trump's concentration camps for kids

Rob Roy

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Anything to avoid talking about your hero’s concentration camps for kids I suppose
I don't have any political heroes, but a few years back I enjoyed some conversations with Ron Paul about bringing all the troops home, federal reserve scam and free markets and liberty. Smart guy, that Ron Paul.

Speaking of concentration camps, wouldn't you say a modern day passport is sort of like when a slave got a note from his master allowing him to travel ?
 

UncleBuck

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They're not taking children yet, but they're doing it w/ MM lic. holder's gun rights and it won't be too long.

Even as much as I think you are a toady of a tool, I don't even think YOU should have your child seized for growing weed.

But should you chose to illegally enter a foreign country and you are incarcerated in preparation to be prosecuted you should be separated from your child(ren) as they shouldn't have to serve a sentence or be incarcerated for any time for a crime you coerced them into committing.

I think that was the object when this law was passed during the Clit'n presidency in 1997.
You’re a far worse illegal criminal than any border crosser ya stringbean nazi girl
 

UncleBuck

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I don't have any political heroes, but a few years back I enjoyed some conversations with Ron Paul about bringing all the troops home, federal reserve scam and free markets and liberty. Smart guy, that Ron Paul.

Speaking of concentration camps, wouldn't you say a modern day passport is sort of like when a slave got a note from his master allowing him to travel ?
Ron Paul is a racist

He had his own section on stormfront
 

londonfog

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I don't have any political heroes, but a few years back I enjoyed some conversations with Ron Paul about bringing all the troops home, federal reserve scam and free markets and liberty. Smart guy, that Ron Paul.

Speaking of concentration camps, wouldn't you say a modern day passport is sort of like when a slave got a note from his master allowing him to travel ?
He also supports racism, so I guess you do as well. Oh yeah you are against the civil rights bill of 64
 

Bugeye

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Article by: Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame.

In their continuing coordinated effort to criticize all things Trump, the mainstream media has unwittingly dragged illegal aliens out of the shadows — and into the sight of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Now open-border activists are telling the press to pipe down because the attention is both unwarranted and unwanted.

The negative coverage began following the April 26, 2018, testimony by Steven Wagner, the acting assistant secretary of the Administration for Children and Families of the Department of Health and Human Services, before a Senate subcommittee on Homeland Security and Governmental affairs. During the hearing, Wagner, who oversees the work of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which in turn holds responsibility for the care and placement of unaccompanied alien children (UAC), detailed the current state of the UAC program, as well as improved policies implemented since February 2016.

While Wagner catalogued the many improvements implemented by ORR, what caught the media’s attention was this passage:

“From October to December 2017, ORR attempted to reach 7,635 UAC and their sponsors. Of this number, ORR reached and received agreement to participate in the safety and well-being call from approximately 86 percent of sponsors. From these calls, ORR learned that 6,075 UAC remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight UAC had run away, five had been removed from the United States, and 52 had relocated to live with a non-sponsor. ORR was unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC.”

In its typical sensationalist manner, the media translated this passage to mean 1,475 children are missing, their locations unknown and the government is unable to find them. Reporters then attempted to connect the most recent statistics of “missing” minors to the ten victims of trafficking discovered in 2014 in a raid in Ohio. At that time, Frontline’s exposé, Trafficked in America, revealed that the Obama administration’s HHS had released several minors to traffickers “due to policies and procedures that were ‘inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.’”

Wagner’s testimony sought to update the sub-committee on ORR’s new policies, which included requiring case managers to: “verify a potential sponsor’s identity and relationship to the child;” “interview prospective sponsors;” “conduct background checks on all prospective sponsors;” “coordinate fingerprint checks of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) database for non-parental sponsors, or for parental sponsors where there is a documented risk to the safety of the child, the child is especially vulnerable,” and “require sponsors to sign a Sponsor Care Agreement.”

But focusing on those improvements didn’t serve the Left’s anti-Trump purpose, so instead the narrative ran that the Trump Administration lost nearly 1,500 minors and they were at risk of being victims of traffickers. What liberals didn’t realize, however, was the impact of pushing the “1,500 missing minors” storyline. In a Sunday night Twitter thread, Josie Duffy Rice, a lawyer, senior strategist with the Fair Punishment Project, and a former staff writer at Daily Kos laid it out beautifully. After making a pleading “public service announcement,” “PLEASE STOP SHARING THAT STORY ABOUT 1500 KIDS MISSING,” Duffy Rice explained:

“The potential for it backfiring is real. What we’re demanding is that ORR, which works hand in hand with ICE, ‘keep better track’ of kids they basically would like to deport if giving the chance. We don’t want that!!! You’re asking immigration authorities in TRUMPS AMERICA to BETTER MONITOR UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES. You don’t want this. I promise you don’t. I get it. It sounds awful. But at WORST it’s benign. At best, it’s a good thing that ORR doesn’t know where these kids are. There’s a reason. We actually now have pretty strict requirements before we release these kids. They aren’t all being trafficked. They aren’t dead.”

But what about the 1,500 “missing kids?” Duffy Rice wrote:

“[It] is a result of a total misinterpretation. The ORR didn’t attempt to find the unaccompanied minors. … HHS made a cursory reach out to check on these kids, and couldn’t find out where they were exactly. When I say cursory I mean cursory. We’re talking about phone calls. Phone calls!! Like, no door knocks. No checking school records. They called. They didn’t find answers. There are so many reasons people wouldn’t answer. Maybe these kids are living with someone undocumented. Maybe they aren’t but their sponsor is (legitimately) completely scared of immigration authorities in trumps America. They aren’t missing! They are almost certainly living with family members who almost certainly don’t want to interact with the government and WE SHOULDN’T ASK THEM TO.”

Had the press done their due diligence, they would have reached the same conclusion. But instead, in a hurry to tarnish Trump, the media portrayed the minors as missing. Eric Hargan, the Deputy Secretary of HHS, confirmed the media’s misrepresentation, stating:

The assertion that unaccompanied alien children are ‘lost’ is false. This is a classic example of the adage ‘No good deed goes unpunished.’ The ORR began voluntarily making calls in 2016 as a 30-day follow-up on the release of the unaccompanied alien children to make sure that [they] and their sponsors did not require additional services. This additional step, which is not required and was not done previously, is now being used to confuse and spread misinformation.”

… These children are not ‘lost’. Their sponsors — who are usually parents or family members and, in all cases, have been vetted for criminality and ability to provide for them — simply did not respond or could not be reached when this voluntary call was made. While there are many possible reasons for this, in many cases sponsors cannot be reached because they themselves are illegal aliens and do not want to be reached by federal authorities.

The media also ignored the other interesting tidbit the hearing unearthed: More than 50 percent of unaccompanied minors never show up for their immigration hearings even though their sponsor is responsible for assuring they do. When questioned on this fact, Wagner explained that his office does not track immigration proceedings.

Also, until recently, when illegal immigrants were a no-show for removal proceedings, the Obama administration preferred to “administratively close” the case, rather than enforce immigration law. “Administrative closure” removes an immigration case from the court’s docket, effectively allowing an “illegal alien to remain indefinitely in the United States without any formal legal status.”

Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently announced an end to that practice, though, which will mean that the government will likely soon find many of those “missing” minors. While the open-border crowd might not like that outcome, law-abiding Americans should.

Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Article by: Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame.

In their continuing coordinated effort to criticize all things Trump, the mainstream media has unwittingly dragged illegal aliens out of the shadows — and into the sight of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Now open-border activists are telling the press to pipe down because the attention is both unwarranted and unwanted.

The negative coverage began following the April 26, 2018, testimony by Steven Wagner, the acting assistant secretary of the Administration for Children and Families of the Department of Health and Human Services, before a Senate subcommittee on Homeland Security and Governmental affairs. During the hearing, Wagner, who oversees the work of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which in turn holds responsibility for the care and placement of unaccompanied alien children (UAC), detailed the current state of the UAC program, as well as improved policies implemented since February 2016.

While Wagner catalogued the many improvements implemented by ORR, what caught the media’s attention was this passage:

“From October to December 2017, ORR attempted to reach 7,635 UAC and their sponsors. Of this number, ORR reached and received agreement to participate in the safety and well-being call from approximately 86 percent of sponsors. From these calls, ORR learned that 6,075 UAC remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight UAC had run away, five had been removed from the United States, and 52 had relocated to live with a non-sponsor. ORR was unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC.”

In its typical sensationalist manner, the media translated this passage to mean 1,475 children are missing, their locations unknown and the government is unable to find them. Reporters then attempted to connect the most recent statistics of “missing” minors to the ten victims of trafficking discovered in 2014 in a raid in Ohio. At that time, Frontline’s exposé, Trafficked in America, revealed that the Obama administration’s HHS had released several minors to traffickers “due to policies and procedures that were ‘inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.’”

Wagner’s testimony sought to update the sub-committee on ORR’s new policies, which included requiring case managers to: “verify a potential sponsor’s identity and relationship to the child;” “interview prospective sponsors;” “conduct background checks on all prospective sponsors;” “coordinate fingerprint checks of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) database for non-parental sponsors, or for parental sponsors where there is a documented risk to the safety of the child, the child is especially vulnerable,” and “require sponsors to sign a Sponsor Care Agreement.”

But focusing on those improvements didn’t serve the Left’s anti-Trump purpose, so instead the narrative ran that the Trump Administration lost nearly 1,500 minors and they were at risk of being victims of traffickers. What liberals didn’t realize, however, was the impact of pushing the “1,500 missing minors” storyline. In a Sunday night Twitter thread, Josie Duffy Rice, a lawyer, senior strategist with the Fair Punishment Project, and a former staff writer at Daily Kos laid it out beautifully. After making a pleading “public service announcement,” “PLEASE STOP SHARING THAT STORY ABOUT 1500 KIDS MISSING,” Duffy Rice explained:

“The potential for it backfiring is real. What we’re demanding is that ORR, which works hand in hand with ICE, ‘keep better track’ of kids they basically would like to deport if giving the chance. We don’t want that!!! You’re asking immigration authorities in TRUMPS AMERICA to BETTER MONITOR UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES. You don’t want this. I promise you don’t. I get it. It sounds awful. But at WORST it’s benign. At best, it’s a good thing that ORR doesn’t know where these kids are. There’s a reason. We actually now have pretty strict requirements before we release these kids. They aren’t all being trafficked. They aren’t dead.”

But what about the 1,500 “missing kids?” Duffy Rice wrote:

“[It] is a result of a total misinterpretation. The ORR didn’t attempt to find the unaccompanied minors. … HHS made a cursory reach out to check on these kids, and couldn’t find out where they were exactly. When I say cursory I mean cursory. We’re talking about phone calls. Phone calls!! Like, no door knocks. No checking school records. They called. They didn’t find answers. There are so many reasons people wouldn’t answer. Maybe these kids are living with someone undocumented. Maybe they aren’t but their sponsor is (legitimately) completely scared of immigration authorities in trumps America. They aren’t missing! They are almost certainly living with family members who almost certainly don’t want to interact with the government and WE SHOULDN’T ASK THEM TO.”

Had the press done their due diligence, they would have reached the same conclusion. But instead, in a hurry to tarnish Trump, the media portrayed the minors as missing. Eric Hargan, the Deputy Secretary of HHS, confirmed the media’s misrepresentation, stating:

The assertion that unaccompanied alien children are ‘lost’ is false. This is a classic example of the adage ‘No good deed goes unpunished.’ The ORR began voluntarily making calls in 2016 as a 30-day follow-up on the release of the unaccompanied alien children to make sure that [they] and their sponsors did not require additional services. This additional step, which is not required and was not done previously, is now being used to confuse and spread misinformation.”

… These children are not ‘lost’. Their sponsors — who are usually parents or family members and, in all cases, have been vetted for criminality and ability to provide for them — simply did not respond or could not be reached when this voluntary call was made. While there are many possible reasons for this, in many cases sponsors cannot be reached because they themselves are illegal aliens and do not want to be reached by federal authorities.

The media also ignored the other interesting tidbit the hearing unearthed: More than 50 percent of unaccompanied minors never show up for their immigration hearings even though their sponsor is responsible for assuring they do. When questioned on this fact, Wagner explained that his office does not track immigration proceedings.

Also, until recently, when illegal immigrants were a no-show for removal proceedings, the Obama administration preferred to “administratively close” the case, rather than enforce immigration law. “Administrative closure” removes an immigration case from the court’s docket, effectively allowing an “illegal alien to remain indefinitely in the United States without any formal legal status.”

Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently announced an end to that practice, though, which will mean that the government will likely soon find many of those “missing” minors. While the open-border crowd might not like that outcome, law-abiding Americans should.

Margot Cleveland is a senior contributor to The Federalist. Cleveland served nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk to a federal appellate judge and is a former full-time faculty member and current adjunct instructor at the college of business at the University of Notre Dame.
Did you find that in Seth Rich's laptop?
 

Bugeye

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This piece from Investors Business Daily made me chuckle (probably because buck lost his shit all weekend over this story):
Lost Children? Detention Cages? Baby Prison Bus? Trump's Critics Will Believe Anything


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Trump Derangement Syndrome: Over the long weekend, President Trump's critics were in a sputtering rage over his supposedly losing 1,500 illegal immigrant children, sticking them in cages, and putting others on specially equipped prison buses. Turns out, it was all 100% bogus.

On Sunday, photos of children laying inside a chain-link fence cage starting flying around the internet. New York Times Magazine editor-in-chief Jake Silverstein forwarded it to his followers, saying that "all of these photos are disturbing, but the first two are especially awful."

CNN's Hadas Gold described the pictures as "First Photos of separated migrant children at holding facility."

Outrage quickly followed.

"This is happening right now," said former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau. "Speechless. This is not who we are as a nation," said Antonio Villaraigosa, who is running for California governor. Actress Rosanna Arquette called it a "sick crime against Humanity"

Turns out the photos were taken in 2014 — when, ahem, President Obama was in the White House, a fact that nobody bothered to check before blowing a gasket. Once word of that fact got out, many of these same people deleted their tweets, rather than admit that the "sick crime" happened under their beloved Obama.

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Next, there was a picture showing a bus outfitted with child safety seats being used at an ICE family detention center in Karnes County, Texas. ABC Houston reporter Antonio Arellano tweeted the picture on Sunday, describing it as "a prison bus just for babies."

Again, outrage ensued.

"Unconscionable and inhumane, "said Texas Sen. Sylvia Garcia. "This is what we've come to under Donald Trump," said Stephen King. Others tweeted: "your new gestapo at work," "this is what fascism looks like," "we live in a dark period of American history," "moral abomination." Etc., etc.

Oops. Turns out this picture, too, was taken when Obama was president. And, the bus was actually used to take the children on field trips to places like the San Antonio Zoo, a nearby park, the movies, as well as for medical treatment and court appointments.

So much for the Trump-era inhumane prison bus for babies.

'Lost' Children
Finally, there was the story flying around over the weekend about how the Trump administrationhad "lost" almost 1,500 illegal immigrant children who'd been "ripped" from their parents after crossing the border.

That sparked yet out another round of hair-pulling outrage.

"What is more shameful than forcibly separating, in America, parents from infant children at the border? And then, losing track of those children?" Preet Bhara, former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tweeted.

Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro said that "when I think about the 1500 lost children … I come back to the same thought: If we can't stop this in America we can't stop it anywhere."

Turns out the children hadn't been "forcibly" taken away from their parents, and they weren't lost, either.

As the New York Times explained on Monday, these children didn't come across the southwest border with their parents, they came across illegally on their own. As the Times explains, the children in question are part of the government's long-standing relocation program for "unaccompanied alien children," in which the children get released to sponsor families.

'Lost' By Obama
Back in 2008, the inspector general for the Health and Human Services department noted that HHS and Homeland Security weren't regularly checking in on these children to make sure they were doing OK with their sponsor families. So, HHS started following up with the sponsors 30 days after the children's release.

But, as the IG noted in a follow-up July 2017 report, HHS doesn't always succeed in its attempts to reach the sponsors. It reported that in the first half of 2016, HHS couldn't reach 16% of the 25,975 children placed with sponsors during those months.

In other words, under President Obama, the government "lost" 4,156 illegal immigrant children in just the first six months of 2016!

Anyone recall anyone complaining about the inhumanity of this when it was happening under Obama? Of course not.

Trump's critics are increasingly behaving like reckless, irresponsible, childish, hate-filled, divisive, uninformed scaremongers who will believe anything that makes Trump look bad. In other words, they are showing themselves to be everything they accuse Trump of being.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
This piece from Investors Business Daily made me chuckle (probably because buck lost his shit all weekend over this story):
Lost Children? Detention Cages? Baby Prison Bus? Trump's Critics Will Believe Anything


Reprints
  • 5/29/2018
Trump Derangement Syndrome: Over the long weekend, President Trump's critics were in a sputtering rage over his supposedly losing 1,500 illegal immigrant children, sticking them in cages, and putting others on specially equipped prison buses. Turns out, it was all 100% bogus.

On Sunday, photos of children laying inside a chain-link fence cage starting flying around the internet. New York Times Magazine editor-in-chief Jake Silverstein forwarded it to his followers, saying that "all of these photos are disturbing, but the first two are especially awful."

CNN's Hadas Gold described the pictures as "First Photos of separated migrant children at holding facility."

Outrage quickly followed.

"This is happening right now," said former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau. "Speechless. This is not who we are as a nation," said Antonio Villaraigosa, who is running for California governor. Actress Rosanna Arquette called it a "sick crime against Humanity"

Turns out the photos were taken in 2014 — when, ahem, President Obama was in the White House, a fact that nobody bothered to check before blowing a gasket. Once word of that fact got out, many of these same people deleted their tweets, rather than admit that the "sick crime" happened under their beloved Obama.

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Next, there was a picture showing a bus outfitted with child safety seats being used at an ICE family detention center in Karnes County, Texas. ABC Houston reporter Antonio Arellano tweeted the picture on Sunday, describing it as "a prison bus just for babies."

Again, outrage ensued.

"Unconscionable and inhumane, "said Texas Sen. Sylvia Garcia. "This is what we've come to under Donald Trump," said Stephen King. Others tweeted: "your new gestapo at work," "this is what fascism looks like," "we live in a dark period of American history," "moral abomination." Etc., etc.

Oops. Turns out this picture, too, was taken when Obama was president. And, the bus was actually used to take the children on field trips to places like the San Antonio Zoo, a nearby park, the movies, as well as for medical treatment and court appointments.

So much for the Trump-era inhumane prison bus for babies.

'Lost' Children
Finally, there was the story flying around over the weekend about how the Trump administrationhad "lost" almost 1,500 illegal immigrant children who'd been "ripped" from their parents after crossing the border.

That sparked yet out another round of hair-pulling outrage.

"What is more shameful than forcibly separating, in America, parents from infant children at the border? And then, losing track of those children?" Preet Bhara, former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tweeted.

Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro said that "when I think about the 1500 lost children … I come back to the same thought: If we can't stop this in America we can't stop it anywhere."

Turns out the children hadn't been "forcibly" taken away from their parents, and they weren't lost, either.

As the New York Times explained on Monday, these children didn't come across the southwest border with their parents, they came across illegally on their own. As the Times explains, the children in question are part of the government's long-standing relocation program for "unaccompanied alien children," in which the children get released to sponsor families.

'Lost' By Obama
Back in 2008, the inspector general for the Health and Human Services department noted that HHS and Homeland Security weren't regularly checking in on these children to make sure they were doing OK with their sponsor families. So, HHS started following up with the sponsors 30 days after the children's release.

But, as the IG noted in a follow-up July 2017 report, HHS doesn't always succeed in its attempts to reach the sponsors. It reported that in the first half of 2016, HHS couldn't reach 16% of the 25,975 children placed with sponsors during those months.

In other words, under President Obama, the government "lost" 4,156 illegal immigrant children in just the first six months of 2016!

Anyone recall anyone complaining about the inhumanity of this when it was happening under Obama? Of course not.

Trump's critics are increasingly behaving like reckless, irresponsible, childish, hate-filled, divisive, uninformed scaremongers who will believe anything that makes Trump look bad. In other words, they are showing themselves to be everything they accuse Trump of being.
you can post right wing articles trying to blame obama for trump's evil actions, but you are still avoiding the question, lard-ass

what's your opinion on trump deciding to cruelly separate toddlers from their mommas, placing them in concentration camps, and then trying to blame his own evil policy on democrats, rat fucker?
 

Bugeye

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you can post right wing articles trying to blame obama for trump's evil actions, but you are still avoiding the question, lard-ass

what's your opinion on trump deciding to cruelly separate toddlers from their mommas, placing them in concentration camps, and then trying to blame his own evil policy on democrats, rat fucker?
I think it is horrible but will deter other parents from making that decision. Can you imagine trusting the US govt to take care of your kid and not fuck it up? Big mistake.
 

UncleBuck

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I wonder about that sometimes. He could be, but I don't think he is.

I mean not in the same category as say FDR, Lyndon Johnson or the Clintons.
he's much worse. he published a newsletter telling people how to shoot black people and get away with it
 

Rob Roy

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he's much worse. he published a newsletter telling people how to shoot black people and get away with it
Did he write them though? Which parts did you think were racist?

I've heard varying reports on whether he wrote them or not.

Anyway, I don't really idolize any politician, but I can respect ideas from people which make sense, while not endorsing every thing they may or may not have said. I liked it during the 2008 election cycle that Ron Paul was going to stop the USA's empire building and foreign aggression. I'm a big fan of non intervention.
 

UncleBuck

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Did he write them though? Which parts did you think were racist?

I've heard varying reports on whether he wrote them or not.

Anyway, I don't really idolize any politician, but I can respect ideas from people which make sense, while not endorsing every thing they may or may not have said. I liked it during the 2008 election cycle that Ron Paul was going to stop the USA's empire building and foreign aggression. I'm a big fan of non intervention.
 

AlecTheGardener

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Four wrongs inevitably make a who cares. Right? Whataboutery is fucking everywhere in this politics section still.

Obama was a closeted xenophobe who deported more undocumented immigrants than the previous two term serving dope. Oh and he removed constitutional rights from Americans foregoing habeus corpus all together to have them extrajudicially assassinated via UAV and hellfire missile. A smart asshole.

Trump is on his way to being a quasi-fascist goon, making immigration policy based upon religious standards and based upon prejudices. He also believes himself to be above federal procedure and judicial ruling consistently. An idiot asshole.

Politicians aren't scared cows, they are nearly always lying shits. Stop holding them in high regard and playing the "sides game,"

Did he write them though? Which parts did you think were racist?

I've heard varying reports on whether he wrote them or not.

Anyway, I don't really idolize any politician, but I can respect ideas from people which make sense, while not endorsing every thing they may or may not have said. I liked it during the 2008 election cycle that Ron Paul was going to stop the USA's empire building and foreign aggression. I'm a big fan of non intervention.
*waves* Heya Roy, nice to see another familiar anti-authoritarian around these parts still.

I liked a lot of his ideas too, but after digging up a lot of terribly circumstantial evidence and on top of the authorized newsletters I had to consider him generally, a jerk. He supported the letters in 1996 and then in 2008 denied he wrote them.

The letters contained a few choice words for the LGBT community and came across as exceptionally anti-homosexual. I remember "sodomy=death" being something he supported as an idea. He also made broad statements that claimed something like 90%+ of the Black Americans in DC were criminals with zero supporting evidence.
Edit: added "s" to newsetters
 

Rob Roy

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Four wrongs inevitably make a who cares. Right? Whataboutery is fucking everywhere in this politics section still.

Obama was a closeted xenophobe who deported more undocumented immigrants than the previous two term serving dope. Oh and he removed constitutional rights from Americans foregoing habeus corpus all together to have them extrajudicially assassinated via UAV and hellfire missile. A smart asshole.

Trump is on his way to being a quasi-fascist goon, making immigration policy based upon religious standards and based upon prejudices. He also believes himself to be above federal procedure and judicial ruling consistently. An idiot asshole.

Politicians aren't scared cows, they are nearly always lying shits. Stop holding them in high regard and playing the "sides game,"


*waves* Heya Roy, nice to see another familiar anti-authoritarian around these parts still.

I liked a lot of his ideas too, but after digging up a lot of terribly circumstantial evidence and on top of the authorized newsletters I had to consider him generally, a jerk. He supported the letters in 1996 and then in 2008 denied he wrote them.

The letters contained a few choice words for the LGBT community and came across as exceptionally anti-homosexual. I remember "sodomy=death" being something he supported as an idea. He also made broad statements that claimed something like 90%+ of the Black Americans in DC were criminals with zero supporting evidence.
Edit: added "s" to newsetters

Howdy. I burped in his kid Rand's face once, but that's another story.

I did read somewhere Ron Paul was homophobic (common amongst men in his age group, but not an excuse). Like I mentioned in 2008, I liked his plan to rein in foreign aggression. It's not worth it to me to try to defend any politician now though, I'm done with all of it.

After 2008, I voted for Vermin Supreme.
 

UncleBuck

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Howdy. I burped in his kid Rand's face once, but that's another story.

I did read somewhere Ron Paul was homophobic (common amongst men in his age group, but not an excuse). Like I mentioned in 2008, I liked his plan to rein in foreign aggression. It's not worth it to me to try to defend any politician now though, I'm done with all of it.

After 2008, I voted for Vermin Supreme.
i hear ron and rand met with lots of white supremacists
 

Rob Roy

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i hear ron and rand met with lots of white supremacists
Actually I burped (inadvertently) down into Rand's face at a political rally his dad had about 10 or 11 years ago. I'm about 3 feet taller than the pipsqueak.

A friend and I attended and had already consumed a couple beers...unfortunately my "conversation" with Rand during the milling around and gab with Ron Paul's family part, began with a belch. It's not like I shit on the floor or anything though, Poopy Pants.
 

AlecTheGardener

Well-Known Member
Howdy. I burped in his kid Rand's face once, but that's another story.
:-o

I did read somewhere Ron Paul was homophobic (common amongst men in his age group, but not an excuse). Like I mentioned in 2008, I liked his plan to rein in foreign aggression. It's not worth it to me to try to defend any politician now though, I'm done with all of it.

After 2008, I voted for Vermin Supreme.
I don't blame ya. Policies are easier to deal with and concepts generally stay the same, their spirit if you will. In those days I was more in the Overton Window at the time, a constitutionalist with right leaning Libertarian views. I voted for Alan Keyes in 2008. Wrote in my dad for the hell of in the years thereafter.
 
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