PH rise, EC rise, less water usage

shawnery

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Fuck all that bullshit! Sorry for the language. I like to think about the kratky method when people talk about airstones and these new school emmiters. I do run a hybrid but I dont have one airstone in my system. 30 gallons 8 buckets 1 epi center and a waterfall and that is it. The roots in the water are just as healthy as those with hpa.

Do you use an RO filter because if not you should. A lot of people do it without but when I started everyone with experience told me to go RO. The minute I tried without it I had nothing but issues. In my mind now it's better to do away with as many variables as possible.

Tap water was my bad variable.
 

foliage2018

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Fuck all that bullshit! Sorry for the language. I like to think about the kratky method when people talk about airstones and these new school emmiters. I do run a hybrid but I dont have one airstone in my system. 30 gallons 8 buckets 1 epi center and a waterfall and that is it. The roots in the water are just as healthy as those with hpa.

Do you use an RO filter because if not you should. A lot of people do it without but when I started everyone with experience told me to go RO. The minute I tried without it I had nothing but issues. In my mind now it's better to do away with as many variables as possible.

Tap water was my bad variable.
Yes, I use RO. That makes 0,34EC tap water to 0,02EC "clean" water. Maybe that wasn't great idea to buy a bucket F&D but I need to manage it now. One way is to keep the system always as sterile as possible (H2O2, bleach, chlorine) the second way are bennies and all those air stuff. But I used bennies, always kept the res water under 22 celsius (max 25 in the buckets between floodings), properly aerated res and here we go - root rot. And it's a fckn winter here - i have no problems with room and res temps.
 

shawnery

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I've gone sterile. I'm not saying it's the best but it's the option I've had the most success with. Considering you've tried the active route perhaps yiu should try sterile but from day one.
 

Skybound420

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Though I am a BIG proponent of using bennies is every situation, your inability to locate the needed products (Great White, Hydro Guard) and a few other things, there won't be enough time to try this or that and hope. That said, I'm with everyone else in that you have pythium, and because all your plants are in the same system, they all have it and can possibly die if the damage isn't stopped. That said, you should mentally prepare to lose this grow.

Your best bet now is H2O2 and discontinue the voodoo while using the H2O2 for the rest of the round. IDK if it would be wise to remove all of that dead root material, the stuff that easily breaks away before the H2O2 bath, so confirm that with someone else, but you gotta do what you can to clean the mess as best you can, then the bath, then mix the H2O2 in with your nutes for continued treatment. It might even be wise to prepare 3 day reservoirs so that dead matter that falls off can be flushed out so not to reinfect. FWIW, I did a little experiement like 5 years ago with a little DIY aeroponic system and was using H2O2 in the res and still got pythium, and all my clones in it died. That shit is BAD.

For future grows, I highly recommend expanding your knowledge of the wide variety of beneficial bacteria. The more the merrier. I regularly use Heisenberg Tea in my grow, twice weekly in fact as a preventative maintenance kind of thing. Because I use synthetic nutes in rockwool, my bennies themselves die and are washed out regularly, but their strength is that they eat pythium before they die and my roots are always in fantastic shape. You can also keep great roots, but you need to acquire some materials first.

Here's a FANTASTIC old thread all about this very topic and a wide variety of products you can accumulate and use. The author takes into account for people that don't live in the USA so you'll likely read a few products that you'll be able to pick up and use.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dwc-root-slime-cure-aka-how-to-breed-beneficial-microbes.361430/
 

shawnery

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I think it comes down to each infection is probably not the same pathogen. There are so many different forms of root rot and pythium only being one. I've even read that some are becoming resistant like human bacteria. There are some that require very large dosages of sterilizer and there are ones that need very little. I assume this has something to do with what will and won't work in different peoples systems but thats an uneducated guess.
 

foliage2018

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They are not that bad. Half of the fan leaves dead or heavily damaged, but the buds are still developing. Slowly but still. I tried to gently pull out all dead roots, but just a few of them came out.
 

Skybound420

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I think it comes down to each infection is probably not the same pathogen. There are so many different forms of root rot and pythium only being one. I've even read that some are becoming resistant like human bacteria. There are some that require very large dosages of sterilizer and there are ones that need very little. I assume this has something to do with what will and won't work in different peoples systems but thats an uneducated guess.
I used to feel the same way until I got root rot while using a sterile res. A popular grower that used to be on YouTube named Hygro-Hybrid also ran with sterile for a long time then he got clobbered with the rot. I strongly suggest reading the thread I linked above. It's long as fuck, but well worth the read. Heisenberg lays it all down in post #1.
 

foliage2018

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and to top it all off, foliage said that AN says to discontinue it's use during flower. that makes the least sense of anything.
Yes, they say that bennies are already established and you have to just feed them using carbohydrates in Bud Candy.

I'm re-reading the Heisenberg thread for a refresher and came across this quote at the end of one of the paragraphs;
I am reading that too, but I will have to find EU versions of that products as I am able to buy worm castings only.
 

rkymtnman

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if you can source that 30% peroxide, i'd just keep using that. HTH pool shock worked great for me and a 1 pound bag would probably last you a few years. but you need a scale accurate to 0.01 grams so you don't overdose them


on the bright side, at least we now know what caused all this mess.

it will affect your yield for sure but i think they should recover enough to harvest something.
 

foliage2018

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but you need a scale accurate to 0.01 grams so you don't overdose them
As I am using 500l and more of water in the res tank....

I have a question about H2O2... as law is very strict to selling chemicals here - I am only able to buy 30% technical grade H2O2. I have used it before in higher concentrations when I wanted to get rid of fungus gnats larvae. Plants were okay with that technical grade for a longer period of time (at least 2 weeks of constant using). Second option is to buy 12% H2O2 Essentials OxyPlus which price is 15 times larger.
 

rkymtnman

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wow, that is a large system.

so what would a total run approx 12 weeks cost you for the 30%?

and same here, if you walk into a store asking for 30% peroxide, you get funny looks for sure. do it a few times and i wouldnt be surprised if they write down your license plate number.
 

foliage2018

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wow, that is a large system.

so what would a total run approx 12 weeks cost you for the 30%?

and same here, if you walk into a store asking for 30% peroxide, you get funny looks for sure. do it a few times and i wouldnt be surprised if they write down your license plate number.
Yess...the plants were drinking 110l of water each day. It's 80 now.

When I add 0,5ml 30% H2O2 per liter of water each day...it could be about 20-25 litres of H2O2. Technical grade cost is 40USD. Growshop Essentials OxyPlus is (as you guess) somewhere about 600USD.
 

rkymtnman

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i just did some rough calculations:

with your size system running hth pool shock (you should be able to get than anywhere with pool supplies),

you'd need 3.75 grams of it per 500L.

0.30 g/ 10gal for 3ppm free chlorine . 1 to 5 ppm is safe for humans and plants.


either that or you need to brew a whole bunch of heisenberg tea (and on a side note, heisenberg just lost his whole crop because of root rot) so tea also is not fail proof
 
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