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Singlemalt

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On to the debate of big ag. I'm not a big fan of gmo. Though I understand why wanting to use it.

Then the misconception that hybrid means gmo.

Let's take vegetables. Yes. I see the need for heirloom seeds. I grow and save heirloom seeds. I also buy modern hybrid seeds and grow them. I've probably grown gmo at some point.

Same for cannabis. Different things for different needs. I have heirloom or landrace, regs, fems, autos and auto fems.
The largest known factual problem with GMO's is Monsanto's belligerence in enforcing patent ownership. It started with corn, which is open pollinated. If your cornfield is close to a field growing Monsanto gmo corn then it's almost 100 % your corn will be pollinated some by Monsanto's corn. They have genetic markers and if your corn is sampled Monsanto marker's show up. They (Monsanto) would rigidly enforce "patent violations" and sue the innocent farmer; Monsanto won some of the early cases to the detriment of the innocent farmer. A lot of the Monsanto GMO crops were merely herbicide resistance to their patented Roundup and dicamba herbicides. Which in my opinion was a dumb move because it promoted over use of the herbicides. Just like indiscriminate antibiotic overuse, weeds are and have developed resistence
 

outliergenetix

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On to the debate of big ag. I'm not a big fan of gmo. Though I understand why wanting to use it.

Then the misconception that hybrid means gmo.

Let's take vegetables. Yes. I see the need for heirloom seeds. I grow and save heirloom seeds. I also buy modern hybrid seeds and grow them. I've probably grown gmo at some point.

Same for cannabis. Different things for different needs. I have heirloom or landrace, regs, fems, autos and auto fems.
idk if this was in response to anything i said, but i never brought up gmo. i also see the benefit, howver i always am one to slow down before we go to far in any one direction. with regards to cannabis i feel like it isa perfect storm of legality by dollar that is gonna exasperate what happened in big AG, but in many different ways and much faster because therre really is no home garden scene or small farm scene large enough to legally sustain heirlooming. i just want cannabis to be like a tomatoe legally and then big AG can be big AG and i'll do me as they say, but i cannot sit by and watch as these politicians and businessmen steamroll the indusrty and leave us all to figure out how to fix it later
 

outliergenetix

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The largest known factual problem with GMO's is Monsanto's belligerence in enforcing patent ownership. It started with corn, which is open pollinated. If your cornfield is close to a field growing Monsanto gmo corn then it's almost 100 % your corn will be pollinated some by Monsanto's corn. They have genetic markers and if your corn is sampled Monsanto marker's show up. They (Monsanto) would rigidly enforce "patent violations" and sue the innocent farmer; Monsanto won some of the early cases to the detriment of the innocent farmer. A lot of the Monsanto GMO crops were merely herbicide resistance to their patented Roundup and dicamba herbicides. Which in my opinion was a dumb move because it promoted over use of the herbicides. Just like indiscriminate antibiotic overuse, weeds are and have developed resistence
okay i think your corn example needs clarification. corn is not open pollinatied in the spirit of actual open pollination. what i mean is it doesnt count if al the corn in your state is from the same 3 varietals which it is and there is no wild corn anymore whcih there isn't. the variation is very small in this case and easily deconstructed. the corn you are referring to resembles nothing of the corn aka maize that was here 300 years ago. we have homogenized corn more than like any other crop it's not even funny.
this is from the ny times:
"Within one generation, the new extra sugary varieties eclipsed old-fashioned sweet corn in the marketplace. Build a sweeter fruit or vegetable — by any means — and we will come. Today, most of the fresh corn in our supermarkets is extra-sweet. The kernels are either white, pale yellow, or a combination of the two. The sweetest varieties approach 40 percent sugar, bringing new meaning to the words “candy corn.” Only a handful of farmers in the United States specialize in multicolored Indian corn, and it is generally sold for seasonal decorations, not food."
add to this the following from same article:
"When European colonists first arrived in North America, they came upon what they called “Indian corn.” John Winthrop Jr., governor of the colony of Connecticut in the mid-1600s, observed that American Indians grew “corne with great variety of colours,” citing “red, yellow, blew, olive colour, and greenish, and some very black and some of intermediate degrees.” A few centuries later, we would learn that black, red and blue corn is rich in anthocyanins. Anthocyanins have the potential to fight cancer, calm inflammation, lower cholesterol and blood pressure, protect the aging brain, and reduce the risk of obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular disease"

now sprinkle in the food is many many times less nutrient dense and lacking phytonutirents because of commercial selecting it is not even funn. this nutrition lacking in our food has a correlation to the health problems of modern society. studies have shown this correlation directy, tho it is only a correltationat this point.

it doesn't take much or long to change a plant from one thing into something completelty different, and we should proceed slowly and with caution, not with a capitalist ferver
 

Old Thcool

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idk if this was in response to anything i said, but i never brought up gmo. i also see the benefit, howver i always am one to slow down before we go to far in any one direction. with regards to cannabis i feel like it isa perfect storm of legality by dollar that is gonna exasperate what happened in big AG, but in many different ways and much faster because therre really is no home garden scene or small farm scene large enough to legally sustain heirlooming. i just want cannabis to be like a tomatoe legally and then big AG can be big AG and i'll do me as they say, but i cannot sit by and watch as these politicians and businessmen steamroll the indusrty and leave us all to figure out how to fix it later
Well Monsanto does have their mitts into weed, that's a fact. And Big AG is also into weed, there are greenhouse ops as big as football fields growing weed. As far as I'm concerned that qualifies as Big AG! They may lobby to keep us peons from growing weed, maybe sue a few of us for growing something with their polluted genetics in it? Who knows what these pricks will do?
 

whitebb2727

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idk if this was in response to anything i said, but i never brought up gmo. i also see the benefit, howver i always am one to slow down before we go to far in any one direction. with regards to cannabis i feel like it isa perfect storm of legality by dollar that is gonna exasperate what happened in big AG, but in many different ways and much faster because therre really is no home garden scene or small farm scene large enough to legally sustain heirlooming. i just want cannabis to be like a tomatoe legally and then big AG can be big AG and i'll do me as they say, but i cannot sit by and watch as these politicians and businessmen steamroll the indusrty and leave us all to figure out how to fix it later
That's why I separated it to another post.

It wasn't towards you specifically. Just towards the general direction of the thread.
 

whitebb2727

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The largest known factual problem with GMO's is Monsanto's belligerence in enforcing patent ownership. It started with corn, which is open pollinated. If your cornfield is close to a field growing Monsanto gmo corn then it's almost 100 % your corn will be pollinated some by Monsanto's corn. They have genetic markers and if your corn is sampled Monsanto marker's show up. They (Monsanto) would rigidly enforce "patent violations" and sue the innocent farmer; Monsanto won some of the early cases to the detriment of the innocent farmer. A lot of the Monsanto GMO crops were merely herbicide resistance to their patented Roundup and dicamba herbicides. Which in my opinion was a dumb move because it promoted over use of the herbicides. Just like indiscriminate antibiotic overuse, weeds are and have developed resistence
That's my biggest concerns with gmo, what you said there.

I'm not necessarily against big ag and better food production. Just keep a seed bank with heirlooms as a back up.
 
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