It’s 100% legal

[outliergenetix]

You have a misconception about fems being herms.

actually I don't lol, I explained they are not prone to herming if you read what I wrote correctly. I said the misconception is they herm more and that is because if you self, for example, a female with herm genes even recessive they will show more frequently because of the 1/2 gene. cannabis herms my point is when fems herm in an open pollinated outdoor environment it pollutes the indigenous cultivars

 

[cannabineer]

Not to get into it but arjan is bad for collecting strains and leaving seed to those people. One might say it's polite. Some think it ruins the local landrace by doing that.

That doesn't mean that a "cultivare" was lost. Just means they have new strains to grow.

Bing. This expands the "library" of genotypes.
Should the seed giveaways or sales lead to a situation where the farmers are losing money, I figure they'll switch back to the good old strains.
But that is an assumption of mine. I was hoping to get some real info. Instead I got the above frustration argument.

 

[outliergenetix]

Bing. This expands the "library" of genotypes.
Should the seed giveaways or sales lead to a situation where the farmers are losing money, I figure they'll switch back to the good old strains.
But that is an assumption of mine. I was hoping to get some real info. Instead I got the above frustration argument.

yea I think the point was it being about the money is what is ruining the diversity, by replacing 1000's of years in cultivation for a quick yield gain or buck. why is this so hard for you to follow? it is not a good thing these isolated farmers are growing modern commercial strains.

 

[Laughing Grass]

I started a small four plant grow after it became legal on Oct 17. It's a little disappointing that we still do not have legal access to seeds or clones yet. As far as I can tell the only ones with legal access currently are holders of a medical acmpr certificate. Recreational users are effectively shutout.

the OCS online ordering for Ontario is kinda lame in my opinion. Very little selection and the prices are crazy for overly dry weed. In the excitement of legalization, I placed an order with the OCS on Oct 17 and it wasn't shipped until Nov 5th. When Canada Post attempted to deliver the mailman claimed my drivers license photo didn't look like me and I was under age. I had to go to the post office, show the same ID to get my package.

I'm sticking with the dispensaries until they have the physical stores sorted out.

 

[cannabineer]

yea I think the point was it being about the money is what is ruining the diversity, by replacing 1000's of years in cultivation for a quick yield gain or buck. why is this so hard for you to follow? it is not a good thing these isolated farmers are growing modern commercial strains.

Because I have no sense of how big the stated problem is. I cannot assign quantities to the parameters involved. I am hearing you chanting as dogma ... glittering generalities that I consider unreliable. "Cultivars spanning millennia are being lost! For profit!! To big greedy seed companies!1! Who are ruining all open-pollinated grows1!!~ And contracting the gee gnome!111 Capitalism is in our weed patch and capitalism BAD!1!1!"

So far nobody has brought legitimate support for these claims, and certainly nothing quantitative - and quantitative data from a real source (not Webtube) are the hinge on which the hypothesis lives or dies.

So, regarding a thing being bad or good, we must first establish if, and to what extent, it is even a thing. Launching a moral argument without having first established a mutual basis of facts is bull____, and I oppose such evangelical manipulation as you are foisting onto this thread on general principle.

 

[outliergenetix]

Because I have no sense of how big the stated problem is. I cannot assign quantities to the parameters involved. I am hearing you chanting as dogma ... glittering generalities that I consider unreliable. "Cultivars spanning millennia are being lost! For profit!! To big greedy seed companies!1! Who are ruining all open-pollinated grows1!!~ And contracting the gee gnome!111 Capitalism is in our weed patch and capitalism BAD!1!1!"

So far nobody has brought legitimate support for these claims, and certainly nothing quantitative - and quantitative data from a real source (not Webtube) are the hinge on which the hypothesis lives or dies.

So, regarding a thing being bad or good, we must first establish if, and to what extent, it is even a thing. Launching a moral argument without having first established a mutual basis of facts is bull____, and I oppose such evangelical manipulation as you are foisting onto this thread on general principle.

well I couldn't find the article again, but on business in morocco just bought 50 million fem seeds for their farm last year, I believe it was the year. i'd say that is substantial, and yet only one example in a larger trend. I believe you can also look up their hash industry figures as the one article I posted eluded to and see the increase in percentage from fem and auto farms vs photoperiod. this is also not new man, this happened in south America as well during the drug wars in the 80's and 90's. that brickweed was often "improved" with external genetics to turn a better crop and profit for the cartels. it is economics and business. greenhouse seeds is not the only culprit just the largest or one of the targets. they have been supplying that segment of the industry for decades sadly

 

[Old Thcool]

This provides the deceptive appearance of answering my question. But to be clear: I asked if there was a known instance of Monsanto's seed products causing a farmer (any farmer of any plant, anywhere) to suffer economic loss.

Provide one instance; that is all I was asking.

However the double whammy of you posting nonsense that apparently answers a question I have (but doesn't upon simplest examination) with your concealment tactics last night (futile as I have your posts locked down as quotes) reveals to me that you're "doing stupid".
Stupid comes in two flavors: ignorance buttressed by fixity of opinion, or deliberate deception.

I haven't decided which of the two applies to you, but the functional outcome is the same. You're revealing yourself as too stupid to even know how to argue, and I stand no chance of learning a thing from you or the other guy. I am abandoning my inquiry.

Dude you are an idiot troll, you just troll and argue in an effort to get peoples hackles up, it's not hard to be a dick anyone can do it. You are lazy and want others to do the research for you, why don't you research peoples claims and prove them wrong instead of trolling them? As I said before Nobody on this forum is required to justify or prove any of their claims especially to you. You make it sound as though you alone can vet what others have written? By calling me a name it proves you are a troll and not nearly as smart as you think you are. If you spoke to me that way in person, which I highly doubt your are brave enough, we would sort this out pretty quickly! I am normally a civil person but I really don't like trolls.

 

[BarnBuster]

lol, God help me I luvs RIU sometimes, where's my popcorn?

 

[cannabineer]

Dude you are an idiot troll, you just troll and argue in an effort to get peoples hackles up, it's not hard to be a dick anyone can do it. You are lazy and want others to do the research for you, why don't you research peoples claims and prove them wrong instead of trolling them? As I said before Nobody on this forum is required to justify or prove any of their claims especially to you. You make it sound as though you alone can vet what others have written? By calling me a name it proves you are a troll and not nearly as smart as you think you are. If you spoke to me that way in person, which I highly doubt your are brave enough, we would sort this out pretty quickly! I am normally a civil person but I really don't like trolls.

Asking for reliable information (and I provided the basic courtesy of defining "reliable") is not trolling.

And "look it up" is a classic ploy of liars, evangelists and other predators.

No you inform, no I believe. That is not merely my right. it is my duty.

As for "being a dick", your effort to characterize honest information search as being somehow impolite or incorrect marks you as one of the New Generation who embraces feelings as fact. You may wish to set the stone down slowly considering the glass house you are standing in.

Oh, and when did I call you a name? I said you were being stupid, and I backed my statement up.

So if I did call you a name, that is a violation of TOS. Go ahead and report me if you think so. Keep in mind that while I said you were doing stupid, you called me an idiot.

Set the stone down and walk away slowly, lest your hypocrisy bear consequences.

 

[cannabineer]

lol, God help me I luvs RIU sometimes, where's my popcorn?

~sigh~ Welcome to vegan-organic critical thought; pick your robe up on the left and store any original ideas with the armorer.

 

[Old Thcool]

Not to get into it but arjan is bad for collecting strains and leaving seed to those people. One might say it's polite. Some think it ruins the local landrace by doing that.

That doesn't mean that a "cultivare" was lost. Just means they have new strains to grow.

Could mean they have an invasive species infesting their landrace patch? Could be bad to get Equatorial genetics mixed with Northern wild weed? Maybe not? Definitely shitty that guy refused the tribes people a royalty on future sales. They should have boiled him in a pot and had him for dinner.

 

[BarnBuster]

 

[cannabineer]

Could mean they have an invasive species infesting their landrace patch? Could be bad to get Equatorial genetics mixed with Northern wild weed? Maybe not? Definitely shitty that guy refused the tribes people a royalty on future sales. They should have boiled him in a pot and had him for dinner.

So there is the true measure of your militant devotion to dogma. You hold an opinion for emotional purposes (and have refused to provide verifiable, objective reasons for those emotional judgments) and anyone who does different should be BOILED and EATEN.

But somehow I am the troll. Massive critical thinking fail in vivid Technicolor 3-D. Only on RIU can one get such idiotainment*. Something tells me that if you wore a bloodstained black robe in 16th-century Spain you would completely embrace the job. And claim you were giving your victims a BENEFIT. Fie.

*Disclaimer. One can also get such on Webtube by googling "moon landing faked", "flat earth" and "did the Holocaust really happen" and, of course, "celebrity wardrobe fail".

 

[curious2garden]

actually I don't lol, I explained they are not prone to herming if you read what I wrote correctly. I said the misconception is they herm more and that is because if you self, for example, a female with herm genes even recessive they will show more frequently because of the 1/2 gene. cannabis herms my point is when fems herm in an open pollinated outdoor environment it pollutes the indigenous cultivars

All cannabis carries the hermaphrodite gene.

 

[curious2garden]

So there is the true measure of your militant devotion to dogma. You hold an opinion for emotional purposes (and have refused to provide verifiable, objective reasons for those emotional judgments) and anyone who does different should be BOILED and EATEN.

But somehow I am the troll. Massive critical thinking fail in vivid Technicolor 3-D. Only on RIU can one get such idiotainment*. Something tells me that if you wore a bloodstained black robe in 16th-century Spain you would completely embrace the job. And claim you were giving your victims a BENEFIT. Fie.

*Disclaimer. One can also get such on Webtube by googling "moon landing faked", "flat earth" and "did the Holocaust really happen" and, of course, "celebrity wardrobe fail".

These guys should seriously consider posting on this thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/feelings-about-facts-for-those-who-dont-science.980713/

 

[curious2garden]

 

[Old Thcool]

Once upon a time we believed in spontaneous generation, now we understand Mendelian Genetics. I'm not breeding to send a message. I'm hunting for pain relief phenotypes and it's attendant cannabinoids.

I totally get that, and it's not the home doit yourselfer I am on about, it's the companies mining the pockets of the people doing anything they can to prevent you from breeding with their material. They are the ones sending the message. It's a new gold rush but with weed! I just watched a short vid not long ago on the huge influx of grows in the Humbolt / Northern Cali hills! Holy crap! Like ant hills of weed all over the mountains! cutting down reforested trees. In one area alone they circled over 600 grow sites! They didn't even circle them all! You can easily see them on Google Earth. When the rush is over, most will leave and won't reclaim the land or clean up the mess. Anyway, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I am involved with a bunch of others locally that share seed and yes even veggies!

 

[cannabineer]

Let me yodel to you the tragedy of landrace popcorn genetics.

 

[cannabineer]

I totally get that, and it's not the home doit yourselfer I am on about, it's the companies mining the pockets of the people doing anything they can to prevent you from breeding with their material. They are the ones sending the message. It's a new gold rush but with weed! I just watched a short vid not long ago on the huge influx of grows in the Humbolt / Northern Cali hills! Holy crap! Like ant hills of weed all over the mountains! cutting down reforested trees. In one area alone they circled over 600 grow sites! They didn't even circle them all! You can easily see them on Google FlatEarth. When the rush is over, most will leave and won't reclaim the land or clean up the mess. Anyway, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I am involved with a bunch of others locally that share seed and yes even veggies!

1) Fify

2) So much passion; so little fact.

3) It is fortunate for you that they'll share with veggies.

You may find a home here
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-earth-is-indeed-flat.943686/

 

[curious2garden]

I totally get that, and it's not the home doit yourselfer I am on about, it's the companies mining the pockets of the people doing anything they can to prevent you from breeding with their material. They are the ones sending the message. It's a new gold rush but with weed! I just watched a short vid not long ago on the huge influx of grows in the Humbolt / Northern Cali hills! Holy crap! Like ant hills of weed all over the mountains! cutting down reforested trees. In one area alone they circled over 600 grow sites! They didn't even circle them all! You can easily see them on Google Earth. When the rush is over, most will leave and won't reclaim the land or clean up the mess. Anyway, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I am involved with a bunch of others locally that share seed and yes even veggies!