Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

Chronikool

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I just tried a FPJ (Aloe + Comfrey) as a foliar for the 1st time on my veg tent. (its being about an hour. Turned the lights of after) I figured these 2 would make a good combo as one. (maybe kelp and these 2 would be better)

Anywayz...interested if anybody else is having good success and uses FPJ's as part of their foliar routines?

Just tried 50ml to about 2 litres. But may up this dosage.
So 12 hours later. No adverse effects from the spray down. Will continue to monitor. :)
 

DonTesla

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Have you tried aloe in a soil drench?
My plants are flowering and I don't like to spray them with anything. Humidity is also high so PM is in the air...
Yea bud. That I understand completely. Same here. You can use the same formula for drenching, or cut in half if you have light feeders.. sativa doms.. etc. Heavy feeders, indicas, can go nuts as is.

To help fight that PM, might want to sprinkle a TBSP of frass onto each topsoil.. water in, if you're still looking at a month or more in flower.

Can also drench with diluted 'LABS', that should help boost immune systems as well..
 

MrKnotty

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Just got some of the scobe too, we were talking about this, half jokingly, are you gonna give it a shot, I'd be all ears!
I forgot all about this haha. I will try it eventually on some ladies that dont make it into the garden and let you know though. I mean if you can make pants from scobis, they can probably do anything.
 

Gritzman

Member
They will help. You will still have salts and chemicals in the soil. It will help bioremediate the soil. Plants get better and better each generation when using ferments

KNF - Korean Natural Farming

Jadam - Revised version of KNF

FFJ - Fermented Fruit Juice ( red yellow, orange fruits, no citrus)
FPJ - Fermented Plant Juice ( 1 type of fermented plants at a time)
FAA - Fish Amino Acids (fermented fish)
FPE - Fermented Plant Extract (fruits or plants using labs and water in ferment)
Labs - Lactic Acid Bacteria / Lactobacillus (fermented milk and rice wash and activated with molasses or brown sugar and water)
IMO - Indiginious Microorganisms - Fermented rice outdoors
Bokashi - IMO - Fermented rice bran or wheat bran with molasses, water, and labs or em1
Can Sucanat or sugar cane be substituted for molasses or brown sugar?
 

hyroot

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EM5 is often used as a type of homemade pesticide. The fermentation extracts properties out of plant materials and the alcohol and retains them in the liquid. The EM•1 in the recipe is the fermentation catalyst. EM•1 itself has no pesticide qualities at all. This is an all-natural concoction that can be made by anyone and is in no way harmful to humans or animals. It combines water, EM•1, a distilled spirit, molasses, and vinegar. The most successful programs with EM5 involve alternating its applications with Activated EM•1 and EMFPE. EM5 is effective for reducing pest populations because EM5 contains esters formed by mixing acetic acid and alcohol, which provokes intestinal intoxication.

The formula for one gallon of EM5 is as follows (1:1:1:1:20):

3/4 C EM•1
3/4 C Molasses
3/4 C Vinegar (white or apple cider)
3/4 C distilled alcohol (vodka, whiskey, tequila)
Add some other plant material (fresh hot peppers or garlic...or fresh herbs that have known pesticide properties like mint leaves, lavender, eucalyptus, mella luca, neem, etc.)
Fill the gallon container with warm water (110-120ºF)
Seal and ferment until pH goes below 4.0, 7-11 days
Spray EM5 alternately with EM•1.or EM•1 Fermented Plant Extract through a hose-end sprayer. The thought here is to prevent the pests from getting used to or building a tolerance to the same product.

Often people will set up an informal program as follows (Diluting the AEM•1, EM5, or EM FPE with 500 parts water):

Week One: Apply AEM•1, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Two: Apply EM5, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Three: Apply EM FPE, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Four: Apply AEM•1®, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property

This pattern is repeated throughout the growing season.
 

MrKnotty

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EM5 is often used as a type of homemade pesticide. The fermentation extracts properties out of plant materials and the alcohol and retains them in the liquid. The EM•1 in the recipe is the fermentation catalyst. EM•1 itself has no pesticide qualities at all. This is an all-natural concoction that can be made by anyone and is in no way harmful to humans or animals. It combines water, EM•1, a distilled spirit, molasses, and vinegar. The most successful programs with EM5 involve alternating its applications with Activated EM•1 and EMFPE. EM5 is effective for reducing pest populations because EM5 contains esters formed by mixing acetic acid and alcohol, which provokes intestinal intoxication.

The formula for one gallon of EM5 is as follows (1:1:1:1:20):

3/4 C EM•1
3/4 C Molasses
3/4 C Vinegar (white or apple cider)
3/4 C distilled alcohol (vodka, whiskey, tequila)
Add some other plant material (fresh hot peppers or garlic...or fresh herbs that have known pesticide properties like mint leaves, lavender, eucalyptus, mella luca, neem, etc.)
Fill the gallon container with warm water (110-120ºF)
Seal and ferment until pH goes below 4.0, 7-11 days
Spray EM5 alternately with EM•1.or EM•1 Fermented Plant Extract through a hose-end sprayer. The thought here is to prevent the pests from getting used to or building a tolerance to the same product.

Often people will set up an informal program as follows (Diluting the AEM•1, EM5, or EM FPE with 500 parts water):

Week One: Apply AEM•1, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Two: Apply EM5, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Three: Apply EM FPE, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property
Week Four: Apply AEM•1®, 1 gallon for 1/2 acre property

This pattern is repeated throughout the growing season.
Always dropping knowledge like a boss. Gracias!
 

Miyagismokes

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Is the rice wash at all necessary for LABS? don't I get the same if I let milk spoil naturally? Milk should always favor lactose consumers.
If the milk needs inocculation, you could just spit in it, right? Lacto is natural oral flora...
 

hyroot

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Is the rice wash at all necessary for LABS? don't I get the same if I let milk spoil naturally? Milk should always favor lactose consumers.
If the milk needs inocculation, you could just spit in it, right? Lacto is natural oral flora...

Yes. Rice wash provides carbs for the bacteria to feed on. Without the rice wash domesticated bacteria strains that thrive in milk will outcompete other bacteria. You won't get the same results.

You can use cereal or other grains instead of rice. Just make sure no pesticides or glyphosates were used on them, like general mills does. They use chemical pesticides and they use glyphosate as a ripening agent on their fields. C&H sugar does the same too.
 
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hyroot

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Some of my genetics that I'm currently running . The seeds were harvested in April 2017


Bermuda breath - Benevolence x mendo breath f1 day 27

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Highland Breath - Benevolence x Oaxacan Highland Gold Mexican Landrace. Day 28


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I'll have f2 seeds of highland breath available at the end of the year.

I still have several bermuda breath males to flower and hunt to make f2's and test them. So it will be a while for those. I'll have some other f1's available next year once testing phase is done.
 
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ACitizenofColorado

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Some of my genetics that I'm currently running . The seeds were harvested in April 2017


Bermuda breath - Benevolence x mendo breath f1 day 27

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Highland Breath - Benevolence x Oaxacan Highland Gold Mexican Landrace. Day 28


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I'll have f2 seeds of highland breath available at the end of the year.

I still have several bermuda breath males to flower and hunt to make f2's and test them. So it will be a while for those. I'll have some other f1's available next year once testing phase is done.
Hyroot, your pictures are beautiful! In which state are you located/will the seeds be available?
 

hyroot

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CAL-PHOS

1.Collect a bunch of eggshells and wash to remove inside filaments. Remember, you can also use bones and other good sources of calcium like seashells, clams and oysters, etc. Likewise, if you only want calcium, even limestone can be used, or simple lime. Egg shells for soluble calcium. Animal bones for soluble phos.

2. Pan fry the eggshells or bones. Fry until some are brown/black, some white. The burnt shells are your Calcium source while the white are the Phosphorus source.

3.After roasting the eggshells or bones, grind them up. You can do it manually, with a mortar and pestle, throw them in a blender or electric coffee grinder, etc.

4. Add them to a jar and add 5 parts vinegar by volume. For example, if you have 1 cup ground shells, add 5 cups vinegar.

The acid in the vinegar helps digest them. You will notice bubbling as this process converts the ingredients to liquid calcium phosphate.

5. Wait until tiny bubbles disappear

6. Seal the jar and ferment for 20 days.

7. Filter into another jar

8. Now you’ve made your own Calcium Phosphate

NOW :How to Use

Mix 1 tbsp per gallon

Plants

Spray on leaves during transition phase to flower, and when fruits are large and mature

Transition Phase: Induces flowering, eases nutrient demands of transition phase, strengthens flowers

Mature Fruit: Strengthens plant stems, leaves, fruits, helps fruit mature properly for optimum sweet flavor.

You can also skip the vinegar and compost the cal-phos and feed them to worms. Then you will have compost with phos solublizing enzymes and high phos compost.
 
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DankTankerous

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CAL-PHOS

1.Collect a bunch of eggshells and wash to remove inside filaments. Remember, you can also use bones and other good sources of calcium like seashells, clams and oysters, etc. Likewise, if you only want calcium, even limestone can be used, or simple lime. Egg shells for soluble calcium. Animal bones for soluble phos.

2. Pan fry the eggshells or bones. Fry until some are brown/black, some white. The burnt shells are your Calcium source while the white are the Phosphorus source.

3.After roasting the eggshells, grind them up. You can do it manually, with a mortar and pestle, throw them in a blender or electric coffee grinder, etc.

4. Add them to a jar and add 5 parts vinegar by volume. For example, if you have 1 cup ground shells, add 5 cups vinegar.

The acid in the vinegar helps digest them. You will notice bubbling as this process converts the ingredients to liquid calcium phosphate.

5. Wait until tiny bubbles disappear

6. Seal the jar and ferment for 20 days.

7. Filter into another jar

8. Now you’ve made your own Calcium Phosphate

NOW :How to Use

Mix 1 tbsp per gallon

Plants

Spray on leaves during transition phase to flower, and when fruits are large and mature

Transition Phase: Induces flowering, eases nutrient demands of transition phase, strengthens flowers

Mature Fruit: Strengthens plant stems, leaves, fruits, helps fruit mature properly for optimum sweet flavor.

You can also skip the vinegar and compost the cal-phos and feed them to worms. Then you will have compost with phos solublizing enzymes and high phos compost.
How often do you feed your worms egg shells? Is it one and done or...? I’m curious because I gave mine egg shells maybe a month ago, I was considering giving them crab shell meal. Would that be too much?
 

Miyagismokes

Well-Known Member
CAL-PHOS

1.Collect a bunch of eggshells and wash to remove inside filaments. Remember, you can also use bones and other good sources of calcium like seashells, clams and oysters, etc. Likewise, if you only want calcium, even limestone can be used, or simple lime. Egg shells for soluble calcium. Animal bones for soluble phos.

2. Pan fry the eggshells or bones. Fry until some are brown/black, some white. The burnt shells are your Calcium source while the white are the Phosphorus source.

3.After roasting the eggshells, grind them up. You can do it manually, with a mortar and pestle, throw them in a blender or electric coffee grinder, etc.

4. Add them to a jar and add 5 parts vinegar by volume. For example, if you have 1 cup ground shells, add 5 cups vinegar.

The acid in the vinegar helps digest them. You will notice bubbling as this process converts the ingredients to liquid calcium phosphate.

5. Wait until tiny bubbles disappear

6. Seal the jar and ferment for 20 days.

7. Filter into another jar

8. Now you’ve made your own Calcium Phosphate

NOW :How to Use

Mix 1 tbsp per gallon

Plants

Spray on leaves during transition phase to flower, and when fruits are large and mature

Transition Phase: Induces flowering, eases nutrient demands of transition phase, strengthens flowers

Mature Fruit: Strengthens plant stems, leaves, fruits, helps fruit mature properly for optimum sweet flavor.

You can also skip the vinegar and compost the cal-phos and feed them to worms. Then you will have compost with phos solublizing enzymes and high phos compost.
I have to try this with my expended soup bones.
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
How often do you feed your worms egg shells? Is it one and done or...? I’m curious because I gave mine egg shells maybe a month ago, I was considering giving them crab shell meal. Would that be too much?

I feed the worms egg shells once every 2 weeks. Make sure to pulverize or puree the shells. I mix the shells with bokashi and top that onto some veggie scraps. Crab shell meal is good too.

Egg shells will keep the bin ph on point. So you never get pot worms.
 

DankTankerous

Well-Known Member
I feed the worms egg shells once every 2 weeks. Make sure to pulverize or puree the shells. I mix the shells with bokashi and top that onto some veggie scraps. Crab shell meal is good too.

Egg shells will keep the bin ph on point. So you never get pot worms.
I’m sorry what are pot worms?
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
I’m sorry what are pot worms?
Little tiny white worms. They're not harmful. They ferd on organic material. At a slower rate than red wigglers. But pot worms thrive in a low ph environment and red wigglers can't survive in the same environment. Pot worms are a sign of low ph in a worm bin or soil.
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Some people mistake them for baby red wigglers. But red wiggers are red from the moment they hatch from a cacoon.
 
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