The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

DIY-HP-LED

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there absolutely will be BLOOD in the STREETS if cheeto jesus tries to pardon himself.

like i've said in the recent past, America is GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH, its' starting to stink in here...
Make sure ya get a video taped explanation before ya chop the head off yer GOP congressman or senator, they don't answer many questions with their head on a pike!

Donald's water is getting heavier by the day and he's just getting started, it's enough to drown an elephant!
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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trump is already planning his deep state conspiracy theories regarding the midterms. retards across america are soaking it up...
I agree, what Trump is up to is obvious, but I don't think it's gonna work. He will force the issue as Mueller closes in, his statements (through Rudy) that he is above the law say as much. More heat is required and Trump will soon have it as soon as he hears Cohen is talking or some other trigger. The fact that no family members have been indicted means they can still be charged by NY state and a federal pardon won't help them. I'm pretty sure something will come up soon that will force the issue to a head.

Once Trump is out of office he's fucked bigly and knows it and he will be out of office one day, or Obama will be the last president of the republic, Trump wouldn't really count as one. Then again the Romans counted Nero as an emperor, even if he helped bring down the empire and burn Rome...

Do you think Donald will leave the White House a free man or in cuffs? I'm betting on a perp walk before the midterms. Pence's hand will still be on the bible when the cuffs click on Donald's tiny wrists.
 

greg nr

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maybe Mueller is waiting to charge him till he's out of office and can't pardon himself?
There is a lot of speculation there are sealed indictments waiting for him to leave office. They get around statute of limitation issues as well as prosecuting a sitting potus.

But he could still pardon himself before he leaves. It can be a blanket pardon for any and all crimes he may have committed. We wouldn't even know about it until he disclosed it after he left office. Then the courts would be busy for a while, and he would be free.

It's generally assumed it wouldn't stand lower court challenges, but it has never been tested. Likewise, it's untested whether you can pardon a co-conspirator. That would arguably be a crime in itself (obstruction) that a court may not want to allow. They generally frown on using the law to break the law.

With a radical right majority on the SCOTUS though, all bets are off when it comes to predicting an outcome based on logic and law. There are a lot of originalists who bristle when anyone tries to interpret a very clearly stated constitutional power. You can already hear them making these arguments. It's all very muddy.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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But he could still pardon himself before he leaves. It can be a blanket pardon for any and all crimes he may have committed. We wouldn't even know about it until he disclosed it after he left office. Then the courts would be busy for a while, and he would be free.
Says who? He could be arrested and held without bail (happens with espionage cases all the time) until the SCOTUS makes a determination, let him sue, good luck with that.
 

Sour Wreck

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I agree, what Trump is up to is obvious, but I don't think it's gonna work. He will force the issue as Mueller closes in, his statements (through Rudy) that he is above the law say as much. More heat is required and Trump will soon have it as soon as he hears Cohen is talking or some other trigger. The fact that no family members have been indicted means they can still be charged by NY state and a federal pardon won't help them. I'm pretty sure something will come up soon that will force the issue to a head.

Once Trump is out of office he's fucked bigly and knows it and he will be out of office one day, or Obama will be the last president of the republic, Trump wouldn't really count as one. Then again the Romans counted Nero as an emperor, even if he helped bring down the empire and burn Rome...

Do you think Donald will leave the White House a free man or in cuffs? I'm betting on a perp walk before the midterms. Pence's hand will still be on the bible when the cuffs click on Donald's tiny wrists.
i think you are wrong. Donald Trump has become a cult leader and approximately 35% of voters will ALWAYS support him, even if he commits murder.

as you can see, AMERICA is going to have to take out the trash again.

35% of my countrymen are so angry about our country. we should help them... :blsmoke:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i think you are wrong. Donald Trump has become a cult leader and approximately 35% of voters will ALWAYS support him, even if he commits murder.

as you can see, AMERICA is going to have to take out the trash again.

35% of my countrymen are so angry about our country. we should help them... :blsmoke:
After the midterms nobody is gonna care what those dumb bastards believe, let em worship the asshole, make a church to Cheeto Jesus. Donald has a lot of very powerful, smart and dedicated people mad as Hell at him, they will get the fucker, and they are just as pissed as you.

You'd be surprised at how a guilty verdict or two can take the wind outta their sails with the public.
 

Sour Wreck

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After the midterms nobody is gonna care what those dumb bastards believe, let em worship the asshole, make a church to Cheeto Jesus. Donald has a lot of very powerful, smart and dedicated people mad as Hell at him, they will get the fucker, and they are just as pissed as you.

You'd be surprised at how a guilty verdict or two can take the wind outta their sails with the public.
they are all afraid of him and his control of the republican base. they are also complicit in his crimes.

this shit is going to get really fucking ugly...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i think you are wrong. Donald Trump has become a cult leader and approximately 35% of voters will ALWAYS support him, even if he commits murder.

as you can see, AMERICA is going to have to take out the trash again.

35% of my countrymen are so angry about our country. we should help them... :blsmoke:
America ain't nothing special in that regard, look it up, 35% of any population does not value democracy and like authoritarian government. We have them here in Canada too, but history and fear have increased their numbers in the USA. Ya got lucky with Donald, if he had a brain America wouldn't have stood a chance, reform or die as a country, America 2.0 might be a good idea.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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We here in Canada could put in a good word for ya with Her Majesty the Queen, perhaps she'll take ya back? She's a much better Queen than the drama queen you now have running the place, the lady has class and doesn't lie either. Face it, the American experiment has failed, you were defeated as a country by an idiot like Donald Trump. When yer government has a FOR SALE sign on it, the russians might buy it, government by the highest bidder is another term for a slave auction.

PS: You'll have to "dispose" of Trump before we can help you though...
 

the rock

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they are all afraid of him and his control of the republican base. they are also complicit in his crimes.ng alot better about it self now than in the last ten years.
they are all afraid of him and his control of the republican base. they are also complicit in his crimes.

this shit is going to get really fucking ugly...
Do you have a specific time when the ugliness will occur,right now were sitting pretty:fire:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Do you have a specific time when the ugliness will occur,right now were sitting pretty:fire:
So ya figure yer winning something eh, what exactly is that? Ya think Donald Trump is a better president than Obama? BTW There is a consensus among all presidential historians that Trump is the worst president in American history. Yer shitting yerself, what's Donald gonna do for you, are you a russian or something?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Mueller Puts President Trump In Desperate Position; Pardon Spree A Bad Idea | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Rachel Maddow explains why if Donald Trump wanted to pardon his way out of the Mueller investigation by pardoning all of his family, friends, and colleagues, the Russian indictments would still keep everyone on the hook, so Trump would have to pardon the Russians too.

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Firing Mueller won't help with this.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Oh but what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive...
I figure Donald has nearly woven himself a hermetically sealed cocoon of bullshit.
When this asshole goes down it will be epic and he'll go all the way to the very bottom.
 

greg nr

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Says who? He could be arrested and held without bail (happens with espionage cases all the time) until the SCOTUS makes a determination, let him sue, good luck with that.
A little piece of paper called the Constitution. US Courts give a LOT of deference to challenges based on explicit constitutional powers. If a future DoJ decides to challenge trumps use of a pardon (don't forget, there are a limited number of parties that could have standing to challenge trumps use of pardons), courts would likely stay any prosecutions while the challenge is in motion. By default, the pardon would be valid until it was struck down. You can't prosecute someone who is technically not guilty by means of a pardon.

If trump does it before he leaves office, and disallows the doj from challenging it in court, there may not be a way of knocking it down.

But assuming he does it in secret and only lets it out he did it after he leaves office, another admin could bring the challenge forwards, but he would be technically not guilty until the pardon was vacated. He would be free to eat mcdonalds and tweet about everything and anything. He'd probably even get tv time whenever he wanted it.

Sucks, but checks and balances are taken seriously.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A little piece of paper called the Constitution. US Courts give a LOT of deference to challenges based on explicit constitutional powers. If a future DoJ decides to challenge trumps use of a pardon (don't forget, there are a limited number of parties that could have standing to challenge trumps use of pardons), courts would likely stay any prosecutions while the challenge is in motion. By default, the pardon would be valid until it was struck down. You can't prosecute someone who is technically not guilty by means of a pardon.

If trump does it before he leaves office, and disallows the doj from challenging it in court, there may not be a way of knocking it down.

But assuming he does it in secret and only lets it out he did it after he leaves office, another admin could bring the challenge forwards, but he would be technically not guilty until the pardon was vacated. He would be free to eat mcdonalds and tweet about everything and anything. He'd probably even get tv time whenever he wanted it.

Sucks, but checks and balances are taken seriously.
SCOTUS makes the call and all the experts say he can't pardon himself, with major crimes including espionage hanging over his head, I figure jail until they do. The last time I checked those folks on the court watch the news and apprehend the danger to the country and constitution, even Trump's own appointment will turn on him, no man is above the law trumps all other considerations. Even those he pardons might have a fight for their freedom if they are part of a conspiracy that also involves him, like election fraud, or conspiring with a hostile power, RICO might also apply. When he is removed from office, he's just another citizen and he'll be a sorry one too. Tradition causes ex presidents to be treated with deference, Trump has shit upon tradition and it's gonna shit on him. He knows this, which is why he is panicking bigly, and so he should, many have died for far less.
 
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