I've heard that they've started doing med grow site inspections...

[Humanrob]

I heard from a friend that they are starting to do grow site inspections, but I don't have any other info on this.

Are they only going to check sites that are big enough to use the tracking system, or with more than one card?

We are the most insignificant type of grower: a single patient growing for themselves only on their own property. What are the odds we will be inspected? Are they inspecting everyone?

I don't know if the answers to these questions are publicly available or not, just checking to see if anyone has heard anything.

 

[dandyrandy]

I expect crack downs. Sessions said on Thursday that "fentanyl people are really killers," but did not clarify to whom he was specifically referring. He also said that he has heard from many police chiefs that drug addiction "starts with marijuana."

 

[petert]

I haven’t heard of anyone being inspected yet.. they have mailed out letters saying they intend to.
It said they will give 10 days notice of inspection.
My guess is. And this is just a guess.. They may focus where there is the most density of medical growers which is Jackson County
I’m a grower and grow for two other patients. Not sure how much of a priority I’ll be.

 

[Humanrob]

I suppose unless someone knew an actual inspector, we might never know if they were given a plan or directive for who to inspect. My guess would be they want to know if people actually understand the tracking system and be sure they are using it, so grows that are large enough to require that would at least be the first to be inspected. But that would be logical and I'm not sure if a state run bureaucracy runs on logic.

The only reason this came up for me is that I'm doing some (indoor) breeding for the first time, and there will be about a 2 week window while I'm waiting for the males to pop where some of my 12 plants may not be under 24". It got me thinking and there seem to be some knowledgeable people around here so I thought I'd ask.

 

[stsin]

There was the checklist posted by OSGG on facebook awhile back that should at least tell you what they're looking for (https://tinyurl.com/yd84zo2a ) if that one doesn't work, search for osgg checklist on facebook, and I suggest following them. Also for non mature, the size limits are different depending on which class of grower you are (it's friggin annoying.) The latest info I've found is linked from the ommp faq page to: http://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/CHRONICDISEASE/MEDICALMARIJUANAPROGRAM/Documents/Plant-Limit-Chart.pdf Which reading it tells me that as a patient growing at my residence, I'm limited to 12 plants, BUT there is no size limits (and you can't be grandfathered). Claiming to follow their rules should give you a defense if the no size limit line is incorrect, and if the plants aren't in bloom I honestly can't imagine they'd have a problem if the numbers were accurate (if you have 100 clones you're not going to be ok )

 

[Humanrob]

There was the checklist posted by OSGG on facebook awhile back that should at least tell you what they're looking for (https://tinyurl.com/yd84zo2a ) if that one doesn't work, search for osgg checklist on facebook, and I suggest following them. Also for non mature, the size limits are different depending on which class of grower you are (it's friggin annoying.) The latest info I've found is linked from the ommp faq page to: http://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/CHRONICDISEASE/MEDICALMARIJUANAPROGRAM/Documents/Plant-Limit-Chart.pdf Which reading it tells me that as a patient growing at my residence, I'm limited to 12 plants, BUT there is no size limits (and you can't be grandfathered). Claiming to follow their rules should give you a defense if the no size limit line is incorrect, and if the plants aren't in bloom I honestly can't imagine they'd have a problem if the numbers were accurate (if you have 100 clones you're not going to be ok )

I know what you mean about the confusing "no size limit" mention, I've seen that document (I was kind of assuming it was a reference to rec growers 4 that was mentioned?). I can print that out and keep it 'in my own defense' if it comes down to that.

I don't really do much on Facebook, the link didn't work for and the search didn't bring anything up... but thanks for trying.

In the mean time I won't lose any sleep over this, and I think sleep is where I'm going now.

 

[stsin]

Weird that search didn't find anything, just noticed that OSGG posted it fully public so I grabbed their two scanned pages so, here they are As far as the plant list, nope, that's the OMMP plant limits for medical growers of all shapes and sizes. Rec is mentioned because we're still adults in oregon, though note that if you live alone, you can't have 6+4 matures, you need to have another adult in the house to have 4 recreational plants as "cardholders" can't grow med and rec at the same time. In theory the cardholders are just patients/growers, but there COULD be an argument for caretakers counting so come next renewal I'll likely not list my wife as a caretaker as in my situation the 4 extra matures are more useful than saving maybe $20 a year in pot taxes... It's hard being trailblazers I tell you

 

[Humanrob]

Weird that search didn't find anything, just noticed that OSGG posted it fully public so I grabbed their two scanned pages so, here they are As far as the plant list, nope, that's the OMMP plant limits for medical growers of all shapes and sizes. Rec is mentioned because we're still adults in oregon, though note that if you live alone, you can't have 6+4 matures, you need to have another adult in the house to have 4 recreational plants as "cardholders" can't grow med and rec at the same time. In theory the cardholders are just patients/growers, but there COULD be an argument for caretakers counting so come next renewal I'll likely not list my wife as a caretaker as in my situation the 4 extra matures are more useful than saving maybe $20 a year in pot taxes... It's hard being trailblazers I tell you

Thanks for posting those, it's a big help. Since we are single grower/growing for self at own residence, almost none of it applies. Only plant counts. I've started to find myself wondering if its worth keeping the card. We got it before rec was legal, and then kept it because it kept us covered for the bulk quantities from outdoor grows. But we got ripped off this summer from our outdoor, so now that the tweakers have discovered us we're not going to grow outdoors anymore.

I'm not sure if we wouldn't be better off dropping the card and just flying under the radar. My entire set up is one 3x3 and one 2x4 tent, and now I have a table in a store room that goes up for 3-4 weeks to hold boys under a light so I can collect some pollen. It's all small scale, but now that I'm playing around with chucking pollen on those runs, lots of small plants makes for a better field to choose from and so I tend to go SOG when testing new strains.

When our outdoor med grow was ripped off, we decided to do a police report because we thought it might be important to have cannabis thefts tracked. Not sure if that was a good idea or not. Now we are on OLCC and the local Sheriff's radar... and yet I have to think they all have better things to do than bother us. Unless... they've simply decided to go down the list and inspect every grower every year. If that's the case, I'd seriously consider dropping the card.

 

[petert]

The letter OMMP sent out is a little confusing. I’ve been growing for myself and three OMMP patients for years and years at my residence.
I live outside city limits on 2 1/2 acres zoned rural residential.
Am I no longer allowed to grow for patients who can’t grow there own?

 

[stsin]

HR: IMHO for me the key is this: as a self growing patient growing outdoors, I'm allowed to have in my possession up to *72* POUNDS of marijuana wherever I happen to be. I have never reached this milestone, and am unlikely to ever do so. However, for ~$200 a year, I can have this level of protection vs the 8 ounce PP at home level rec gets (1 ounce outside the house) and am fairly confident if the powers that be in DC ever come for the states' rights to pot, medical will be the last to go as even utah is starting to realize there's something to this medical thing. That is enough for me to go through the hassle of renewing each year. For outdoor grow security, your best bet is to go a little overboard with cameras, motion detectors, and fencing (hardware cloth is fucking magical stuff for deterring and slowing down people, toss in some obvious cameras and you're golden, especially if you have non obvious cameras too ) But really, if someone wants to steal what is yours, they will do so eventually... if you're in pdx or the near suburbs I'm not sure you'd be able to pull off an outdoor grow remotely easily (though fuck, if I could move back to pdx, i'd give it a try!!!) I live in an area with far too many tweakers (not methford, but the towns of eastern oregon have more than their share) I think this year I lost ~2 lbs of final harvest (maybe more? they took 6 decent sized branches, including 3 from my usual heaviest yielder) but, that just told me I needed to move the cameras, put out the cheap motion detector, and also add hardware cloth on the outside of the greenhouse sheeting (I've also altered my schedule but that requires you to not have to adult often ) . So far no return visit. If I was growing for myself inside I'd have to work all year and with my indoor skill level would not be able to get the same yield as I do in one round outside if I managed to keep my sativas down low (if i were just growing 8 week wonders then there would be some equality not counting the extra effort) FWIW If you were growing outside, the cops likely already knew what you were doing as... well, noses and people talking I'd take some comfort in the thought that by just being official and reporting the theft they know you're protected and respecting the laws, so are (in theory) less likely to harass you. I reported last year's theft as they did some damage to the neighbor's fence, but didn't report this years as the only damage was to my sheeting... As far as the inspectors go, I really can't imagine given how many grows there are that us single growsite self growers will ever see the inspection people honestly (also, as you mention, pretty much none of the things they look for pertains to us, so not really worth their time )


Petert: if you're zoned residential AND a patient that lives there, then if I'm reading it correctly you can now just support up to 2 patients (including yourself.) At least that's the takeaway I took, though really, talk to a cana lawyer if you're growing for more than 2 people in total. If you wanted to just grow for the 3 people and not yourself, then you'd be fine (hell, you could even add one more patient as rural residential != residential as you're outside city limits) But really, YOU and anyone growing for more than themselves really talking to a cana lawyer is my (strong) advice. HR and I are much more cut and dry.

 

[petert]

HR: IMHO for me the key is this: as a self growing patient growing outdoors, I'm allowed to have in my possession up to *72* POUNDS of marijuana wherever I happen to be. I have never reached this milestone, and am unlikely to ever do so. However, for ~$200 a year, I can have this level of protection vs the 8 ounce PP at home level rec gets (1 ounce outside the house) and am fairly confident if the powers that be in DC ever come for the states' rights to pot, medical will be the last to go as even utah is starting to realize there's something to this medical thing. That is enough for me to go through the hassle of renewing each year. For outdoor grow security, your best bet is to go a little overboard with cameras, motion detectors, and fencing (hardware cloth is fucking magical stuff for deterring and slowing down people, toss in some obvious cameras and you're golden, especially if you have non obvious cameras too ) But really, if someone wants to steal what is yours, they will do so eventually... if you're in pdx or the near suburbs I'm not sure you'd be able to pull off an outdoor grow remotely easily (though fuck, if I could move back to pdx, i'd give it a try!!!) I live in an area with far too many tweakers (not methford, but the towns of eastern oregon have more than their share) I think this year I lost ~2 lbs of final harvest (maybe more? they took 6 decent sized branches, including 3 from my usual heaviest yielder) but, that just told me I needed to move the cameras, put out the cheap motion detector, and also add hardware cloth on the outside of the greenhouse sheeting (I've also altered my schedule but that requires you to not have to adult often ) . So far no return visit. If I was growing for myself inside I'd have to work all year and with my indoor skill level would not be able to get the same yield as I do in one round outside if I managed to keep my sativas down low (if i were just growing 8 week wonders then there would be some equality not counting the extra effort) FWIW If you were growing outside, the cops likely already knew what you were doing as... well, noses and people talking I'd take some comfort in the thought that by just being official and reporting the theft they know you're protected and respecting the laws, so are (in theory) less likely to harass you. I reported last year's theft as they did some damage to the neighbor's fence, but didn't report this years as the only damage was to my sheeting... As far as the inspectors go, I really can't imagine given how many grows there are that us single growsite self growers will ever see the inspection people honestly (also, as you mention, pretty much none of the things they look for pertains to us, so not really worth their time )


Petert: if you're zoned residential AND a patient that lives there, then if I'm reading it correctly you can now just support up to 2 patients (including yourself.) At least that's the takeaway I took, though really, talk to a cana lawyer if you're growing for more than 2 people in total. If you wanted to just grow for the 3 people and not yourself, then you'd be fine (hell, you could even add one more patient as rural residential != residential as you're outside city limits) But really, YOU and anyone growing for more than themselves really talking to a cana lawyer is my (strong) advice. HR and I are much more cut and dry.

Thanks STSIN. We’re kind of working on the premise that we have two patient growers living at the same address and have two additional patients for each grower.
Is the 48 plant limit a thing of the past now?
My other option is that I have two tax lots in which to grow on. Both outside city limits and both zoned Rural Residential 2.5 acres.

 

[Humanrob]

HR: IMHO for me the key is this: as a self growing patient growing outdoors, I'm allowed to have in my possession up to *72* POUNDS of marijuana wherever I happen to be. I have never reached this milestone, and am unlikely to ever do so. However, for ~$200 a year, I can have this level of protection vs the 8 ounce PP at home level rec gets (1 ounce outside the house) and am fairly confident if the powers that be in DC ever come for the states' rights to pot, medical will be the last to go as even utah is starting to realize there's something to this medical thing. That is enough for me to go through the hassle of renewing each year. For outdoor grow security, your best bet is to go a little overboard with cameras, motion detectors, and fencing (hardware cloth is fucking magical stuff for deterring and slowing down people, toss in some obvious cameras and you're golden, especially if you have non obvious cameras too ) But really, if someone wants to steal what is yours, they will do so eventually... if you're in pdx or the near suburbs I'm not sure you'd be able to pull off an outdoor grow remotely easily (though fuck, if I could move back to pdx, i'd give it a try!!!) I live in an area with far too many tweakers (not methford, but the towns of eastern oregon have more than their share) I think this year I lost ~2 lbs of final harvest (maybe more? they took 6 decent sized branches, including 3 from my usual heaviest yielder) but, that just told me I needed to move the cameras, put out the cheap motion detector, and also add hardware cloth on the outside of the greenhouse sheeting (I've also altered my schedule but that requires you to not have to adult often ) . So far no return visit. If I was growing for myself inside I'd have to work all year and with my indoor skill level would not be able to get the same yield as I do in one round outside if I managed to keep my sativas down low (if i were just growing 8 week wonders then there would be some equality not counting the extra effort) FWIW If you were growing outside, the cops likely already knew what you were doing as... well, noses and people talking I'd take some comfort in the thought that by just being official and reporting the theft they know you're protected and respecting the laws, so are (in theory) less likely to harass you. I reported last year's theft as they did some damage to the neighbor's fence, but didn't report this years as the only damage was to my sheeting... As far as the inspectors go, I really can't imagine given how many grows there are that us single growsite self growers will ever see the inspection people honestly (also, as you mention, pretty much none of the things they look for pertains to us, so not really worth their time )


Petert: if you're zoned residential AND a patient that lives there, then if I'm reading it correctly you can now just support up to 2 patients (including yourself.) At least that's the takeaway I took, though really, talk to a cana lawyer if you're growing for more than 2 people in total. If you wanted to just grow for the 3 people and not yourself, then you'd be fine (hell, you could even add one more patient as rural residential != residential as you're outside city limits) But really, YOU and anyone growing for more than themselves really talking to a cana lawyer is my (strong) advice. HR and I are much more cut and dry.

I hear you, if we are doing an outside grow having a med card makes a huge difference. It also makes one for an indoor, but the harvests are more spread out so its not as obvious. I think the smallest harvest I've taken from my 2x4 tent was 6.8oz, and the biggest was 13.9oz. The 3x3 having one more sf of floor space should yield a similar amount. So let's say I get 8oz from each, and do two grows each winter, that's 2lbs/yr. That should be enough, I shouldn't need to do an outdoor.

This summer's outdoor was pathetic. Six of the nine I planted were boys, between what the thieves took and the worms ruined, after all those months the harvest was smaller than some indoor grows I've done. Because we live near the Gorge, building structures to protect them is a major project, and then they come down when the plants come down. The bottom line is that dropping the summer outdoor is not a heart breaker for us. 2016 was a great summer for us, I got to grow some big producers and ended out with more meds than I knew what to do with, which was nice because I wasted a bunch learning how to make hash. But in the big picture, we don't need it.

When we did the police report, the Sheriffs suggested cameras and signs indicating surveillance, and we talked about other options. So far we have the signs, but no cameras. We're thinking about getting a dog. Our yard is sort of an extension of our house, there are lots of things that we value out there. Until this summer, we never even locked up our bicycles. We're 100 yards from the Police station, naively we thought that might make us safe. It's also a very quiet neighborhood. But I don't think these thieves were from around here. We built a structure to cover one plant and it was tall, it could be seen over the fence. When the structure went up a few days before the rain, someone driving by understood what it was protecting.

My wife has her doctor appointment next week, so we'll probably renew it this year and see how that goes for us.

 

[stsin]

Thanks STSIN. We’re kind of working on the premise that we have two patient growers living at the same address and have two additional patients for each grower.
Is the 48 plant limit a thing of the past now?
My other option is that I have two tax lots in which to grow on. Both outside city limits and both zoned Rural Residential 2.5 acres.

Honestly, in your case what I'd do (after verifying with a lawyer) is grow on one of the tax lots that your house doesn't sit on for all 4 people as that would definitely be legal and not require creative reading of the rules and would allow you to grow up to 48 mature plants (if you had enough patients to cover it) since it's outside of city limits and zoned rural-res instead of just residential it *should* fall under the "No more than: • 48 mature plants • 96 immature plants over 24 inches high Unlimited number of immature plants less than 24 inches high" part of that page. But really, talk to a lawyer, I'm just a lawyer's kid who can read contracts You of course wouldn't be able to be grandfathered in as it's a "new" location, but you don't need to be grandfathered to have < 48 mature plants. My concern with the 2 growers running on one grow site address would be that this might be considered ONE PRMG as it's one address which could cause you headaches (I think the rules were written as such to discourage collective gardening honestly...)

 

[stsin]

I hear you, if we are doing an outside grow having a med card makes a huge difference. It also makes one for an indoor, but the harvests are more spread out so its not as obvious. I think the smallest harvest I've taken from my 2x4 tent was 6.8oz, and the biggest was 13.9oz. The 3x3 having one more sf of floor space should yield a similar amount. So let's say I get 8oz from each, and do two grows each winter, that's 2lbs/yr. That should be enough, I shouldn't need to do an outdoor.

Good god, that's awesome results, especially considering how your outdoor grow went (I still like the idea of digging down in the ground for the gorge area so you could get an extra X feet before needing a sloped windbreak, but I'm neither moving to the gorge, nor offering to dig up your plot to test that theory ) If I had your indoor thumb, your location, and was happy with the plants I can grow indoors, I'd likely also move everything inside, it is a bit more expensive, but you're also god which is handy... Maybe do a rec plant or two outside, but honestly, unless you go with an autoflower (ugh!) just for a plant or two, it's not worth the supreme effort that is keeping the plants out of the weather. That's a huge benefit to my location, outside of some wind and some cold (the girls got to experience 25F this year), we're blessed with an extraordinary sativa growing location for the latitude. I just have to do metal to support the sheeting, as the wind bends 2x6s when they are supporting some 7 feet (h) x 20 ft (w) of sheeting.... I think when it comes time to have the metal frame mounted to the house/fence, I'll make sure it's possible to also add a roof since it's just a little more metal. As long as the plastic comes down and leaves just the metal greenhouse frame it *should* qualify as a temporary ag structure so I'll only have to build (or rather, have it built) once...

Even growing indoors, I'd always take the protection offered by the card just in case as it's just a little time and money for a measure of peace of mind, but I'm an overly cautious sort...

 

[Humanrob]

Good god, that's awesome results, especially considering how your outdoor grow went (I still like the idea of digging down in the ground for the gorge area so you could get an extra X feet before needing a sloped windbreak, but I'm neither moving to the gorge, nor offering to dig up your plot to test that theory ) If I had your indoor thumb, your location, and was happy with the plants I can grow indoors, I'd likely also move everything inside, it is a bit more expensive, but you're also god which is handy... Maybe do a rec plant or two outside, but honestly, unless you go with an autoflower (ugh!) just for a plant or two, it's not worth the supreme effort that is keeping the plants out of the weather. That's a huge benefit to my location, outside of some wind and some cold (the girls got to experience 25F this year), we're blessed with an extraordinary sativa growing location for the latitude. I just have to do metal to support the sheeting, as the wind bends 2x6s when they are supporting some 7 feet (h) x 20 ft (w) of sheeting.... I think when it comes time to have the metal frame mounted to the house/fence, I'll make sure it's possible to also add a roof since it's just a little more metal. As long as the plastic comes down and leaves just the metal greenhouse frame it *should* qualify as a temporary ag structure so I'll only have to build (or rather, have it built) once...

Even growing indoors, I'd always take the protection offered by the card just in case as it's just a little time and money for a measure of peace of mind, but I'm an overly cautious sort...

Our greenhouse design starts 3' down, for the geothermal cooling in the summer and taking the harsh edge off in the winter. That's probably why we haven't built it yet, I'm getting old to do all that digging. Indoor growing is great when it's going well, and can get fucked up very quickly. But I have a decent pretty easy soil-based system, and with good genetics the results come easily. At this point I have all the equipment, the biggest expense is probably the electric bill, and that's mostly from having to run a dehumidifier.

I'm really not sure what we'll do down the road, but I think for now we'll keep the card.

 

[petert]

Honestly, in your case what I'd do (after verifying with a lawyer) is grow on one of the tax lots that your house doesn't sit on for all 4 people as that would definitely be legal and not require creative reading of the rules and would allow you to grow up to 48 mature plants (if you had enough patients to cover it) since it's outside of city limits and zoned rural-res instead of just residential it *should* fall under the "No more than: • 48 mature plants • 96 immature plants over 24 inches high Unlimited number of immature plants less than 24 inches high" part of that page. But really, talk to a lawyer, I'm just a lawyer's kid who can read contracts You of course wouldn't be able to be grandfathered in as it's a "new" location, but you don't need to be grandfathered to have < 48 mature plants. My concern with the 2 growers running on one grow site address would be that this might be considered ONE PRMG as it's one address which could cause you headaches (I think the rules were written as such to discourage collective gardening honestly...)

Thanks for the info!!

The two growers live at the same address and are direct relatives. So I’m hoping it’s not viewed as typical collective gardening.
I’ll have to make a call in to Emerge and get the skinny.
I wonder what’s going on with the grow site and renewal waiver ???

 

[HarvesterPdx]

I'm OMMP and I was one of the first to be inspected back during last years outdoor season. I had to make sure every plant was labeled and they asked me to bring out all my pesticides and took photos of them. Here's some pics, they wore hard hats to inspect my outdoor..

 

[stsin]

I'm OMMP and I was one of the first to be inspected back during last years outdoor season. I had to make sure every plant was labeled and they asked me to bring out all my pesticides and took photos of them. Here's some pics, they wore hard hats to inspect my outdoor..

Hey there, thanks for sharing (cute hat!) Are you a self growing patient or a registered grower for a patient? (or I suppose, for the single patient growers' mindset are you a registered grower for multiple patients?) It looks like you're growing for more than one from the picture, but that could just be the smoke in my eyes

Cheers!

 

[olaf687]

As long as you have two patients and keep 12 mature plants or less you do not have report how much you harvest or be inspected. That's why I kept under the 12 plant limit to avoid that!

 

[stsin]

As long as you have two patients and keep 12 mature plants or less you do not have report how much you harvest or be inspected. That's why I kept under the 12 plant limit to avoid that!

Um, dude the *only* way to not report is to keep it under *6* medical plants that are your own. If you're growing for *anyone* else (even if not for yourself) you have to use one of the reporting sites see: https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/CHRONICDISEASE/MEDICALMARIJUANAPROGRAM/Pages/reporting.aspx

The bit you want to look at is under "MUST REPORT MONTHLY IN OMMOS" The only way around that is to have two medical growers who both live at one growing site each growing for ONLY themselves to hit the 12 plant number, any other method that gets you up to 12 (medical mature) plants means you have to report in some way, shape, or form.