Assange the rapist headed to face the music

Justin-case

Justin-case

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ttystikk said:
Have you?

The problem is that you and your lil echo chamber crew here have long since substituted groupthink for critical thinking.

I realize that it doesn't take as much effort, maybe that's the attraction.

Julian Assange is guilty of nothing more than publishing evidence exposing the massive level of US Federal government war crimes, human rights violations and assorted and habitual malfeasance without accountability.

And it seems to be working out soooooo well, too!
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Don't forget pizza gate and Seth riech, really some of his most creative works.

People that have the truth on their side don't have to hide from justice
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Olive Drab Green said:
This is fair. Just saying. That said, Trump is guilty as fuck, as is his Russia-Genovese posse.
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I think Mueller is waiting to see what happens in November, if the House goes blue (most likely will), Senate probably won't, depending on what happens until then, but it'll likely be a very close majority for Republicans. So the House will probably levy the impeachment charges but it'll be a partisan trial when it comes to conviction in the Senate across party lines, and Trump will become a feckless president the rest of his term and the next viable Democratic candidate will win in 2020. That would be my prediction at this point.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Terrible analogy. Not surprised considering the source.
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Assange is a whistle blower. I understand you disagree with what his organization leaked because you believe it helped Trump get elected, but regardless of his motives, the American people should have been exposed to it, because it subverts our democracy. What is being suggested in this thread is that Assange face prosecution for leaking information because it potentially damaged the chances of Hillary Clinton being elected. That being primarily all the DNC/Clinton camp correspondence during the Democratic primary.

So this is where I would argue Assange is not the one who did the damage by leaking the information, the DNC and the Clinton camp are the ones who did the damage, Assange is the one who exposed it. Same as the collateral murder clip Chelsea Manning leaked; she's not the one that did the damage, the pilots in the clip are, Manning simply exposed it. If we become a nation that essentially erases the most important amendment in our Constitution because we disagree with the outcome of the consequences, we open up a whole host of unprecedented problems for enemies of democracy to exploit. Prosecuting whistle blowers distinctivises future whistle blowing and future expositions of government corruption.

So while you can disagree, like I do, with Assange's potential motives, you can't disagree with his actions without opposing the 1st amendment
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Assange is a whistle blower. I understand you disagree with what his organization leaked because you believe it helped Trump get elected, but regardless of his motives, the American people should have been exposed to it, because it subverts our democracy. What is being suggested in this thread is that Assange face prosecution for leaking information because it potentially damaged the chances of Hillary Clinton being elected. That being primarily all the DNC/Clinton camp correspondence during the Democratic primary.

So this is where I would argue Assange is not the one who did the damage by leaking the information, the DNC and the Clinton camp are the ones who did the damage, Assange is the one who exposed it. Same as the collateral murder clip Chelsea Manning leaked; she's not the one that did the damage, the pilots in the clip are, Manning simply exposed it. If we become a nation that essentially erases the most important amendment in our Constitution because we disagree with the outcome of the consequences, we open up a whole host of unprecedented problems for enemies of democracy to exploit. Prosecuting whistle blowers distinctivises future whistle blowing and future expositions of government corruption.

So while you can disagree, like I do, with Assange's potential motives, you can't disagree with his actions without opposing the 1st amendment
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Dude,

Daniel Ellsberg had intimate knowledge of what was going on and he gathered iron clad evidence. There was nothing that was verfiable in Assange's release of information and he had no knowledge of what was in that data dump that was handed to him. All he was, was a conduit and it's looking more and more clear that he is a Russian tool.

Aside from that, Assange was charged with rape of women close to him in his organization. Read what they said. Very convincing.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Justin-case said:
And he'll get it. What was your point again?
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Padawanbater2 said:
They're upset Assange exposed US government corruption because the corruption was being committed by the Democratic party, even though they claim no government corruption was committed..
So was government corruption committed that helped Trump defeat Clinton in the general election, or did Assange and Wikileaks simply fabricate the evidence that helped Trump defeat Clinton?
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captainmorgan said:
Another one of Putin's bitches,fuck him.
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Yet some people are already to convict absent due process

The idea is that Trump is doing Putin's bidding, right? What of Trump doing the bidding of Israel or Saudi Arabia because they bribe him? Why no threads about that? Trump opened up 8 different businesses in Saudi Arabia during the campaign trail, then gave them a $100 billion defense package while the Saudi elite spent $300K in Trump's resorts. Netanyahu publicly admitted he told Trump to scrap the Iran deal and Trump did. If Putin is controlling our government via Trump, and that's a problem, why isn't it a problem when the Saudi regime or Netenyahu are controlling our government via Trump?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Dude,

Daniel Ellsberg had intimate knowledge of what was going on and he gathered iron clad evidence. There was nothing that was verfiable in Assange's release of information and he had no knowledge of what was in that data dump that was handed to him. All he was, was a conduit and it's looking more and more clear that he is a Russian tool.

Aside from that, Assange was charged with rape of women close to him in his organization. Read what they said. Very convincing.
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Exposed parties verified the content of the leaks by pressing charges. The claim being what was leaked was top secret, or protected. None of them denied the contents of the leaks. The content of the leaks are not subject to debate, the legality of leaking the content is the issue.

So you're either in one of two camps on this one; either you agree that regardless of the content, leaking top secret information is illegal. Or, depending upon the content, leaking top secret information is essential.

I'm in the essential camp. I don't care who leaks what for what reason if the American people should see it. I don't care if it harms the party I support, if the party I support is committing illegal activities, I want to know and I want it to be exposed so other people know, even though it may lead to an outcome I oppose because I don't want those I support to act in shady and/or illegal ways just to gain power, because I believe that's ultimately wrong. Some people think you need to cheat to win and that's OK if your opponent breaks the rules, too. I don't believe that. I believe we can win on the issues without having to cheat and lie to people.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Exposed parties verified the content of the leaks by pressing charges. The claim being what was leaked was top secret, or protected. None of them denied the contents of the leaks. The content of the leaks are not subject to debate, the legality of leaking the content is the issue.

So you're either in one of two camps on this one; either you agree that regardless of the content, leaking top secret information is illegal. Or, depending upon the content, leaking top secret information is essential.

I'm in the essential camp. I don't care who leaks what for what reason if the American people should see it. I don't care if it harms the party I support, if the party I support is committing illegal activities, I want to know and I want it to be exposed so other people know, even though it may lead to an outcome I oppose because I don't want those I support to act in shady and/or illegal ways just to gain power, because I believe that's ultimately wrong. Some people think you need to cheat to win and that's OK if your opponent breaks the rules, too. I don't believe that. I believe we can win on the issues without having to cheat and lie to people.
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The reports that Assange leaked came from Russian intelligence agents. There is no way to verify that information wasn't doctored.

I'm in the verifiable facts camp. Speaking of which, two women accused Assange of rape. THAT is what he was charged with. That's what I'm talking about.

The leaks are irresponsible. But Russia was going to release those hacked files with or without Assange. He's just the messenger, not a heel and not a hero. Raping women is what causes me to hold him with low esteem.
 
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