Canoeing of young one

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Gunfer420

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Hello all, little help is needed. I just started my 2nd micro grow a few days ago, bought some sensi seeds but ended up planting the one i got for free and it was auto anesthesia from pyramid seeds.
Everything was going okay with the germination and later the seed popped out in like 24 hrs, which amazed me because i was used to wait for at least 48 before anything happens. Anyway aroumd day 3 the problems started, first one cotyledon dried out and fell off (obviously too soon) and then the first true leaves that emerged were both in a v shape, which at first i thought its okay but then 2 days had passed and no significant progress in terms of growth was made. Now i know that plant sometimes focuses primarily to develop root system and then growth but with the canoeing and all i got a bit uneased with how my plant started behaving.

Do you think its heat stress? Because at the moment they are under 2 6500k bulbs, one led 12.5w and other cfl 24w, so no real heat is emitted and the temps are steady at 84 deg daytime, 77 night and humidity is around 40%. Please share if you have any idea what it is and what should i do.

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Yea, thats the only thing i went wrong with. Bought some soil from local store which i heard was great but then i realised it was the wrong one. Instead of for flowers i bought for citruses but i've read somewherw that its not a big deal so i decided to leave her there. The soil is wet because it was pictured right after the first watering. Should have waited maybe a few days but it was bone dry so i figured it wont do no harm. If anythung the stem looks nice and healthy but wtf is with that canoeing? :(
 
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heat stress, try to keep it under 80F. Being so young, it doesnt have the mass to take high temps right now.
 
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and try to get new soil. Your soil is to wet. When you start seedlings, its important to just water, VERY TINY amount right at the base, next day, a inch away from the base. Very small amount, again. Next day 2 inches from base. Next day, Base. Then 1inch next day. So, for the first 7 days, water very little, and work away from base. The roots will search for that small bit of water. You have to imagine the root growth. No need to water all the soil, because the roots wont get to it anyways, and is a waste.
 
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InTheValley said:
and try to get new soil. Your soil is to wet. When you start seedlings, its important to just water, VERY TINY amount right at the base, next day, a inch away from the base. Very small amount, again. Next day 2 inches from base. Next day, Base. Then 1inch next day. So, for the first 7 days, water very little, and work away from base. The roots will search for that small bit of water. You have to imagine the root growth. No need to water all the soil, because the roots wont get to it anyways, and is a waste.
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Okay, thanks for the tip, I replanted it into same soil but new and added some perlite (3:1 ratio) because this soil seemed heavy so im hoping it will show some results.
Do you think it will make full recovery?
 
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Gunfer420

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Kushash said:
Might be a good idea to get a better soil while it is still small.
MJ likes soil that drains well and I see no aeration in that soil.
If you leave it in that you may have problems all the way through flower.
Soil choice is very important.
This link might help.
Good Luck!
https://www.growweedeasy.com/soil
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Already did that, plus i added some perlite for better drainage. Gonna try to pull this one off with this soil that i got and then my next grow will be in a better soil.
Man, to think that i had everything thought through this time...:/
 
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Hello, can anyone tell me wrf is going on? Finally my seedling got all the perfect conditions but still started to clawing (this time down) with her 2nd set of true leaves. I will dnt know if you can see it but this that looks like cotyledon are acutally those 2nd set of leaves. Should I be worried? This is my 2nd grow and it already has more setbacks that my first one ever had.
 

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Gunfer420

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By the looks of it, it seems that is abiut N toxicity, probably from the soil because i havent fed her anything but plain water so far
 
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CannaCountry said:
Check your soil then...what is its NPK value, what does the soil mix contain specifically?
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Well my ph is 5.0 which is a bit low i,know, so im planning to afs a bit of baking soda to my next watering, I head it can raise ph levels of the soil well. Well my other concern are those.claw like leaves because Not only the 2nd set is affected but the 3rd one which was brand new got it too, so im wandering will that go on and i'll end up with a deformed, down-syndrome like plant with no buds or there is a chance for it to recover? Is pure flushing a good idea next time?
 
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Yes, your pH is a bit low. I've not heard of using baking soda, but hey if it works, go for it. But don't just arbitrarily add some...try to be somewhat scientific about it, so you're not goofing things up even more. In terms of a N toxicity; your plant is so small it's near impossible to say what is or isn't wrong with it, if anything. If you think it's from the soil being too hot, I'd just water and let the plant grow out of the soil...it may take time, but short of drowning it, it will most likely be fine. Whatever you do; don't flush. Flushing is a misnomer and definitely not something you want to do in a soil grow.
 
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CannaCountry said:
Yes, your pH is a bit low. I've not heard of using baking soda, but hey if it works, go for it. But don't just arbitrarily add some...try to be somewhat scientific about it, so you're not goofing things up even more. In terms of a N toxicity; your plant is so small it's near impossible to say what is or isn't wrong with it, if anything. If you think it's from the soil being too hot, I'd just water and let the plant grow out of the soil...it may take time, but short of drowning it, it will most likely be fine. Whatever you do; don't flush. Flushing is a misnomer and definitely not something you want to do in a soil grow.
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Well thanks for.your advice man and yes I believe its the soil because I bought the right kind (called compo sana), the one I've read people had only positive experiences with but as I mentioned above, I mistakenly bought the one for citruses which I later found out it could be a bit hot for a young seedling. I dont know , this one had problemrs right feom the start, first two set of leaves were canoed upward, then they got straighten out but the second and now the third set of.truw leaves are all wrinkled and in a claw-like shape and it couldnt be the temp or moisture because both are fairly stabile. So the only thing left is the soil...but i don't know how can it make such a difference especially because this is feminised auto anesthesia, so not some weak ass bag seed. My last grow i literally used some dirt my mom had on her balcony garden and it worked fine after relocating (had some issues with the lights, plant nearly died, spent four weeks in a seedling stage like it was 2 days old), after which it blossomed right away. Figured if such huge setback didnt throw her off, this one should be a piece of cake but as you see problems are almost occuring out of nowhere.
 
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I me a look at it, Ive seen a couple of grows, had one done myself before but never ever have I seen such curling in a young seedling grown in relatively stable environment
 

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Gunfer420 said:
I me a look at it, Ive seen a couple of grows, had one done myself before but never ever have I seen such curling in a young seedling grown in relatively stable environment
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Nitrogen and/or wind. Doubting the wind. Suggest switching to Lucas formula and avoid a lot of unnecessary problems. Adjust your feed pH and forget trying to adjust soil pH.
 
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And baking soda is fine to raise feed pH. A 1/4 teaspoon add in a gallon of feed will raise it considerably . However your EC also rises with the addition of bicarb.
 
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