40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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Renfro said:
Looks like a great light. I still wonder why they can't mount the ballast so it's horizontal like the nanolux. lol Like seriously, low profile and the damn thing still sticks up.
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ya i dont quite understand it either, they take pride in calling it their slim line, but lose 2-3 inches of clearance because the ballast is stuck up past the light lol

def interested tho, Gavita seems to be one of the leading brands in grow lights, been around a long time, quality products and have a good rep. I may go this route, buy a couple of these for flowering and use my 600 for the veg room

Nanolux 1k de cmh 473.00
or
gavita 1k de hps 289.00
 
diggs99 said:
ya i dont quite understand it either, they take pride in calling it their slim line, but lose 2-3 inches of clearance because the ballast is stuck up past the light lol

def interested tho, Gavita seems to be one of the leading brands in grow lights, been around a long time, quality products and have a good rep. I may go this route, buy a couple of these for flowering and use my 600 for the veg room

Nanolux 1k de cmh 473.00
or
gavita 1k de hps 289.00
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Both are good lights. HPS is tried and true, been running HPS for 30 years. Can't go wrong there. Plus gavita has an excellent rep.
 
Renfro said:
Both are good lights. HPS is tried and true, been running HPS for 30 years. Can't go wrong there. Plus gavita has an excellent rep.
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Ya and $/watt hps is still by far the best deal

i can get 2 x the 1k de gavitas for less than 1 x 950w timber

truth be told, i could actually buy 4 of these gavitas for the price of 1 x 950w timber.
 
diggs99 said:
Ya and $/watt hps is still by far the best deal

i can get 2 x the 1k de gavitas for less than 1 x 950w timber

truth be told, i could actually buy 4 of these gavitas for the price of 1 x 950w timber.
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Yeah the LED tech is just way to pricey. Everyone tries to justify it with lower energy usage but I think that is often overstated. Probably take 5 years for any energy savings to pay for the light, and it's obsolete in 6 months.
 
diggs99 said:
Ya and $/watt hps is still by far the best deal

i can get 2 x the 1k de gavitas for less than 1 x 950w timber

truth be told, i could actually buy 4 of these gavitas for the price of 1 x 950w timber.
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Renfro said:
Yeah the LED tech is just way to pricey. Everyone tries to justify it with lower energy usage but I think that is often overstated. Probably take 5 years for any energy savings to pay for the light, and it's obsolete in 6 months.
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This is what I come to every time I go to buy an LED light.
 
Renfro said:
Yeah the LED tech is just way to pricey. Everyone tries to justify it with lower energy usage but I think that is often overstated. Probably take 5 years for any energy savings to pay for the light, and it's obsolete in 6 months.
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IDK man.. Me and one other grower have the same amount of wattage going on, 18,000. And his electric bill is over $2000 a month for just his grow with MH/HPS. My LED's run me around $670ish on a full 31 day cycle of 18/6 and includes my residence as well. I could see how they would pay for themselves pretty quick. No bulb changes, less heat, etc.. everyone has their preference tho.
 
DoubleAtotheRON said:
IDK man.. Me and one other grower have the same amount of wattage going on, 18,000. And his electric bill is over $2000 a month for just his grow with MH/HPS. My LED's run me around $670ish on a full 31 day cycle of 18/6 and includes my residence as well. I could see how they would pay for themselves pretty quick. No bulb changes, less heat, etc.. everyone has their preference tho.
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Do you and your buddy live in the same city? Location has a massive impact on electric costs, obviously making the benefit more or less in certain areas.

I would have to imagine this is the only explanation. If you are both drawing the same wattage it doesn't matter if its an LED or HPS. 1000 watts power draw at the wall is the same either way.... The claim with LED is you get more light at less wattage so you save money. Personally, when I go to LED it will be just to get more light spread over my canopy more evenly without reducing the wattage.

Are your 18,000 watts actually turned up that high or are they dimmed down........ so your actually running much less wattage?
 
Thundercat said:
Do you and your buddy live in the same city? Location has a massive impact on electric costs, obviously making the benefit more or less in certain areas.

I would have to imagine this is the only explanation. If you are both drawing the same wattage it doesn't matter if its an LED or HPS. 1000 watts power draw at the wall is the same either way.... The claim with LED is you get more light at less wattage so you save money. Personally, when I go to LED it will be just to get more light spread over my canopy more evenly without reducing the wattage.

Are your 18,000 watts actually turned up that high or are they dimmed down........ so your actually running much less wattage?
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Yeah.. let me rephrase that. We are both in the same State, and running 1000w EQUIVALENT. So where he is drawing a true 1000 watts at the wall, Im only drawing 480 watts on my 1000w, and they are on high all the time except for when sprouting seedlings.
 
DoubleAtotheRON said:
Yeah.. let me rephrase that. We are both in the same State, and running 1000w EQUIVALENT. So where he is drawing a true 1000 watts at the wall, Im only drawing 480 watts on my 1000w, and they are on high all the time except for when sprouting seedlings.
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Ok that right there is why you have lower electric costs, your running less then half the amount of wattage..... Lets be honest here now, do you actually pull the same yields in comparable grows?
Because currently it sounds like he has a pretty large 18000 watt grow which should be pulling major yields, making the 2k electric bill just part of the game. I'm not being a dick here at all, just wanting to make sure we are actually discussing any sort of level playing field.

What ppfd are you running at? From everything, I've read over the year, if your under 1500 your leaveing yields on the table and could really use more light.
 
Thundercat said:
Ok that right there is why you have lower electric costs, your running less then half the amount of wattage..... Lets be honest here now, do you actually pull the same yields in comparable grows?
Because currently it sounds like he has a pretty large 18000 watt grow which should be pulling major yields, making the 2k electric bill just part of the game. I'm not being a dick here at all, just wanting to make sure we are actually discussing any sort of level playing field.

What ppfd are you running at? From everything, I've read over the year, if your under 1500 your leaveing yields on the table and could really use more light.
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Our yields were pretty close. We both ran an average of ~130 grams dried per plant. I dont know about his PAR readings, but mine ran 1100ish towards the end of flower. I never discussed that with him. I dont think he did any topping or super cropping tho, whereas I did.
 
DoubleAtotheRON said:
Yeah.. let me rephrase that. We are both in the same State, and running 1000w EQUIVALENT. So where he is drawing a true 1000 watts at the wall, Im only drawing 480 watts on my 1000w, and they are on high all the time except for when sprouting seedlings.
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How much did 18kW worth of LED equivalent cost you? Yeah my bills are about 1700 a month in the winter and about 2000 in the summer, that includes my home.
 
Renfro said:
How much did 18kW worth of LED equivalent cost you? Yeah my bills are about 1700 a month in the winter and about 2000 in the summer, that includes my home.
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I think I paid around $14,000 for the18 HLG 550 v2's.... about the yield, this was my first indoor grow, and have started the 2nd round. I did learn a lot of things from you guys for sure, and hope to increase my yield this next run.
 
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