia is nothing at all like the United States. Russian people are also nothing like Americans. The two couldn't be any further apart.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The only question I have is who has ever lived in Russia to compare...or are you going by what other people wrote ?

i rely on news reports about the rest of the world for my information....i do put a small amount of effort into checking the veracity of the news sites i use, and try to ignore the disreputable ones. i also try to cross check against multiple sites, so i have the best information i can have without actually going there and speaking to people myself...which i would be willing to do, if you wanna foot the travel bill....and provide a translator.

 

[TacoMac]

Actually, it's pretty cheap now. My father-in-laws tickets were 650 dollars round trip. (He was just here last month.)

When we first started going back in 2001, it was about 1250 dollars each round trip.

And many Russians speak English, so I wouldn't worry too much about not knowing the language. Road signs are a bitch, though.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

the way the russian goverment treats the russian people is very different than the way the american government treats its people....the way they treat their neighbors is NOT so different...russia has done every bit as much or more to keep the world destabilized than the U.S. ever has...for every back that has been stabbed by a u.s. agent, at least one has been stabbed by a russian agent, for every country the u.s. has destabilized, the russians have been in lockstep....i know a few russian immigrants, and several Ukrainian immigrants, they all seem like decent people to me, but the Ukranians don't like the russians worth a fuck, because russia has done nothing but fuck with them since the country was founded...putin may treat russians well, but the entire rest of the world is to be conquered and serve russian interests....so fuck him, and anyone who supports him...

 

[TacoMac]

We have moved NATO bases 475 miles closer to Moscow in direct violation of the treaty we signed.

Russia has not moved a base towards anybody one single inch.

But Russia is the one being aggressive?

LMAO!!!

 

[londonfog]

We have moved NATO bases 475 miles closer to Moscow in direct violation of the treaty we signed.

Russia has not moved a base towards anybody one single inch.

But Russia is the one being aggressive?

LMAO!!!

Crimea disagrees

 

[Fogdog]

We have moved NATO bases 475 miles closer to Moscow in direct violation of the treaty we signed.

Russia has not moved a base towards anybody one single inch.

But Russia is the one being aggressive?

LMAO!!!

As London points out, Ukraine both eastern and Crimea would disagree about a passive Russia.

Also, a country that suppresses reporters to the point of throwing them out of windows has something to hide.

The Russian people being led by some pretty nasty people. It's Putin and his cronys that are the problem, not the people.

Who said something about trading freedom for prosperity being a bad deal?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

We have moved NATO bases 475 miles closer to Moscow in direct violation of the treaty we signed.

Russia has not moved a base towards anybody one single inch.

But Russia is the one being aggressive?

LMAO!!!

i have absolutely no doubt we're making provocative moves, and we should stop...
but Russia has a LOT to stop as well...putin has ordered some pretty nasty things...it seems to me that he doesn't want to advance anything through cooperation, he wants to conquer, to expand, to absorb...and he won't stop till he gets what he wants, or someone stops him...

https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/05/03/russia-playing-geopolitical-game-in-latin-america-pub-76228
....reaching out to help people, or reaching out to have a presence able to more easily manipulate anti American operations?

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/01/23/implications-of-russian-presence-in-latin-america/
i believe that nothing putin does is for purely humanitarian reasons...feints within strategies within plans within plots...and not one single bit of it is designed to help anyone but putin...the reason that he takes care of his citizens is, to me, simply so they will be loyal to him and not question his murderous behavior...so they will be more willing to be cannon fodder if he demands it of them...so they will be more willing to invade neighbors when told to...

 

[blu3bird]

https://www.polygraph.info/a/serebryakov-actor-anti-russian-fact-check/29794280.html

this is about an actor, but it has quite a few revealing statements. particularly, to me,
“No matter how you look at it, today neither knowledge, enterprise, intelligence nor dignity are part of our national idea. Our national idea is power, arrogance and rudeness,” Serebryakov said.

Creating a “Russian national idea” has been a key part of Putin’s presidential agenda since his coming to power nearly two decades ago. “Patriotism is the Russians’ holy duty. That is our national idea,” Putin said in his speech before the students of the Moscow State University in 2016.

Владимир Путин пояснил, в чём российская национальная идеяhttps://t.co/Yb3n4XuaRM pic.twitter.com/VFclfaI9PW

— Life | Новости (@lifenews_ru) April 7, 2016
The Russian Orthodox Church joined the Putin narrative, announcing that the national idea of Russia is to “be holy.”

once you make something a "holy cause"....well, then you can justify a Crusade, and your enemies are now less than human, so you can treat them like animals with no moral or ethical problems....
i wonder if the entire trump presidency hasn't been a plan by putin to distract the world from his empire building? he couldn't have engineered a better distraction...
he certainly seems to be busy brainwashing his entire nation, fortunately about as many seem to be resistant there as are resistant to trumps similar plan here...

I like vodka too, comrade!

Blueberry Stoli is my favorite

 

[V256.420]

I have to say that, IMO, Russia beats us in the racist department big time.

 

[Fogdog]

I have to say that, IMO, Russia beats us in the racist department big time.

So what?

We win at being not as bad at a horrible thing as Russia?

 

[V256.420]

So what?

We win at being not as bad at a horrible thing as Russia?

Tacoboy said his country is awesome and has nothing wrong with it. I felt he was wrong and voiced my opinion. Don't like it? Too bad.

 

[Novabudd]

i have absolutely no doubt we're making provocative moves, and we should stop...
but Russia has a LOT to stop as well...putin has ordered some pretty nasty things...it seems to me that he doesn't want to advance anything through cooperation, he wants to conquer, to expand, to absorb...and he won't stop till he gets what he wants, or someone stops him...

https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/05/03/russia-playing-geopolitical-game-in-latin-america-pub-76228
....reaching out to help people, or reaching out to have a presence able to more easily manipulate anti American operations?

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/01/23/implications-of-russian-presence-in-latin-america/
i believe that nothing putin does is for purely humanitarian reasons...feints within strategies within plans within plots...and not one single bit of it is designed to help anyone but putin...the reason that he takes care of his citizens is, to me, simply so they will be loyal to him and not question his murderous behavior...so they will be more willing to be cannon fodder if he demands it of them...so they will be more willing to invade neighbors when told to...

Seems like Trump wants to emulate Putin but he keeps fucking it up.