Help With My Hypothetical Grow Room

[Bobby Long Buds]

Canada has introduced a micro cannabis cultivation liscence with intentions of letting people open a legal craft type grow under 200 square metres. (2000 sq feet roughly)

I am debating trying this in the far away future. My plan to start would be roughly 10x1k gavitas with a sealed room. Winters get cold here at 45degrees North so I thought sealed might be easier to control.
I would choose Gavita at the moment because although led is great, no doubt, the technology is changing too fast at the moment. In 10 years maybe it will find its home.
So my questions are.

1. What is wrong with this plan?

2. How would you set up a room that is human and plant friendly. Open hid lights seem to be best used to light entire rooms, but in my mind I would need access to all sides of the plant such as a 4’wide table with room between.

3. Would I be crazy to scrog in a situation like this?

4. Would I be crazy to use fabric grow bags peat/perlite. I know the local licenced producer uses 6x6x6 Rockwool and drip irrigation.

5. What do you do with hydroponic waste water when you are operating above the table. I know what to do with it otherwise. Haha

6. Would lighting a square area in the middle of a room be best and putting the plants on rolling tables that can be easily moved apart for mantainence work good?

7. What do most large scale producers do as far as topping?

8. What would a suggested veg time be. I was thinking about 30 days from rooted clone. Possibly filling a 2’x2’ screen with each plant.

9. I’ve thought about going organic as well to avoid excess waste water and to be used as a selling point. But would worry about bugs and other pests.

10. Is a sealed room a good idea?

Thanks for the help guys and girls.
Any other things you would like to say or ideas shoot away.

 

[Renfro]

If plant counts aren't a limiting factor, a SoG table setup with flood and drain can produce really well. Cut big 6 - 8" clones. Root them really well and skip veg or only veg one week. Having lots of plants means little or no veg time and thus more harvests per year. I used to grow this way and pulled 2 pounds per 1000 watt single end with a magnetic ballast. I used no veg time and had 48 plants per 4 x 4 area (7 x 7 grid with one missing where the fittings come thru the tray). With this setup your major labor is in cutting clones, transplanting and harvesting. If anything lolipop them 20 days into flower to get rid of the bottoms. IMO all that training and pruning is for small grows where one is trying to maximize a small area or small plant count.

CO2 is your friend. Natural gas / propane CO2 generators are awesome, no hauling tanks. Sealed room with CO2 is the way.

For a 10kW setup a 4 ton minisplit is good. If you were to run the ballasts on overdrive you probably want a little more cooling though as thats pushing it. Also have to account for standard manual J calcs to account for normal building heating loads. So you will probably end up with something like 6 tons. Make sure your cooling can run low ambient as you still have a heat load in the winter.

Make sure you have a good IPM (integrated pest management) strategy.\

Here is a good article about how to manage the waste.

Anyways, thats just my 2 cents.

 

[diggs99]

"micro cannabis cultivation liscence"

Never heard of this before, but am intrigued. I have been looking hard into the ACMPR program, but this is first time seeing micro cannabis cultivation license

Just did a little reading on the topic, i wonder what the application process would be like

Im not even gonna comment on helping with the setup, Renfro helped me with my hypothetical, so you got great help already.

 

[ANC]

Root them really well and skip veg or only veg one week.

I wait until I see fresh growth at the leaf tips before flipping. I Might even keep them on veg feed during the first week of 12/12 as they are still growing like mad.

 

[Bobby Long Buds]

Thanks Renfro that’s great info I was hoping to hear from you.
Diggs I’m sure the application will be long and complicated like everything the gov gets its hands on.

 

[Bobby Long Buds]

If plant counts aren't a limiting factor, a SoG table setup with flood and drain can produce really well. Cut big 6 - 8" clones. Root them really well and skip veg or only veg one week. Having lots of plants means little or no veg time and thus more harvests per year. I used to grow this way and pulled 2 pounds per 1000 watt single end with a magnetic ballast. I used no veg time and had 48 plants per 4 x 4 area (7 x 7 grid with one missing where the fittings come thru the tray). With this setup your major labor is in cutting clones, transplanting and harvesting. If anything lolipop them 20 days into flower to get rid of the bottoms. IMO all that training and pruning is for small grows where one is trying to maximize a small area or small plant count.

CO2 is your friend. Natural gas / propane CO2 generators are awesome, no hauling tanks. Sealed room with CO2 is the way.

For a 10kW setup a 4 ton minisplit is good. If you were to run the ballasts on overdrive you probably want a little more cooling though as thats pushing it. Also have to account for standard manual J calcs to account for normal building heating loads. So you will probably end up with something like 6 tons. Make sure your cooling can run low ambient as you still have a heat load in the winter.

Make sure you have a good IPM (integrated pest management) strategy.\

Here is a good article about how to manage the waste.

Anyways, thats just my 2 cents.

What was your medium in this setup? 4” Rockwool cubes? And what grow style do you do these days?

 

[Bobby Long Buds]

"micro cannabis cultivation liscence"

Never heard of this before, but am intrigued. I have been looking hard into the ACMPR program, but this is first time seeing micro cannabis cultivation license

Just did a little reading on the topic, i wonder what the application process would be like

Im not even gonna comment on helping with the setup, Renfro helped me with my hypothetical, so you got great help already.

Here is some basic info.

Under 200 m2

Must have fence around property

Typical “standard operating procedure” paperwork.

Good production practice paperwork

No cameras required for micro.

The micro cultivation includes drying and trimming but all the rest of the work is left to people with a “processing” or “micro processing” liscence.

Anyone with a cultivation licence can only sell to other licence holders.

There is a lot of stuff involved but I guess whoever can get there may make some money.

Health Canada requires everything pass a test. There is an old guy at health Canada that rips the bong and declares it dank or non dank before sale.

 

[diggs99]

Thanks for the info bobby

Look under renfros posts you will see his grow journal link.

Or head over to the grow journal section, his is called 40lbs 12 plants I think . You will see his name anyway.

Very good journal he has going.

He grows indoor trees

 

[Renfro]

What was your medium in this setup? 4” Rockwool cubes? And what grow style do you do these days?

I used 6" square pots and hydroton. Clones were rooted in rapid rooters.

 

[Renfro]

I wait until I see fresh growth at the leaf tips before flipping. I Might even keep them on veg feed during the first week of 12/12 as they are still growing like mad.

Yeah mine rooted for 20 days between cycles of trays (yeah I did a perpetual at one time lol) I had a 8 pound harvest every 20 days. So the clones were starting to veg in the rooting process.

 

[Renfro]

Thanks for the info bobby

Look under renfros posts you will see his grow journal link.

Or head over to the grow journal section, his is called 40lbs 12 plants I think . You will see his name anyway.

Very good journal he has going.

He grows indoor trees

Yeah unfortunately I flipped this run too soon and I'm not gonna hit 40 on this run. I'd be pleased with 30.

 

[ANC]

I once rooted clones under 12/12. It started growing roots and buds at the same time.

 

[Renfro]

Another thing I forgot to mention:

Make a dedicated VEG area to keep moms and root clones in. This is the most protected area as it's the source of future crops.

 

[trichcrazy]

i was also interested in the craft growers licence
and did quite a bit of research into it. you basically need a shitload of cash to start
like$500,000 to start and then what happens if your crop isn't up to thier standards
you just lost everything.didn't seem doable for the small guy.

 

[Bobby Long Buds]

i was also interested in the craft growers licence
and did quite a bit of research into it. you basically need a shitload of cash to start
like$500,000 to start and then what happens if your crop isn't up to thier standards
you just lost everything.didn't seem doable for the small guy.

Maybe you do need that much but would 100k not get you setup in something? Especially if you owned land already.

 

[Bobby Long Buds]

I tried a dozen strains from cannabis pei’s store. I think there would be no problem surpassing the LP quality. The buds from them are nothing special at all. Pink kush buy san rafiel is the only stuff I would buy again from them. The rest was poorly trimmed, overpriced and just so so in every way.
It was actually the low quality of LP weed that made me think there is a market for micro growers?