Greenpoint seeds!!

[thenotsoesoteric]

but have u tried a sip with living organics? that's my point man with this method I get all the benifits you guys get plus I get the organic side! this truly is something special that's why I'm trying so hard to tell everyone!

No, only organic grows Ive done have been outdoors. I started growing in soil when I first got growing but after 16 years Ive gotten to a point were Im confident my hydro will not be shown up by any other bud, organic or synth grown. And Ive made many organic fans eat their own words when they hit my buds.

Im a huge fan of organic methods though and once I got property I will go that route for outdoor but for indoor Ill also go hydro.

The key to hydro and flavor is low ppm/ec. I rarelly go over 600ppm even in heavy flower and medium size indoor plants. If you got multiple lights running and your environmental factors are on point you can go much higher, even higher with co2 @ 85f, maybe up into mid 1000s up to 2000ppm but that level of performance is hard to mantain without big $$$.

 

[Greenthumbs256]

No, only organic grows Ive done have been outdoors. I started growing in soil when I first got growing but after 16 years Ive gotten to a point were Im confident my hydro will not be shown up by any other bud, organic or synth grown. And Ive made many organic fans eat their own words when they hit my buds.

Im a huge fan of organic methods though and once I got property I will go that route for outdoor but for indoor Ill also go hydro.

The key to hydro and flavor is low ppm/ec. I rarelly go over 600ppm even in heavy flower and medium size indoor plants. If you got multiple lights running and your environmental factors are on point you can go much higher, even higher with co2 @ 85f, maybe up into mid 1000s up to 2000ppm but that level of performance is hard to mantain without big $$$.

well that's the great thing about all of this so many opinions and ways to do everything! that's how we have gotten to where we are today! keep on killing it buddy!

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

My soil grows always taste better than any hydro I've run or smoked. More yield in hydro of course. But for taste. Soil is where it's at. If your dialed in. I'd put my soil grow up against any hydro grow of the same strain. And will wreck the taste test. I wont yield as much. But I'd say its be a close race on trich production. Lighting has alot to do with that. But as far as flavor. Soil beats hydro any day of the week. If you know what your doing.

I'd take that bet. Ill put my dro up against any bud. Doesnt mean Id win but Ill willing to gamble.

Either way we can all agree whether its dirt or dro, it sure beats brick weed.

 

[whytewidow]

I would be very happy if they come out like @LubdaNugs he had some beautiful dam cookies and chem, some of the pics he posted is the reason I wanted to try this strain!

I actually just cloned them today, well 4 of the 6 I did, I'm going to up pot them to w.e. pots I have available, either 5-10g smart pots and flower them very soon so I can sex them and kill the males and see if I have any winner, and then those winners will earn a spot in one of my sips!

If I was you and you got a few bucks here n there. Check out radiclebags or rainscience bags. They are leaps n bounds better than smartpots. Dont get me wrong I use smartpots. But if i have an open radiclebag or rainscience bag. I'll use it over the smartys. Yield is better too.

 

[Heisenbeans]

I'd take that bet. Ill put my dro up against any bud. Doesnt mean Id win but Ill willing to gamble.

Either way we can all agree whether its dirt or dro, it sure beats brick weed.

I agree.my wife and others like the hydro better as far as taste.any hydro that taste bad was cause they cooked em.the last 2 weeks I run low ec than 3 days of just plain water.shit always taste clean and dank.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I agree.my wife and others like the hydro better as far as taste.any hydro that taste bad was cause they cooked em.the last 2 weeks I run low ec than 3 days of just plain water.shit always taste clean and dank.

When I moved to Oregon a few years ago everyone was on this organic hippie tip talking shit about hydro and synthetic nutes. This one cat kept bragging about how his buddy only grows organically blah blah blah. So I tell dude to break out some of this great bud. The shit was garbage. So I pack up a bowl of an old miyagi pheno I had that tasted like Tang drink, dude hits it and the look on his face said it all. "Holy shit dude! Where the fuck you buy this?" Then I told him I grew it indoor and this fucking dude starts talking down about hydro. Even though he literally just said it was one of the best weeds he had ever tasted. If the hydro aint coming out just as tasty as soil then something went wrong. Thats just my opinion.

 

[Heisenbeans]

When I moved to Oregon a few years ago everyone was on this organic hippie tip talking shit about hydro and synthetic nutes. This one cat kept bragging about how his buddy only grows organically blah blah blah. So I tell dude to break out some of this great bud. The shit was garbage. So I pack up a bowl of an old miyagi pheno I had that tasted like Tang drink, dude hits it and the look on his face said it all. "Holy shit dude! Where the fuck you buy this?" Then I told him I grew it indoor and this fucking dude starts talking down about hydro. Even though he literally just said it was one of the best weeds he had ever tasted. If the hydro aint coming out just as tasty as soil then something went wrong. Thats just my opinion.

My hydro taste better than than anything I ever grew in fox farms.

 

[Yodaweed]

My hydro taste better than than anything I ever grew in fox farms.

I grow hydro and organic and my hydro while it yields more and it's way more frosty definitely doesn't bring the oils and terps like my ROLS does.

For flavor nothing compares to quality organic. Organic takes more skill tho and a lot more experience.

Right now i'm growing some purple gsc x animal cookies in hydro and some white fire og in organic right next to them, i like doing side by side it really shows a good comparison.

And i can tell you right now, fox farms is shit, it's not organic it's some really shitty soil i wouldn't even bother with it. If that's all you got to compare to i can see why you are mistaken.

 

[Bodyne]

When I moved to Oregon a few years ago everyone was on this organic hippie tip talking shit about hydro and synthetic nutes. This one cat kept bragging about how his buddy only grows organically blah blah blah. So I tell dude to break out some of this great bud. The shit was garbage. So I pack up a bowl of an old miyagi pheno I had that tasted like Tang drink, dude hits it and the look on his face said it all. "Holy shit dude! Where the fuck you buy this?" Then I told him I grew it indoor and this fucking dude starts talking down about hydro. Even though he literally just said it was one of the best weeds he had ever tasted. If the hydro aint coming out just as tasty as soil then something went wrong. Thats just my opinion.

The outdoor folks out there are the worst. They somehow think yeild corresponds to quality. Looks good, but just not finished proper and nowhere near as good as their indoor, no matterwhat. Gold Hill had the first club open a few yrs ago and he told me, 65% of all outdoor submitted was refused by testing due to mites, mold, pesticides. I'd have outdoor given to me, and if you didn't scope it, you were in for a rude awakening. But again, most outdoor gets exported, so I don't think they really cared. What got my goat was they'd give it to their patients to smoke, sometimes free, but so what, so you can get a lung infection off moldy weed, lol. I had them same hippies trying to tell me how proud they was takin shits in the river, livin on the land, stinkin, etc. I just said Im a hippie at heart, lol. Damndest thing I ever seen. Indoor out there though can be very very good. jmho

 

[Greenthumbs256]

well in some time when I have more room I'll do a side by side with the same clones and find out who wins for overall! at least so I know for myself lol

 

[Yodaweed]

well in some time when I have more room I'll do a side by side with the same clones and find out who wins for overall! at least so I know for myself lol

I just ran 2 white fire og clones in hydro vs 2 white fire og clones in ROLS soil, same lighting (315 cmh + LED) , I prefered the organic had mixed reviews from friends but everyone said the flavor was better on the organic, potency kinda swayed some people (my hydro is serious business potent as fuck)

I also been running SIPs but do them outdoors (it's dry as shit here so the ROLS help keep soil moist for tomato plants)

 

[2easy]

I have grown full organic with great results and i grow coco now because i honestly dont think there is any difference as long as your doing both methods right.

The argument that one is better than the other is just a moo point.... its a cows opinion.... its moo

 

[Yodaweed]

I have grown full organic with great results and i grow coco now because i honestly dont think there is any difference as long as your doing both methods right.

The argument that one is better than the other is just a moo point.... its a cows opinion.... its moo

I kinda agree but also disagree and here's why

Coco and other hydroponic systems are limited by the amount of inputs you give them, organic soils are much much more diverse, when you use hydro you might run like 5-10 bottles, the ingredients total maybe 100 things inputted into the system.

Organic has literally billions of different types of inputs that are being fed to the plant via the soil food web, when done properly it's much more diverse and that's why you can see an increase in flavor profile and also in how the plant looks, i notice a lot more beautiful fades and fall colors in my organic compared to my hydro, which can definately bring out different terps and flavonoids.

If you are unskilled in one but skilled in another you might not notice any difference, but if you are skilled in both and compare you will see vast differences.

This is a picture of my organic wifi og grown next to my wifi og hydro, this same cut turned purple/black in organic and my hydro was totally green with a slight yellow fade. This produces different flavors.

 

[Greenthumbs256]

but ya see everyone here either has an opinion on organics or on hydro!
but what yall aren't getting is the sip pots with living soil and taking advantage of proboitics isn't in either one of those categories, it's truly on a level by itself! in ways you can compare it to both, but the results are nothing alike either hydro or your normal organics! you guys should youtube and check out Pedros grow room he's also does the same way I do! it's truly something special, in about a year give or take I can compare all three methods and see which is truly superior! I can't say it blows the hydro away bc I dont do hydro! but regular organics isn't shit compared to the growth rate I'm getting with the sips! I'm telling ya guys yall should look into it!

 

[Greenthumbs256]

it's literally like a hydro pot and a living soil container got together, got high, and made the best fucking baby in the world! and this baby just so happened to take the best things from both! LMFAO


I was never arguing that organics is better than hydro or vise versa!

what I'm arguing is that a sip pot with a living soil, and taking advantage of proboitics, blows away both hydro and organic. lmfao

 

[Yodaweed]

but ya see everyone here either has an opinion on organics or on hydro!
but what yall aren't getting is the sip pots with living soil and taking advantage of proboitics isn't in either one of those categories, it's truly on a level by itself! in ways you can compare it to both, but the results are nothing alike either hydro or your normal organics! you guys should youtube and check out Pedros grow room he's also does the same way I do! it's truly something special, in about a year give or take I can compare all three methods and see which is truly superior! I can't say it blows the hydro away bc I dont do hydro! but regular organics isn't shit compared to the growth rate I'm getting with the sips! I'm telling ya guys yall should look into it!

SIPs with living organic soil won't grow as fast as hydro.

Salt based nutrients are already broken down for immediate absorption, in living soil nutrients are broken down by bacteria.

The main advantage to hydro is using salt based nutrients in a solution for immediate uptake so the plant does as little work as possible and grows as fat as possible (think about a fat guy on a couch with fattening food brought to him vs a farmer that needs to go plow his fields to work for his food)

 

[Greenthumbs256]

SIPs with living organic soil won't grow as fast as hydro.

Salt based nutrients are already broken down for immediate absorption, in living soil nutrients are broken down by bacteria.

there's the answer I was looking for dam I knew they grew twice as fast as reg organics but dam I was hoping it was just as fast as hydro or better!

but I think I'm OK with a Lil slower growing them hydro if It can produce and over all better product! at least it's twice as fast as reg organics! but steals the benefits of the organics!

 

[whytewidow]

I'd take that bet. Ill put my dro up against any bud. Doesnt mean Id win but Ill willing to gamble.

Either way we can all agree whether its dirt or dro, it sure beats brick weed.

It absolutely does. Lol.

But..... I'm the Midsgand leader.

 

[Yodaweed]

there's the answer I was looking for dam I knew they grew twice as fast as reg organics but dam I was hoping it was just as fast as hydro or better!

but I think I'm OK with a Lil slower growing them hydro if It can produce and over all better product! at least it's twice as fast as reg organics! but steals the benefits of the organics!

SIPS grow faster than normal organic since they have more moisture and take the guess work out of watering (since it's key to keep soil evenly moist for organic gardening).

 

[Greenthumbs256]

SIPs with living organic soil won't grow as fast as hydro.

Salt based nutrients are already broken down for immediate absorption, in living soil nutrients are broken down by bacteria.

The main advantage to hydro is using salt based nutrients in a solution for immediate uptake so the plant does as little work as possible and grows as fat as possible (think about a fat guy on a couch with fattening food brought to him vs a farmer that needs to go plow his fields to work for his food)

but with the sip, it's a fat guy doing the farming too! I just can't see how hydro would be superior, when they have taken the best from both worlds and smashed them together ya know!

unless it really all does comes down to the salts in ferts, if that's the case why not use the same shit in the rez of the sip????