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[NoWaistedSpace]

I've read that some males can be genetically predisposed to produce females or vice versa. Same thing with animals and humans. I'd hold on to that Male if I were you

But what happens to the offspring 2 or 3 gens down? Personally, I don't want femanise seeds. Only if I were using them for commercial production. Other than that, I want to see variety in the seeds. It would really suck to only have one type of trait in a strain. That's boring. lol

 

[whytewidow]

If you take plant A that is female that say has hermi traits. Butonly is expressed on the seed plant. Bc sometime a seed plant herms and the clone doesn't. I have a cookies strain that does that. Every bean I've popped hermies in flower. But if you take a clone from the seeded mom plant and flower it. It will flower and finish without a hermie. It's weird. But it still carries that trait. Now if you take c.s. and spray it. Reverse it to male. Use that feminized pollen. On another plant. Say plant B. Another female. Make fem seeds. Those fem seed offspring will produce male plants. I've done it. Not on purpose. But I made a cross. Of fem seeds. Popped 10 beans. Got two males and 8 females.

 

[Lurpin]

But what happens to the offspring 2 or 3 gens down? Personally, I don't want femanise seeds. Only if I were using them for commercial production. Other than that, I want to see variety in the seeds. It would really suck to only have one type of trait in a strain. That's boring. lol

I totally agree, I was just talking about as far as someone who wants to just flower plants out for product over and over. This kind of Male may be useful for producing seeds for that. On the other hand I think jayblaze is correct too. If 2easy grows 100 seeds from the same female and this Male and gets no Male offspring at all then he might be a he/she

 

[Bodyne]

But what happens to the offspring 2 or 3 gens down? Personally, I don't want femanise seeds. Only if I were using them for commercial production. Other than that, I want to see variety in the seeds. It would really suck to only have one type of trait in a strain. That's boring. lol

not if you have limited resources, as in space, lighting, etc. If I could grow what was called Chem D cut, not sure now if its a diff name, I'd grow it every day all day. A person can maximize your time especially knowing a gal is coming instead of wasting dirt and juice feeding males. Not to say breeding the ole fashioned way is wrong, I still buy beans, lol. But as a med user, Id as soon pop and grow fems. Having said that, they used to claim once you had that offspring, that hermie trait would be brought out closer than it was, but I read thru here and it claims no harm to the plant nor does it do that to do the fem trick? Smoke only? Breeding? They are taking autos into f4 and f5 I read anyhow, and gettin it better? Just curious, sorry if stupid questions

 

[ruby fruit]

This is what i use. I dilute it down. To 10ml to 4 cups of water. I've used 20 times. It has reversed every time. For both bottles I paid 9 bucks shipped to my door from Amazon. Your solution needs to be atleast 50ppm that you spray on the plant. For it to work. I believe its 50. Dont quote that 100% after I make my mixture it measures at 160ppm

I like to think it works 60% of the time all the time. Lmfao.

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I know a dude who makes beans this way and he doesn't use 50ppm I'm sure it's more like 30ppm but I'll ask him and reply to this

 

[Hotwired]

It would really suck to only have one type of trait in a strain. That's boring. lol

Having one "type" is not true. I've been using fem seeds forever and I never grow just 1 or 2. I grow a whole lot at once. Minimum 10 but most of the time over 20. I am about to take clones from 20 LVTK. So far they show 3 specific types during veg. In 2 weeks I will put them in flower and I should see at least 3 to 5 specific "types" of flower by the time they are done. I will then keep the best ones and grow out the rest.

 

[ruby fruit]

i think your all over reacting a bit. @Gu~ simply said he was getting some advice from riot on making stable fems. he didnt say riot was making them or he was partnering with riot. its not going to change the way Gu operates hes just talking to the guy.

personally though i wont buy fems, always grown regs and i like them. hope doing fems doesnt take time and space away from the regs. i hope Gu hasnt given up on finding some new males and making some different reg crosses

There's a market for ppl who want fems simple as that just like there's a market for regs
Ppl who don't keep up with current market variations sometimes get left behind.
I'm sure Gu will be fine wether he expands into fems or not

 

[HydroRed]

I do know that no fem breeder, that's respected anyways, will claim 100% female offspring. Usually they claim 99 or 99.9%.

This understanding was what prompted my Lysol comment.
Nobody respectable can guarantee 100% anything. I back this statement up with a 99.999% guarantee.
I hope you didnt think I was blasting ya my friend.

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

I totally agree, I was just talking about as far as someone who wants to just flower plants out for product over and over. This kind of Male may be useful for producing seeds for that. On the other hand I think jayblaze is correct too. If 2easy grows 100 seeds from the same female and this Male and gets no Male offspring at all then he might be a he/she

The owner of this plant could charge top dollar for "stud fees". lol

 

[slow drawl]

Kinda figured I was done with seeds for a bit...then along came DreamCatcher.
$28 and some change to my door, how could I pass that up.

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

Having one "type" is not true. I've been using fem seeds forever and I never grow just 1 or 2. I grow a whole lot at once. Minimum 10 but most of the time over 20. I am about to take clones from 20 LVTK. So far they have show 3 specific types during veg. In 2 weeks I will put them in flower and I should see at least 3 to 5 specific "types" of flower by the time they are done. I will then keep the best ones and grow out the rest.

We have 2 different styles of growing.
I am after variety by ancestral "diversity" in strains from both parents.

 

[whytewidow]

I know a dude who makes beans this way and he doesn't use 50ppm I'm sure it's more like 30ppm but I'll ask him and reply to this

I know a dude who makes beans this way and he doesn't use 50ppm I'm sure it's more like 30ppm but I'll ask him and reply to this

It doesnt matter if its 30 or 50 no one is gonna buy a meter to check the c.s. ppm. A regular ppm meter doesnt read silver particles. I'm not gonna change how I make it. It works. Dont try n fix stuff that isnt broken lol. Google search shows you want atleast 40ppm in your mix. And you can also use GA3 which is what I believe is in riots spray.

 

[Cptn]

Truth, lol. One of the easiest ways to breed period and it has been around forever in agriculture. So fuckin easy compared to normal breeding and have no idea the reasoning for comments made before about it being the "hardest" and taking the "most skill". If mixing a 2 part solution or just buying a premixed and spraying the donor plant is hard someone is in the wrong business. Testing progeny and stabilizing if needed is the hardest thing and what line of breeding do/should you not have to do that in anyways?

Working with someone = being nice or doing a favor. 0 point in working for anyone on anything and certainly not at all in ones own financial favor. Nothing in this business you can't do all your self. Other people are generally either a liability, waste of time, or both.



And I already provided the science for it in this thread quite a few pages back. it is fact it does happen and has been documented by most everyone in the industry running real numbers. Very odd CSI has not found this nor not know the real science to it.

Intelligent, thoughtful response 40. Thanks.
I felt the same way about Nspecta's experience. Very different from most in the biz who commonly report having seen males occur in their reversed seeds.
The fact that he is known for running large numbers of these seeds for selection compared to most makes it even more relevant.

Amazing how people take @Gu~ 's statement that Riot is teaching him how to do something and leap to assumptions that they are "working together" even though the same people often say making fem seeds is dead easy. I've never done it myself, but from all reports, it's not something a smart person needs a "partner" to pull off.

Welcome to the minefield of personality @Gu~

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

It doesnt matter if its 30 or 50 no one is gonna buy a meter to check the c.s. ppm. A regular ppm meter doesnt read silver particles. I'm not gonna change how I make it. It works. Dont try n fix stuff that isnt broken lol. Google search shows you want atleast 40ppm in your mix. And you can also use GA3 which is what I believe is in riots spray.

not if you have limited resources, as in space, lighting, etc. If I could grow what was called Chem D cut, not sure now if its a diff name, I'd grow it every day all day. A person can maximize your time especially knowing a gal is coming instead of wasting dirt and juice feeding males. Not to say breeding the ole fashioned way is wrong, I still buy beans, lol. But as a med user, Id as soon pop and grow fems. Having said that, they used to claim once you had that offspring, that hermie trait would be brought out closer than it was, but I read thru here and it claims no harm to the plant nor does it do that to do the fem trick? Smoke only? Breeding? They are taking autos into f4 and f5 I read anyhow, and gettin it better? Just curious, sorry if stupid questions

There might be some truth to the "Hermi" trait not getting any worse, but you sure can't breed it out. Add a little too much stress and the "hermi gene" plant will throw a lot more than normal and the trait will be carried on to it's offspring. So you breed a hermi plant and hose seeds get bred and the trait moves on to another grower and another.Before long, everyone has hermi's in their weed. Just my opinion from my own experience with Herms.

 

[Hotwired]

There might be some truth to the "Hermi" trait not getting any worse, but you sure can't breed it out. Add a little too much stress and the "hermi gene" plant will throw a lot more than normal and the trait will be carried on to it's offspring. So you breed a hermi plant and hose seeds get bred and the trait moves on to another grower and another.Before long, everyone has hermi's in their weed. Just my opinion from my own experience with Herms.

I find that to be very true. Especially with breeders like Reserva Privada and their sister company DNA. They always try to get the best clones and wind up breeding the herm trait into everything. I haven't bought their gear in years because of it.

 

[Bodyne]

yea, Im no breeder, lol. be for my consumption only, trying to save a buck and preserve some good medicine

 

[Amos Otis]

All I know is that I painstakingly followed procedures using 1st GB3, then colloidal silver two summers in a row. Both failed. But looks like I've got the regs down pat.

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All the rumors you have not heard about these being available as freebies in a future @greenpointseeds promotion are still being fabricated.

 

[Lurpin]

There might be some truth to the "Hermi" trait not getting any worse, but you sure can't breed it out. Add a little too much stress and the "hermi gene" plant will throw a lot more than normal and the trait will be carried on to it's offspring. So you breed a hermi plant and hose seeds get bred and the trait moves on to another grower and another.Before long, everyone has hermi's in their weed. Just my opinion from my own experience with Herms.

I grew purple elephant kush or something like that from blimburn. It was fem and it hermied like a plague. I cloned it twice and the hermie got worse so I tossed it. My dad got a hold of some seeds of this crap plant somehow from my brother and his hermied too so the gene never went away no matter what we did.

 

[whitebb2727]

i think your all over reacting a bit. @Gu~ simply said he was getting some advice from riot on making stable fems. he didnt say riot was making them or he was partnering with riot. its not going to change the way Gu operates hes just talking to the guy.

personally though i wont buy fems, always grown regs and i like them. hope doing fems doesnt take time and space away from the regs. i hope Gu hasnt given up on finding some new males and making some different reg crosses

I run everything. Regs, fems, and even autos.

I want to clarify in the fem thing. I run them. I also make them. I don't further the line by making fems.

F1 hybrids perform well. Fairly uniform as well. It's common in corn and such to sell hybrid f1. One if the main reasons is to keep people coming back to buy more. It would take many generations to work that line and farmers just buy more each year.

I grow and store a lot of heirloom seeds of All kinds. Cannabis, flowers and vegetables. At the same time I will run store bought hybrids.

It's the same with cannabis. For production F1 is ok.

I can't run large numbers. I keep the number down. I have a few that I like to run but I buy new strains all the time. I usually make a fem cross of all new stuff I get. If they are regs I labem them so and keep so I have males if I want. I also freeze large btaches of pollen from a good stud if I like it.

I also have strains I worked for years when I grew outdoors.

I like a good mix. Main reason I like autos are for medicinal reasons. My wife's autoimmune disease responds better to autoflower. I suspect it's the CBD and other cannabinoids specific to rderalis. The go isn't always to get high.

I digress. Yes. It would take aot of extra work and help to grow fem seeds. It's simple in concept but harder to carry out.

If it were me and wanted to make sure I didn't mess up I would make fem seeds in a different location than reg seeds. I would run different workers. They work thier side to keep the chance of accidental pollination down.

If that wasn't possible I would run them where you had the inner area where the grow is with pollen filters and the outside area where you enter with another set of filters. Shower and clean clothes or uniform required.

That's the only way you could garuntee not to cross pollinate.

When I pollinate it's a small area to clean. Hepa and pollen filter on the air handler and another set on the grow area. After I chop I clean and then grow another round pollen free to make sure no residual pollen is left.

When I clean it I break everything down and wash it then dry. Mop and clean everything. Put it all back up and spray with bleach water one more time then let it dry.

Kind of long just decided to clarify.

 

[whitebb2727]

Isn't it because the "hermi" trait is in the DNA of the parents? That is why I was explaining about using "older" less worked strains that aren't carrying those traits. Years ago, plants hermed because of stress, but now that the "Fem" craze has hit. People are chemically inducing the herm, in turn could poison the DNA chain and create deformed offspring 2 or 3 gens down the line. People being unaware are just spreading the traits.

Actually I read something about it being an enzyme that cause them to herm. Kind of interesting but I lost it.

Some are absolutely interex and will show both sexes from the start.

Pretty much all cannabis is able to throw nanners to save itself.

Soma uses the rodelazation method to make seeds. Not sure on the spelling. If you leave some lowers buds past ripe a lot of strains will throw nanners. I've done it a few time myself.

You don't chemically induce pollen. You block ethylene production that's responsible for flowering. That cuases male expression.

I wouldn't continue the line female on female. Anything heirloom I have is regs. I just make fems for production or growing.

That's why I clarified.