Heisenbeans Genetics

[ColoradoHighGrower]

True breeding practices..Not many venture down this path in today's canna climate.

Are hoarding and hunting the only two viable ways of preserving gentic stock?

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

And does it even really matter anyway? Genetics actually offer more diversity with time/stewardship?

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

They didn't fly much while Obama was in office, every once in a while. With Jeff Sessions wanting to go after cannabis again I think there is more funding. This was the busiest year for choppers I've seen in a long time.

I've told this story here before. I was in a patch one morning. I got there late and the sun came up on me. About an hour later I started to notice a hum. I have hearing loss and didn't notice until it was too late.

Several choppers stopped over the patch I was in. They started hovering and out guys come repelling on ropes.

I grabbed a big arm full of buds and headed for cover. Luckily it wasn't a real open area and I had a chance to bolt. I saw a large tree that had fallen over and there was a gap under part of it. I crawled under it and covered myself with leaves. The choppers were blowing them off faster than what I could rake them up. The log was half rotten. I started breaking big chunks of it out and covered myself.

I sat there for over the next hour or so and watch them cut it, tie it up and then fly off with it. I watied another hour or so and then climb out of my hole and went home.

From personal experience. They don't get that big. 5-6 foot on the xxl autos. Maybe slightly bigger.

I'm talking here if you grow anything long flowering they get 12-14 foot tall. Monsters. I've seen plants that get over 15 foot.

Even indicas if planted early here will break 10 foot even.

I'm talking stalks as thick as a man's thigh

For the purposes I'm talking they dont get big.

I vouch for that as I've grown many 15 footers in my time. I'm all but run out from growing outside since they are now growing industrial hemp around here. Theirs so much pollen in the air your gonna have nothing but buds chock full.of seed.

They simply ruined growing outside in my part of KY.

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

Can’t even try to read the crap ole this thread has become. Very disorganized and chaotic. It seems like you were working that GG4 cross and read all the traffic as product interest and decided you want to start a seed company off that premise. Jumped the gun. Started a company based off a brand before you had a product and threw a bunch of autos out to keep intrest... it’s hectic. Price point is a bit high since they’re just chucks and force hermied feminized seeds that will be untested at product release that you’ve clearly stated you’ll giving them away for free to some growers. That's going to hinder startup sales. I’m against chuckers and half the breeders in the industry because they’re shortcuts and half ass methods are the con-artist practices that hinder the genetics industry. You also have way too much going on in my opinion as a start-up. I worry you may be misreading the fact you’ll be giving away seeds as a sustainable product interest/ traffic.
Have you finished testing the GG4 crosses as well?
I will say this. You possess the ability to do something incredibly vetted on a laser focused level. You can try and make the best cake seeds out. With your ability to publicly document breeding. Way too little pictures in here. A lot of these people are just here for the free seeds. You’re also putting a lot on the shoulders of your testers they might as well be your ambassadors but if they fail you fail. Your so early that’s your testing would be just as helpful at gaining interest. In all honesty you can selectively show your product and you don’t know if you can trust your testers. If I was you maybe pump the breaks. Get a journal going on the breeding and testing as well as that GG4 cross.

I don't care if he chucks pollen. Where I'm located their is no place to go and get cuts of wedding cake, udub or whatever else he has. I'm more than willing to pay a little money to try some beans out.
I've spent a lot of money on beans from Europe that were trash.

How many breeders you see on this board documenting their strains their selling?

What will make or break heis is guys getting his beans and growing them out and not looking like the product they purchased or they hermie and certainly not smoking like it.

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

No you cant download it. I didnt pay to release it in the Google play store. I used a program called visual basics. And laid it out kindve like a spread sheet. Would be the best way to explain it. And linked it to my ewelink app that runs all my lights, fans, humidifiers, dehumidifiers. And everything that runs on 120v system. I wireless control of all my tents. Every single thing I can shut down individually or entire tents at a time, or the entire building.

But I use temp sensors in my tent to control humidity and fans. You set on/off points. Humidity gets to a certain point it either kicks on dehumi or humi. Or temp gets to high kicks on fans. Or too low it shuts them off. I have heaters that kick on/off too. But it hasn't got cold enough to run them yet. Getting close.

You can see in the pic. The first wireless switch is off bc the humidity dropped down so it turned off the dehumidifier. But I use the app I made in conjunction with ewelink. I wanna get pressure sensors to place under the pots. And when they get light to a certain limit. It will send a push notification to my phone. To let me know one is light and needs fed. I'm working on program for them now.
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Fuck yeah!

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

I wouldn't make that claim and offer. Doesn't matter how tight a ship you run. Males from fems happens. It's rare. About one in a thousand but it happens. It's not from being sloppy.

It has happened to me before in my greenhouse a few years back. Fans pulled the pollen and I got a shit ton of seed. :-/

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

A buddy grew a pack of Dr greenthumb ecsd s1 a few years ago. Major yielders, all of em. A mix between the sour and diesel combinations, skunky variances as well. A true chance to find a plant equal to or better than ecsd imo.

I've been growing his ecsd for several years now.

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

Black dog is solid but not sure about their other strains. I got three really nice phenos out of the three I ran. 1 is spot on blackberry, the colorful one has a nice taste too but not berry. Here are a couple pics. View attachment 4235499View attachment 4235500

I have black dog amongst my mothers but believe it or not I've never cloned it and flowered anything off it because I've been working on genetics people are wanting. If they hadn't heard of black dog they don't want it. Many around here have never heard of g13, LA confidential, headband, Bruce banner, Casey Jones, c99, etc

If it's in a rap song they want it and don't want anything else but that lol.

I had guys say they didn't want that shit. Told em I had other varieties and asked what they wanted Said og kush so I said ya I have some of that, which I do and said I'm gonna run home and get a lb for ya. Was back 2 hrs later with the exact same bag and they loved it.

 

[whitebb2727]

I vouch for that as I've grown many 15 footers in my time. I'm all but run out from growing outside since they are now growing industrial hemp around here. Theirs so much pollen in the air your gonna have nothing but buds chock full.of seed.

They simply ruined growing outside in my part of KY.

I've grown all over ky.

It has happened to me before in my greenhouse a few years back. Fans pulled the pollen and I got a shit ton of seed. :-/

They make pollen filters you can use on green houses.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I have black dog amongst my mothers but believe it or not I've never cloned it and flowered anything off it because I've been working on genetics people are wanting. If they hadn't heard of black dog they don't want it. Many around here have never heard of g13, LA confidential, headband, Bruce banner, Casey Jones, c99, etc

If it's in a rap song they want it and don't want anything else but that lol.

I had guys say they didn't want that shit. Told em I had other varieties and asked what they wanted Said og kush so I said ya I have some of that, which I do and said I'm gonna run home and get a lb for ya. Was back 2 hrs later with the exact same bag and they loved it.

You are correct sir! My brother had some bomb blue dream, when he told people he had blue dream they all said no. Well he then told them he had blueberry cheese cake amd they couldnt buy it fast enough, all saying it was some of the best shit theyve had! Lol

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

I've grown all over ky.

They make pollen filters you can use on green houses.

I used to grow a lot outside as well in a greenhouse. Wouldn't be a problem to get in 80 lbs or more during the fall outside in the elements. Past 2 years it's been a useless waste of money growing outside in the elements. I tried planting some late so maybe they would miss the pollen but the moths were worse than I've ever seen in my life. Go out at night or even in the day and shine a light on plants and you could pick off 20 worms. Next day 20 more and the next.... All the while they are eating your plant up.

In the greenhouse they were in their as well and it's just become a battle to grow outside. I get some seeds this year in my greenhouse bud but my late stuff I put out in late September didn't have much at all. But the mouths always find a way inside.

 

[whitebb2727]

I used to grow a lot outside as well in a greenhouse. Wouldn't be a problem to get in 80 lbs or more during the fall outside in the elements. Past 2 years it's been a useless waste of money growing outside in the elements. I tried planting some late so maybe they would miss the pollen but the moths were worse than I've ever seen in my life. Go out at night or even in the day and shine a light on plants and you could pick off 20 worms. Next day 20 more and the next.... All the while they are eating your plant up.

In the greenhouse they were in their as well and it's just become a battle to grow outside. I get some seeds this year in my greenhouse bud but my late stuff I put out in late September didn't have much at all. But the mouths always find a way inside.

I get that. I quit outdoors myself. I'm not even running indoors right now.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Quick update on whats going on, Been having major root issues in DWC, None like i have ever dealt with. I ended up losing both scrogs in dwc before i could get to spraying. Did a few test to figure out WTF was going on and it came back to bad hydroguard. The dates on The back were erased off and someone put a price tag date on them.Lesson earned after i got the second gallon and there was no date or sticker. I talked to the rep and he said amazon is notorious for selling garbage hydroguard as they are no an approved vendor, leson learned so i ended up spending 3 days throwing away rocks,air stones,and hoses and pumps.

Now for the good news. The moms were all in dirt and had stayed healthy the whole time and actually grew big enough to get a few cuts. I ended up taking last minute cuts off the DWC plants before they completely shit the bed so i didnt lose any of the moms.They are in dirt now but smaller.

The 4 I have in the flower room now are Wed Cake,GG4,ECSD,and 91 Chem. I started spraying them 2 days ago and have cuts off them in the dome.
ALL S1's will be given away for free from these plants. There will be a small supply because i was limited on the amount of cuts i took but i should have enough for at least 30 packs of each to go out. I will update with pics as soon as they start to throw balls. Ill have at least 6 receiving plants of each mom to make the S1;s .

I have the other 13 strains in the cloner now and as soon as they are rooted will go back to DWC for the next pollen collection runs. There will be crosses of the above 4 moms but seeds will be limited so whoever wants the free packs on the first drop. YOU CAN REQUEST them here and when the drop comes I will make sure toget them seeds out to all the people active on the thread so we can get some pics up here of some dank.

I could care less to make a penny on these first seeds as I am that confident they are gonna be stellar and people will post some pics of the progress.
The second drop will have A LOT more S1s and more variety in crosses.
The first drop will be limited so I will post up exactly how many I have so the first ones who sign up after this post will have first dibs on choice untill they are all gone.
The second drop will be shortly after the first. This is alot more work than most anticipate and i wanna make sure IM GIVING everyone exactly what they are. I plan to be around for a little while and based on the test reports will determine my first few pheno hunts and what i decide to run to select new breeding moms. Doing it this way makes sure i can get them out when you guys have been patient.
Sign up starts here and ill go back after the seeds are packged and we can go from there.
Anyone who has been trying to get ahold of me past few days i have been stupid busy getting things organized and cleaned up to avoid any future issues.

Wedding Cake 3 days CS



91 Chem SkunkVA

 

[klx]

Quick update on whats going on, Been having major root issues in DWC, None like i have ever dealt with. I ended up losing both scrogs in dwc before i could get to spraying. Did a few test to figure out WTF was going on and it came back to bad hydroguard. The dates on The back were erased off and someone put a price tag date on them.Lesson earned after i got the second gallon and there was no date or sticker. I talked to the rep and he said amazon is notorious for selling garbage hydroguard as they are no an approved vendor, leson learned so i ended up spending 3 days throwing away rocks,air stones,and hoses and pumps.

Now for the good news. The moms were all in dirt and had stayed healthy the whole time and actually grew big enough to get a few cuts. I ended up taking last minute cuts off the DWC plants before they completely shit the bed so i didnt lose any of the moms.They are in dirt now but smaller.

The 4 I have in the flower room now are Wed Cake,GG4,ECSD,and 91 Chem. I started spraying them 2 days ago and have cuts off them in the dome.
ALL S1's will be given away for free from these plants. There will be a small supply because i was limited on the amount of cuts i took but i should have enough for at least 30 packs of each to go out. I will update with pics as soon as they start to throw balls. Ill have at least 6 receiving plants of each mom to make the S1;s .

I have the other 13 strains in the cloner now and as soon as they are rooted will go back to DWC for the next pollen collection runs. There will be crosses of the above 4 moms but seeds will be limited so whoever wants the free packs on the first drop. YOU CAN REQUEST them here and when the drop comes I will make sure toget them seeds out to all the people active on the thread so we can get some pics up here of some dank.

I could care less to make a penny on these first seeds as I am that confident they are gonna be stellar and people will post some pics of the progress.
The second drop will have A LOT more S1s and more variety in crosses.
The first drop will be limited so I will post up exactly how many I have so the first ones who sign up after this post will have first dibs on choice untill they are all gone.
The second drop will be shortly after the first. This is alot more work than most anticipate and i wanna make sure IM GIVING everyone exactly what they are. I plan to be around for a little while and based on the test reports will determine my first few pheno hunts and what i decide to run to select new breeding moms. Doing it this way makes sure i can get them out when you guys have been patient.
Sign up starts here and ill go back after the seeds are packged and we can go from there.
Anyone who has been trying to get ahold of me past few days i have been stupid busy getting things organized and cleaned up to avoid any future issues.

Wedding Cake 3 days CS

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91 Chem SkunkVA


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H2O2!!!!!

 

[HydroRed]

H2O2!!!!!

I was going to say the same. When in doubt, peroxide it out.

 

[Tito#1]

Quick update on whats going on, Been having major root issues in DWC, None like i have ever dealt with. I ended up losing both scrogs in dwc before i could get to spraying. Did a few test to figure out WTF was going on and it came back to bad hydroguard. The dates on The back were erased off and someone put a price tag date on them.Lesson earned after i got the second gallon and there was no date or sticker. I talked to the rep and he said amazon is notorious for selling garbage hydroguard as they are no an approved vendor, leson learned so i ended up spending 3 days throwing away rocks,air stones,and hoses and pumps.

Now for the good news. The moms were all in dirt and had stayed healthy the whole time and actually grew big enough to get a few cuts. I ended up taking last minute cuts off the DWC plants before they completely shit the bed so i didnt lose any of the moms.They are in dirt now but smaller.

The 4 I have in the flower room now are Wed Cake,GG4,ECSD,and 91 Chem. I started spraying them 2 days ago and have cuts off them in the dome.
ALL S1's will be given away for free from these plants. There will be a small supply because i was limited on the amount of cuts i took but i should have enough for at least 30 packs of each to go out. I will update with pics as soon as they start to throw balls. Ill have at least 6 receiving plants of each mom to make the S1;s .

I have the other 13 strains in the cloner now and as soon as they are rooted will go back to DWC for the next pollen collection runs. There will be crosses of the above 4 moms but seeds will be limited so whoever wants the free packs on the first drop. YOU CAN REQUEST them here and when the drop comes I will make sure toget them seeds out to all the people active on the thread so we can get some pics up here of some dank.

I could care less to make a penny on these first seeds as I am that confident they are gonna be stellar and people will post some pics of the progress.
The second drop will have A LOT more S1s and more variety in crosses.
The first drop will be limited so I will post up exactly how many I have so the first ones who sign up after this post will have first dibs on choice untill they are all gone.
The second drop will be shortly after the first. This is alot more work than most anticipate and i wanna make sure IM GIVING everyone exactly what they are. I plan to be around for a little while and based on the test reports will determine my first few pheno hunts and what i decide to run to select new breeding moms. Doing it this way makes sure i can get them out when you guys have been patient.
Sign up starts here and ill go back after the seeds are packged and we can go from there.
Anyone who has been trying to get ahold of me past few days i have been stupid busy getting things organized and cleaned up to avoid any future issues.

Wedding Cake 3 days CS

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91 Chem SkunkVA


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Keep it up man no one said it will be easy. Can't wait to try them.

 

[klx]

I was going to say the same. When in doubt, peroxide it out.

Yeah man, I mean each to their own and all and I dont wanna tell people how to grow, but bennies have no place in an indoor hydro grow imo and trying to grow hydro without H2O2 just does not make sense to me...but hey.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Yeah man, I mean each to their own and all and I dont wanna tell people how to grow, but bennies have no place in an indoor hydro grow imo and trying to grow hydro without H2O2 just does not make sense to me...but hey.

Been there done that, Its not the water Its the rocks. when the air stones are pushing that warm air up and it collects around the root zone around the hydroton if the roots are not submerged in H2O2 its useless. Ive tried to top feed using H2O2 and it kills the plants. Trust me i have never had a problem getting monster plants and back to back grows but when the bottle of shit you buy that is a critical element in the system is water than it does you no good.
Another thing i hated about sterile is not knowing the amount that is in the system because you have to keep adding it in every 3 days.
Some of you guys that live in areas where this pathogen isnt as bad have no idea this struggle is real. Bennies have been the ONLY thing that has worked for me. There are 250 page threads here and on ICMAG of people trying to use bleach and H2O2 and have failed miserably. Trust me if it was that simple i would have already done sailed on that ship.
Here is a glass of water of the system water 3 days after sitting out. I had already added 30ML of HTH pool shock to 1 gallon of water and used 3 ML per gallon of that solution in the system. This pythium strain laughed at that shit. The water was clear when i set it out.
Bennies are great when they are actually there cause you cannot add to much. Pool shock and H2O2 are impossible to monitor how much is in and how much evaporated. great for cloners and shit without air stones but in a recirculating DWC There are just to many variables.

3 days after i set this out and it smelled like chlorine when i poured it

 

[klx]

Been there done that, Its not the water Its the rocks. when the air stones are pushing that warm air up and it collects around the root zone around the hydroton if the roots are not submerged in H2O2 its useless. Ive tried to top feed using H2O2 and it kills the plants. Trust me i have never had a problem getting monster plants and back to back grows but when the bottle of shit you buy that is a critical element in the system is water than it does you no good.
Another thing i hated about sterile is not knowing the amount that is in the system because you have to keep adding it in every 3 days.
Some of you guys that live in areas where this pathogen isnt as bad have no idea this struggle is real. Bennies have been the ONLY thing that has worked for me. There are 250 page threads here and on ICMAG of people trying to use bleach and H2O2 and have failed miserably. Trust me if it was that simple i would have already done sailed on that ship.
Here is a glass of water of the system water 3 days after sitting out. I had already added 30ML of HTH pool shock to 1 gallon of water and used 3 ML per gallon of that solution in the system. This pythium strain laughed at that shit. The water was clear when i set it out.
Bennies are great when they are actually there cause you cannot add to much. Pool shock and H2O2 are impossible to monitor how much is in and how much evaporated. great for cloners and shit without air stones but in a recirculating DWC There are just to many variables.

3 days after i set this out and it smelled like chlorine when i poured it

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I am in the sub tropics man, I know all about heat, humidity and pathogens. But like I said, each to their own but I will politely agree to disagree with you on sterile v bennies but thats the beauty of growning!

 

[Heisenbeans]

I am in the sub tropics man, I know all about heat, humidity and pathogens. But like I said, each to their own but I will politely agree to disagree with you on sterile v bennies but thats the beauty of growning!

Impossible to have sterile system. To many other variables including air pathogens,nooks and crannies,pathogens in the rocks,air stones. Unless you plan on using distilled water to clean all your buckets cause as soon as you rinse off all the bleach you used to sterilize you just put the pathogens back over everything.
Pythium is always there looking for the right moment to take hold and it always starts below the root crown in the hydroton. I've tried 30 percent h202 ,zone and all that other shit and hydroguard was the only thing that ever kept it at bay to get through grows.
Now I'm looking into uv sterizilers on the incoming water used to clean the system and uv sterilizer on the RO output line. I may try uc roots on a run from scratch but will still need a chlorine test pen or strips to make sure there is enough ppm to keep the system clean. Not enough and pythium takes over and to much and chlorine toxicity