62 year old man needs help

GauleyG

GauleyG

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a mongo frog said:
Almost looks like thrip drag marks. Any signs of bugs running around? Are you inside or out?
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I’m outside and my plants are in a hoop house. I do see bugs on the ground but no eggs or bumps on the leaves or under the leaves. The temps are high but harvested a plant just last week and it started the same white blemishes. Never had thirps before, just mites.
 
GauleyG

GauleyG

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GauleyG said:
I’m outside and my plants are in a hoop house. I do see bugs on the ground but no eggs or bumps on the leaves or under the leaves. The temps are high but harvested a plant just last week and it started the same white blemishes. Never had thirps before, just mites.
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Oh. I also have seen bugs running around on the ground. Little ones and ants as well but nothing on the plant it self
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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GauleyG said:
Also, would nuke em work as well?
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There are lots of things you can try. I've personally had good results from Captain Jacks, Azamax and neem oil. Both Captain Jacks and Azamax say they are safe to spray up to harvest. Azamax is basically a super concentrated form of neem. I like to mix a bit of cold pressed neem oil ((very little))with Azamax because the actual oil seems to help it stick a bit better. However, if you're in full flower I'd just get the Captain Jacks and run it at 4tbls per gallon. Be sure to spray at sunset and apply it once every 7 days the first few times then you can space it out to every 10 days. I have heard of people using Nuke Em but I can't speak on it personally. I know rotating between Azamax and Captain Jacks has done great for me. The Captain Jacks dead Bug should do just fine to put a stop to your problem alone though. Next time do some prevention spraying during veg to keep things under control. I'm in sealed Green houses and I've got a few full outdoor plants. I use to use it on my normal open ended hoop houses and it did great as well.I use the above stuff and I've had awesome results. It's what I use indoor as well. Just be sure to mist the plants thoroughly. I like to work from the bottom of the plant up with a hand mister being sure to get the undersides of the leaves as well as the tops.

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GauleyG

GauleyG

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hotrodharley said:
Leaf miners leave a path easy to see
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I don’t think it’s leaf miners. I don’t have those kind of drag marks. I’ve been using nuke em for 2 applications and it has seemed to slow down the munch marks. The plant is still growing fine. Gonna try captain jacks on pay day to see if I can get it totally stopped. I harvested a plant last Sunday and it had no problems at all. Weird how it all works out. I appreciate everybody’s questions and advice.
 
puck1969

puck1969

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My 2 cents, looks like lacewing. They sit on the underside of the leaves and
suck the juice out of the leaf. They hit andromeda hard and other landscape
plants. May see some if you flip the leaves over.
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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GauleyG said:
I don’t think it’s leaf miners. I don’t have those kind of drag marks. I’ve been using nuke em for 2 applications and it has seemed to slow down the munch marks. The plant is still growing fine. Gonna try captain jacks on pay day to see if I can get it totally stopped. I harvested a plant last Sunday and it had no problems at all. Weird how it all works out. I appreciate everybody’s questions and advice.
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If you mist them good at sundown it should slow things down big time. I have since sealed my green houses on concrete slabs double entries and added super fine layered screen windows that I dip in Bug repellant as well as put the sticky stuff on incase any visitors wanna try to come in. Costs me a little bit of money to keep it cool on the super scorching days, but well worth it to me. When I was using open ended hoop houses I was always in a battle with pests. We can never rid our gardens with them open to nature like that, but we can strongly detour pests from wanting to set up shop. If you plan on continuing to grow outside in the open I'll share my technique below incase you wanna try it for prevention next year.

Good luck and a Captain Jacks dead bug is great stuff.



My prevention regimen.

Products- CaptainJacks,Azamax,and Cold pressed Neem Oil.

So basically Azamax is a super concentrated form of Neem Oil. People may wonder why I'd use both. Well the reason is the Azamax imo doesn't stick or stay nearly as good as the neem oil. So I basically add very little cold pressed neem to my Azamax because it seems like it makes it stick much much better and last longer on the leaves than Azamax alone. So basically I'll spray twice a month in veg as prevention. I'll do 2 applications of the aza/neem mix and then the next two I'll use Captain Jacks. I like to rotate between products because I've read that some pests can become immune if the same product is used the whole time. I'll continue this until preflower has started and then I stop all use of the cold pressed neem. In my experience lots of pests like to hang out in the lower third of the plants where it's darkest with lots of cover during the day. So when flowering is under way I will go in with just Azamax or Captain Jacks and use a hand spray bottle to carefully mist those areas real good. I do not spray my flowering sites at all once in flower. Captain Jacks and Azamax both say safe to spray up to day of harvest. I wouldn't if I were you. So if you're in flower and patient about what you're doing. It's not hard to take s spray bottle and hit those key points on the plants without drenching buds. The bottom of the leaves and those dark lower areas where I mentioned above. I see lots of people just mist their plants without actually touching them. That's slightly better than nothing, but the pests aren't dumb and they hide and lay eggs in the places that are hardest for us to spray. My brother in law had sprayed Captain Jacks directly onto his big buds late in flower with no issues at all. He had bud worms so decided to try soaking his buds completely. He found lathargic budworms on the ground after doing that. He also ate a live lizard for a hundred bucks....so there's that.

Just remember prevention during veg and rotating products is worth the effort. Last but not least if you use cold pressed Neem or Azamax, add a few drops of dawn dish soap to it as a wetting agent. Just be sure it's not anti bacterial Dawn if you do.

Again Good Luck
 
GauleyG

GauleyG

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Indacouch said:
If you mist them good at sundown it should slow things down big time. I have since sealed my green houses on concrete slabs double entries and added super fine layered screen windows that I dip in Bug repellant as well as put the sticky stuff on incase any visitors wanna try to come in. Costs me a little bit of money to keep it cool on the super scorching days, but well worth it to me. When I was using open ended hoop houses I was always in a battle with pests. We can never rid our gardens with them open to nature like that, but we can strongly detour pests from wanting to set up shop. If you plan on continuing to grow outside in the open I'll share my technique below incase you wanna try it for prevention next year.

Good luck and a Captain Jacks dead bug is great stuff.



My prevention regimen.

Products- CaptainJacks,Azamax,and Cold pressed Neem Oil.

So basically Azamax is a super concentrated form of Neem Oil. People may wonder why I'd use both. Well the reason is the Azamax imo doesn't stick or stay nearly as good as the neem oil. So I basically add very little cold pressed neem to my Azamax because it seems like it makes it stick much much better and last longer on the leaves than Azamax alone. So basically I'll spray twice a month in veg as prevention. I'll do 2 applications of the aza/neem mix and then the next two I'll use Captain Jacks. I like to rotate between products because I've read that some pests can become immune if the same product is used the whole time. I'll continue this until preflower has started and then I stop all use of the cold pressed neem. In my experience lots of pests like to hang out in the lower third of the plants where it's darkest with lots of cover during the day. So when flowering is under way I will go in with just Azamax or Captain Jacks and use a hand spray bottle to carefully mist those areas real good. I do not spray my flowering sites at all once in flower. Captain Jacks and Azamax both say safe to spray up to day of harvest. I wouldn't if I were you. So if you're in flower and patient about what you're doing. It's not hard to take s spray bottle and hit those key points on the plants without drenching buds. The bottom of the leaves and those dark lower areas where I mentioned above. I see lots of people just mist their plants without actually touching them. That's slightly better than nothing, but the pests aren't dumb and they hide and lay eggs in the places that are hardest for us to spray. My brother in law had sprayed Captain Jacks directly onto his big buds late in flower with no issues at all. He had bud worms so decided to try soaking his buds completely. He found lathargic budworms on the ground after doing that. He also ate a live lizard for a hundred bucks....so there's that.

Just remember prevention during veg and rotating products is worth the effort. Last but not least if you use cold pressed Neem or Azamax, add a few drops of dawn dish soap to it as a wetting agent. Just be sure it's not anti bacterial Dawn if you do.

Again Good Luck
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Well my friends, the nuke em works adequately as I’m getting less Munch marks but still getting them. My son bought me the spinosad and captain jacks. I’m excited to see if I can completely take care of the issue or at least halt it more slowly. There are a lot of grow shops so the cost was surprisingly low.
I really thought the heat of over 100 degrees daily outdoors would have my plants in bad shape. It seems the bugs are only on the ones inside my hoophouse and not the outdoors with no protection. Could humidity of even 25-30 percent be a reason why some insects are more of a hassle instead of the 10 percent outside?
 
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