Feeding in coco

upnsmoke13

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He's right, feeding every watering requires less ppm. The roots are getting nutes continuously so a weaker solution is needed. I'm running Canna A&B at 600-700ppm at around 7 weeks from seed.
Some people learn through mistakes but you could avoid this one, just start lower than you think.
 

JohnDee

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The runoff should be lower than what you put in that a sign the plant is using the nutrients. Idealy you would want the runoff to be much lower than what you put in. The amount that is missing from the runoff is what the plant is using.
Neville..dude you were stoned when you wrote this. I can tell. Actually in theory, there's some accuracy there. When you water to runoff...the runoff ppm will be close to what you put in...unless you have some nutrient build up. In which case runoff ppm will be higher. Possibly even way higher...indicating a rootzone problem.

That's about all the info you'll get from runoff ppm.
JD
 

Neville Longbottom

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Neville..dude you were stoned when you wrote this. I can tell. Actually in theory, there's some accuracy there. When you water to runoff...the runoff ppm will be close to what you put in...unless you have some nutrient build up. In which case runoff ppm will be higher. Possibly even way higher...indicating a rootzone problem.

That's about all the info you'll get from runoff ppm.
JD
Nope not stoned. My runoff is consistently about 300ppm lower than what i put in. And when my room isn't in balance like if my temps, humidity, or when i feed too much or to little my plants use less nutes. I can tell because the ec of my runoff goes up and if i don't fix the problem my run off continues to get higher. To me this seems like an indication of the plant using nutes. I have no evidence but i would bet if i supplemented co2 the difference between what's feed and the run off would increase.
 

Jypsy Dog

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Nope not stoned. My runoff is consistently about 300ppm lower than what i put in. And when my room isn't in balance like if my temps, humidity, or when i feed too much or to little my plants use less nutes. I can tell because the ec of my runoff goes up and if i don't fix the problem my run off continues to get higher. To me this seems like an indication of the plant using nutes. I have no evidence but i would bet if i supplemented co2 the difference between what's feed and the run off would increase.
You honestly believe your plants take in more nutes than water?? That's the ONLY way your EC would drop. As the plants "drink" the salts levels increase between feedings.
https://cocoforcannabis.com/ectargets/
 

Neville Longbottom

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You honestly believe your plants take in more nutes than water?? That's the ONLY way your EC would drop. As the plants "drink" the salts levels increase between feedings.
https://cocoforcannabis.com/ectargets/
Well if its not the plants idk where is going because my run off is consistently lower than what i feed. And i dont have salt build up so its not in the medium, where do you think the nutrient is going?
 

JohnDee

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Hi Guys,
How about this scenario.

Would it be possible to have a situation where the coco is a little "starved" from underfeeding. Then when you add nutrients...some of them get snagged up by the cation sites (of which there are many)...thus lowering ppm.

I offer that as a possible explanation to why Neville's runoff always reads lower. Do you do that Neville? Feed very gently?

Anyway...I don't think you can draw too many conclusions from your low runoff except for maybe "Cool...no salt build up".
Cheers
JD
 

Neville Longbottom

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Hi Guys,
How about this scenario.

Would it be possible to have a situation where the coco is a little "starved" from underfeeding. Then when you add nutrients...some of them get snagged up by the cation sites (of which there are many)...thus lowering ppm.

I offer that as a possible explanation to why Neville's runoff always reads lower. Do you do that Neville? Feed very gently?

Anyway...I don't think you can draw too many conclusions from your low runoff except for maybe "Cool...no salt build up".
Cheers
JD
That might be possible. I do prefer to feed light rather than heavy.
 

Flash63

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R/H plays a huge role in how your plant uses nutrients as well..a higher r/h will require more nutrients as the plant will not take up as much water,salt builds up when the r/h is low and the plant is using more water and leaving salts in the medium.
In short your feedings should change with the seasons ..less in the winter (dry) more in the summer (humid)personally I let the plant tell me what it needs,less is more imo.
 

Jypsy Dog

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R/H plays a huge role in how your plant uses nutrients as well..a higher r/h will require more nutrients as the plant will not take up as much water,salt builds up when the r/h is low and the plant is using more water and leaving salts in the medium.
In short your feedings should change with the seasons ..less in the winter (dry) more in the summer (humid)personally I let the plant tell me what it needs,less is more imo.
That's backwards. Lower in high temps, plant pulls more water.
 

tanbor

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Well man..my light is 1200w (2x600w for better destribution) LED, i was giving her until 2 days before 1.2 but they really looked like was underfeeded..so i desided to give her 1.5..but i was wrongly watered/feeded and from now i ll give her everytime phed nuted water, and only when the surface starts to dry. as a man from above told me and as i have seen that many times at very good results(in viedeos)..she has 12 upcoming tops..she is 30 days old from seed's sprout.the problem on her was my wongly everyday W/F..i pulled out all her nutes before she eats them,with the next day plain phed water.plain phed water only if the run off is too high..soo ..from now i wait for the better progress..
Whats your nutrient/water temps. And the pots way to big for the plant size. Its struggling to get oxygen in the root ball. I recon start some new ones and repot as following, start in 6 inch pot, repot to 10 inch then what ever size you decide to flower in. This is done all in veg. Make sure the leaves are well past edges of the pot before repotting. Also let the pot dry out before repot so the coco dosn't fall apart and damage roots. To try fix your current plant it really needs a good dry out (this could take 3-4 days looking at how big those pots are) to get the oxygen in to the roots then Feed it 1.2 ec untill you see run off then stop. Let it dry out again keep repeating. Dont worry about the plain water untill it gets big enough for that big pot. The nute at 1.2 ec is quite week so it won't need the plain water. The plain water helps when they're big and flowering and can dry the pot out quickly..
 
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Pepe le skunk

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Most waterings should include cal/ mag in Coco. Most importantly. You can do plain water every few waterings to help flush. Don't forget vitamino to help keep away pm. (Amino) and silica in veg. Also a flush with floraclean or similar every 40 days or so.
 

xtsho

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Most waterings should include cal/ mag in Coco. Most importantly. You can do plain water every few waterings to help flush. Don't forget vitamino to help keep away pm. (Amino) and silica in veg. Also a flush with floraclean or similar every 40 days or so.
I don't do any of that stuff. I grow in straight coco. No calmag, silica, or anything other than base nutrients. If your base uses calcium nitrate for it's nitrogen source there is plenty of calcium without adding calmag. I never run plain water through coco to flush anything and I've never used a product such as floraclean. The results are great. I don't believe in using unnecessary products. I feed 800 ppm strength at the peak and taper down to 1/4 - 1/2 strength by harvest. I feed until chop and never flush.

I don't know what nutrients you're using but they might be lacking in calcium requiring the use of calmag. I'm pretty sure FloraKleen is just diluted sucrose and glucose and not worth the money. Well I know it's not worth the money because I don't use it and my plants growing in coco do fine.

Regardless, I don't use anything but calcium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, and a micronutrient blend. I know that there are tons of products out there targeting cannabis growing but most are not needed and have no real value as far as the end result. They don't do any harm but they also don't do any good.
 

Pepe le skunk

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I was under the impression that pure Coco doesn't allow calcium to stay in solution or is extremely low and washes out of the Coco.
Calcium nitrate is really strong concentrate.
How do you wash out the salts from the nutrients out of the Coco? Keep them from building up?
Using gh 3 part.
My tds shows 1400-1600 in flower. Last 4 weeks, water w bloombastic, terpenx, molasses, 3rd plain water, 2nd to last flush w/water and floraclean and last just water. When mostly dry, stick in dark for 3 days. Then breakdown to branches and hang dry. I thought Coco was just like hydro, but gave you more days between waterings.
 

DocktaGreenThumb

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I was under the impression that pure Coco doesn't allow calcium to stay in solution or is extremely low and washes out of the Coco.
Calcium nitrate is really strong concentrate.
How do you wash out the salts from the nutrients out of the Coco? Keep them from building up?
Using gh 3 part.
My tds shows 1400-1600 in flower. Last 4 weeks, water w bloombastic, terpenx, molasses, 3rd plain water, 2nd to last flush w/water and floraclean and last just water. When mostly dry, stick in dark for 3 days. Then breakdown to branches and hang dry. I thought Coco was just like hydro, but gave you more days between waterings.
Very accurate. I wanted to call a few people out, but I frown upon that kind of thing.

Cal-Mag is needed for around 8/10 base nutrient solutions for coco. Supliments always help and I've never seen better results.

Getting a lower reading on your run off just sounds like the person needs thicker glasses.. that's just not explainable..

Cutting back nutrients before switching to flower doesn't consist with the nature of plants. The plants use every bit of what you give them and they dont switch to the flowering phase over night.

To each is own, however, misinformation kills plants..
 

xtsho

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I was under the impression that pure Coco doesn't allow calcium to stay in solution or is extremely low and washes out of the Coco.
Calcium nitrate is really strong concentrate.
How do you wash out the salts from the nutrients out of the Coco? Keep them from building up?
Using gh 3 part.
My tds shows 1400-1600 in flower. Last 4 weeks, water w bloombastic, terpenx, molasses, 3rd plain water, 2nd to last flush w/water and floraclean and last just water. When mostly dry, stick in dark for 3 days. Then breakdown to branches and hang dry. I thought Coco was just like hydro, but gave you more days between waterings.

Why are you using molasses in coco?

Calcium nitrate works great as a nitrogen source. I've been growing in coco for years and flood and drain before that. I've never used calmag and I've never experienced any deficiencies. That's because of the calcium in the calcium nitrate. 1400 - 1600 is twice as high as I run. I also don't flush. The salts don't build up if you don't use too much.

I don't do anything special. I use VitaGrow which has been around for almost 20 years and is put out by the oldest hydroponics store in Portland.
 

boilingoil

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I was under the impression that pure Coco doesn't allow calcium to stay in solution or is extremely low and washes out of the Coco.
Calcium nitrate is really strong concentrate.
How do you wash out the salts from the nutrients out of the Coco? Keep them from building up?
Using gh 3 part.
My tds shows 1400-1600 in flower. Last 4 weeks, water w bloombastic, terpenx, molasses, 3rd plain water, 2nd to last flush w/water and floraclean and last just water. When mostly dry, stick in dark for 3 days. Then breakdown to branches and hang dry. I thought Coco was just like hydro, but gave you more days between waterings.
I feed my coir plants with a max of 550 ppm (1.1ec) in bloom. veg is around 400 ppm.
Why does the growing community think cannabis is any different from any other plants on this earth as far as nutrient requirements?
 

xtsho

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I feed my coir plants with a max of 550 ppm (1.1ec) in bloom. veg is around 400 ppm.
Why does the growing community think cannabis is any different from any other plants on this earth as far as nutrient requirements?
Why? Because of the cannabis nutrient industry and their marketing. They sell cannabis specific nutes whatever that is and they have convinced people that cannabis is a special plant that requires fairy dust to grow. You don't need to treat cannabis any different than other plants. The forums are filled with people experiencing problems even though they're using a dozen bottles with fancy labels and cool sounding names that they sold a kidney to pay for.

But what do I know other than I never have issues even though I don't use all the stuff other people use. If all that other stuff is so good then why do so many people have so many problems even though they're using all 16 bottles of some cannabis specific nutrient line?

I'll keep my money in my wallet. I'm growing a plant not playing chemist.
 
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