Advanced Flushing Techniques
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jaggwaa
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Been lookin.... found out i may be wrong about the GREEEEEEENS....Greens is GOOD!
Remember my AK48 that i thought puts out dope leaves, with perfumed smell smooth as fuk, it does it not because of it stayed with the plant till its last breath and been sucked... it turned brown and dried, but there is something else happened. And that something else is fermentation. There is a full story behind my AK48, It was from seed till 20 days veg, then 12/12, After 30 days in 12/12, it has hardly shown any pre flowers and total 3 or 4 nodes. This happened to my all 4 plants but 2, In simple, these 4 were 15 days behind the other 2 that trippled in size. Maybe i should have checked the moon phase
, So after 30 days in flowering, i took these 4 out and that was around 2 months ago. They remain in veg, i took like 40 clones off of em n now they are in mid 5th week of flowering. AK48's fate doesnot just stoped there, i saw this weirdo on youtube with air injection technnique. One more thing, I Transplanted Them in Smaller Pots, from 3 gallon fabric to 4 Litre Buckets. Anyways, I took out AK48 from its bucket, and droped it in a bigger bucket full of water with bubbler. So now my medium is Coco type floating in water aerated by a bubbler, HyAerodroCocoponics maybe. PH is good, plants is starting to strech, this all happened just before coming to 12/12
In 10 days or so All half foot stretch is very bright yellow. Tiny leaves that are missing parts, almost white yellow.
Well i grabed it through the main stem, out of that watery stuff, put it back in 4 litr buckt. It recoverd so quickly that it amazed ma, it was a honor to see GREENS coming back in the whitish yellow leaf. It doubled in side, And its catching vp very fast. This is AK48
And then there is this Critical Kali Mist, that has yet to show me a crown and it around 7 feet tall in a 5 feet space. totally wasnt expecting that.
Now keywords... GOOD GREENS COMING BACK, question is WHERE IT WENT?
Think About it
Remember my AK48 that i thought puts out dope leaves, with perfumed smell smooth as fuk, it does it not because of it stayed with the plant till its last breath and been sucked... it turned brown and dried, but there is something else happened. And that something else is fermentation. There is a full story behind my AK48, It was from seed till 20 days veg, then 12/12, After 30 days in 12/12, it has hardly shown any pre flowers and total 3 or 4 nodes. This happened to my all 4 plants but 2, In simple, these 4 were 15 days behind the other 2 that trippled in size. Maybe i should have checked the moon phase
, So after 30 days in flowering, i took these 4 out and that was around 2 months ago. They remain in veg, i took like 40 clones off of em n now they are in mid 5th week of flowering. AK48's fate doesnot just stoped there, i saw this weirdo on youtube with air injection technnique. One more thing, I Transplanted Them in Smaller Pots, from 3 gallon fabric to 4 Litre Buckets. Anyways, I took out AK48 from its bucket, and droped it in a bigger bucket full of water with bubbler. So now my medium is Coco type floating in water aerated by a bubbler, HyAerodroCocoponics maybe. PH is good, plants is starting to strech, this all happened just before coming to 12/12In 10 days or so All half foot stretch is very bright yellow. Tiny leaves that are missing parts, almost white yellow.
Well i grabed it through the main stem, out of that watery stuff, put it back in 4 litr buckt. It recoverd so quickly that it amazed ma, it was a honor to see GREENS coming back in the whitish yellow leaf. It doubled in side, And its catching vp very fast. This is AK48
And then there is this Critical Kali Mist, that has yet to show me a crown and it around 7 feet tall in a 5 feet space. totally wasnt expecting that.
Now keywords... GOOD GREENS COMING BACK, question is WHERE IT WENT?
Think About it
jaggwaa
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I found out that Nitrogen is essential for Fermentation. And Curing is Fermentation. And that just changes everything about making your plant starve and less nitrogen whole world. This means you can feed it as long as you want till you cut it. When roots are sinked in water, oxygen cuts off and plant goes into preserving itself or something, Fermentation happens. They do it, for last three days whole pot submerged in bigger pot full of water. Now remember my AK48, which i submerged in water..with other stuff, but that bubbler was just not enough to aerate the whole bucket. And this also explains plant extreme yellow, Thats where nitrogen must hve been used for fermentation. And the perfumed leaves are those, because they died soon after that, donating there greens to there family. And dried. This theory if true, can change everything. What if i purposely do this after mini buds form, then when it buds, and then last when in full swell phase. I means if this process can enhance a leaf this much, what will happen to rest of the plant, And the main bud. Currently this AK48 is the fastest in progress. visible progress.
LinguaPeel
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The nitrogen source matters. Bloom nutes are an illusion. People will eventually figure out Cannabis nutes are 100% illusion, literal cosmetic makeup botox garbage. Ornamental only taken to the real xtreme. A cocktail of real life marijuana photoshop. No bacteria? Plastic fertilizers? eh just perfume the nutes! Might fool these gullible kids! Sell em sweeteners in different novelty scents!
These mersh growers with nutes that prevent bacterial processes don't know what they are missing. I say fuck em all. Too many flavors of nutes I've become familiar with to seperate the what from chaff. That shit that makes all your bud smell the same. What's really that hard about using naturally sourced inputs The Cannabis nute users need to get 'organic high' for the first time open their third eye to see past the gimmicks and ascend spiritually beyond giving fucks about anything but good weed.
These mersh growers with nutes that prevent bacterial processes don't know what they are missing. I say fuck em all. Too many flavors of nutes I've become familiar with to seperate the what from chaff. That shit that makes all your bud smell the same. What's really that hard about using naturally sourced inputs The Cannabis nute users need to get 'organic high' for the first time open their third eye to see past the gimmicks and ascend spiritually beyond giving fucks about anything but good weed.
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LinguaPeel
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All these people talking about curing,.how far away can you smell an ounce in a zip lock? 3 yards over? 3 blocks? 5 blocks?
And what naughty smell does it remind you of? Alien urine? Space pussy? Skunks butthole? Gods armpit? Answering these question will show internet growers are not on the same page at all regarding curing, aromas and the nature of Cannabis in general.
And what naughty smell does it remind you of? Alien urine? Space pussy? Skunks butthole? Gods armpit? Answering these question will show internet growers are not on the same page at all regarding curing, aromas and the nature of Cannabis in general.
LinguaPeel
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Faded bud is already curing.. That nitrogen is used how it needs to be when you don't fuck with the plants cycle for an illusion (Cannabis nutes). Thats the point everyone's missing in growing today. Hydro is not the control. Prematurely plucked buds are not the control. Cannabis you do not harvest is the control. And curing has nothing to do with chlorophyll. That should be handled via drying.
Maybe that's why my bud is good tasting when it's fresh and peaks at 4-5 months rather than tasting like ass, as other say their fresh does, and taking 6 months to peak.
jaggwaa
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Dear Linduapeel, Thank you for your input sir, where i live, we have no bottled nutrients, the only thing available is some Chinese salt that states 20.20.20 but we have a compost made of sugarcane waste. Iam planing to test it out in my next run. Any suggestions on sugarcane waste compost, i'll be great full.
You should stop drinking fertilizer it's affecting your ability to string together a rational thought.
Sooo you prefer the flavor of delusion over illusion? Would botox actually add weight ya think or just make the buds tighter?
If good weed is your #1 priority in life it's explains a lot about your hostility towards people. How bout a friend, a goldfish maybe to help when the voices come.
Honest question. If you're the weed growing guru you claim to be, why do you spend so much time and money smokin shitty dispensary weed that tastes like latex and vaseline? Makes no sense.
Lucky Luke
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A few buds left in a brown paper bag in the garage can be smelt 10-20 metres from outside the closed garage at the moment.
Diff strains have a diff aroma, This one has an over ripe/off blackberry with a oily greasy diesel smell.
You have stated in other threads your fresh bud tastes green and unpleasant and harsh, in another you questioned what harsh meant.
You have also stated that your bud all smells the same "sugary hash" from memory was the term you used.
Yes and mines good after aging to. Cause its been cured properly..
Chunky Stool
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No plunger?
MichiganMedGrower
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No plunger?
Wait what? When are we supposed to plunge the plants? I assume after the flush.
Chunky Stool
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Yep.Wait what? When are we supposed to plunge the plants? I assume after the flush.
Plunging pushes resin to the buds.
It's an ancient Chinese secret...
JayBio420
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I’ve had a really interesting morning reading this thread. I’ve learned what a point of contention flushing is. I’ve also learned that people on here have acted immature, inconsiderate, ignorant and several lack the basic spelling and grammar skills of an elementary school student!
I like to look at things from multiple angles, and instead of refusing to open my mind, I read. I read lots and lots. Sure, I read RIU and other forum posts, but I also open my grow bibles, my biology textbooks from college, my horticulture books and I hit up google like it owes me money.
My current standpoint, based on what i have seen, is that it’s important to continue maintaining a healthy plant, so that it can produce its cannibinoids, terpenes, flavonoids and other hormones that help complete the ripening process.
In addition to this, I believe overfeeding to be a cause of the flushing trend. This makes sense to me, and in my current grow I will be doing a gentle taper of nutrients in my last three weeks: 80%>60%>20% regular flowering nutes.
I’m planning on continuing research on this topic, focusing on tobacco curing, tea drying and curing and other commercial crops requiring this process, including hops in my brewing career, which are a sister plant to Cannabis.
There is most definately scientific, empirically based studies on this that lack the ever abundant anecdotal opinions.
Instead of arguments, I’m going to start by taking a middle road on this flushing thing, as I find in arguments the real truth lies somewhere in between.
I will report any studies I find that are relevant in furthering data and knowledge on this topic. In the meantime, can people learn to disagree nicely? Someone being wrong/confused/unsure about a topic doesn’t make them a bad person.
-Jay
I like to look at things from multiple angles, and instead of refusing to open my mind, I read. I read lots and lots. Sure, I read RIU and other forum posts, but I also open my grow bibles, my biology textbooks from college, my horticulture books and I hit up google like it owes me money.
My current standpoint, based on what i have seen, is that it’s important to continue maintaining a healthy plant, so that it can produce its cannibinoids, terpenes, flavonoids and other hormones that help complete the ripening process.
In addition to this, I believe overfeeding to be a cause of the flushing trend. This makes sense to me, and in my current grow I will be doing a gentle taper of nutrients in my last three weeks: 80%>60%>20% regular flowering nutes.
I’m planning on continuing research on this topic, focusing on tobacco curing, tea drying and curing and other commercial crops requiring this process, including hops in my brewing career, which are a sister plant to Cannabis.
There is most definately scientific, empirically based studies on this that lack the ever abundant anecdotal opinions.
Instead of arguments, I’m going to start by taking a middle road on this flushing thing, as I find in arguments the real truth lies somewhere in between.
I will report any studies I find that are relevant in furthering data and knowledge on this topic. In the meantime, can people learn to disagree nicely? Someone being wrong/confused/unsure about a topic doesn’t make them a bad person.
-Jay
DirtyEyeball696
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MichiganMedGrower
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Good post!
I would like to add that end of cycle flushing is merely excessive leaching of the pots.
Which is necessary to clear out excess nutrients and waste sometimes.
I use well water. It requires good runoff and periodic light leaching to keep away mineral buildup likely from excessive calcium and iron.
I did a lot of testing in my garden. I have found tapering down feed but still giving what they need to the end gives best results in yield and potency.
And flavor if not overfed.
Chunky Stool
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Totally agree -- especially on the flavor.
Some growers say they can make their buds swell 2X by giving them high P nutes a couple of weeks before the chop.
But I bet it takes months of curing to get rid of the harsh chemical taste.
My bud tastes better after curing, but samples that I quick-dry aren't harsh at all.
MichiganMedGrower
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My flowers are the same way. No one cares if I cure them. Or really realizes.
And my experiments with pk led me to use only a grow ratio all the way through. I did not get more yield or quality.
What I may need is a humic product to help with my buildup around week 5.
Chunky Stool
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Some people say the expensive humic/fulvic acids are worth the money but I do fine with powder.
1 cup/gallon makes a concentrate similar to a product called 'fossil fuel'.
https://www.amazon.com/TeraVita-SP-90-Humic-Soluble-Powder/dp/B00912FRO2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1537034232&sr=8-3&keywords=humic+acid+powder
