Nutrients for soil grows

TimBar

TimBar

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I have uses Advanced Nutrients Organic (Bloom-Ancient Earth - Big Bud) I like it, but also have come to love the Humboldt Nutrients organics best ($$)- I make it about 66% strength.
 
rshackleferd

rshackleferd

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dubekoms said:
1. Do you have any sources for that?
2. You can easily over water young plants in coco
3. Depending on your water you still have to ph the water before going in, with soil i don't have to
4. I see plenty of people with insect issues using coir
5. I use plastic pots for soil and they do mint
6. Don't overfertilize to begin with
7. Same with soil
8.Same with soil
9.idk
Coco is good shit don't get me wrong but around here peat is 10x cheaper to use and all of needs is some lime to keep it nice and buffered.
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So many lies/half truths my eyes bleed


https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-the-benefits-of-growing-cannabis-in-coco-coir-n1008
https://www.growbarato.net/blog/en/advantages-growing-coco-coir/
http://www.cosmiccoir.com/benefits.html
 
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dubekoms

dubekoms

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rshackleferd said:
So many lies/half truths my eyes bleed

http://www.cosmiccoir.com/benefits.html
https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-the-benefits-of-growing-cannabis-in-coco-coir-n1008
https://www.growbarato.net/blog/en/advantages-growing-coco-coir/
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Man you're the one saying you can't over water coco and that it doesn't have pests lol I'm just disputing the fact you think only "pros" grow in coco.

Pros of Peat Moss:

  • Free of weed seeds, pests and pathogens.
  • Can absorb up to 20 times its weight in water.
  • Contains beneficial microorganisms.
  • Acidic pH (a "pro" in my opinion because you can add highly alkaline amendments to it).
  • Contains a variety of elements, especially sulfur, which helps with proper terpene expression.
  • Excellent habitat for beneficial microorganisms.
  • Harvested in North America, which reduces the fossil fuel impact to get it to the United States.
  • Holds 10x to 20x its dry weight in water.
  • Better C:N ratio than coco coir.
  • Cation exchange capacity (CEC) of 100-200.
Cons of Peat Moss:

  • Depletes peat bogs, which requires them to be re-built or sustainably harvested.
  • Naturally hydrophobic, meaning if allowed to dry out it will be slow to accept water.
  • Needs to be kept evenly moist for optimal plant growth and health.
  • Requires hydrating before use.
Pros of Coco Coir:

  • Coir pH usually runs 6 – 6.7.
  • "Renewable" resource - byproduct of the coconut industry.
  • Easier to rewet than peat moss, is not hydrophobic.
  • Usually cheaper than peat moss.
  • Different reports list coco as having a water capacity ranging from 8x to 30x it's own weight.
  • Excellent habitat for microorganisms.
  • Free of weed seeds, pests, and pathogens.
  • Breaks down slower than peat due to high lignin content.
  • Cation Exchange Capacity of 40-60.
Cons of Coco Coir:

  • High salinity unless properly washed.
  • Quality can vary depending on batch and source of material.
  • Higher fossil fuel cost to get the coir to the United States from tropical regions.
  • Does not contain many trace elements.
  • Does not contain microorganisms.
  • Traditionally high in sodium and potassium which can lead to calcium or magnesium deficiencies unless properly treated.
  • Requires hydrating before use.
  • Increased incidence of nasobronchial allergy among workers in this industry due to the high amount of dust created.
Like I said I like them both I'm not saying one is better than the other but peat is wayyyy cheaper where I live compared to coco since I live close to Canada and it grows my shit perfectly.
https://www.kisorganics.com/blogs/news/99806785-peat-vs-coco
 
rshackleferd

rshackleferd

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dubekoms said:
Man you're the one saying you can't over water coco and that it doesn't have pests lol I'm just disputing the fact you think only "pros" grow in coco.

Pros of Peat Moss:

  • Free of weed seeds, pests and pathogens.
  • Can absorb up to 20 times its weight in water.
  • Contains beneficial microorganisms.
  • Acidic pH (a "pro" in my opinion because you can add highly alkaline amendments to it).
  • Contains a variety of elements, especially sulfur, which helps with proper terpene expression.
  • Excellent habitat for beneficial microorganisms.
  • Harvested in North America, which reduces the fossil fuel impact to get it to the United States.
  • Holds 10x to 20x its dry weight in water.
  • Better C:N ratio than coco coir.
  • Cation exchange capacity (CEC) of 100-200.
Cons of Peat Moss:

  • Depletes peat bogs, which requires them to be re-built or sustainably harvested.
  • Naturally hydrophobic, meaning if allowed to dry out it will be slow to accept water.
  • Needs to be kept evenly moist for optimal plant growth and health.
  • Requires hydrating before use.
Pros of Coco Coir:

  • Coir pH usually runs 6 – 6.7.
  • "Renewable" resource - byproduct of the coconut industry.
  • Easier to rewet than peat moss, is not hydrophobic.
  • Usually cheaper than peat moss.
  • Different reports list coco as having a water capacity ranging from 8x to 30x it's own weight.
  • Excellent habitat for microorganisms.
  • Free of weed seeds, pests, and pathogens.
  • Breaks down slower than peat due to high lignin content.
  • Cation Exchange Capacity of 40-60.
Cons of Coco Coir:

  • High salinity unless properly washed.
  • Quality can vary depending on batch and source of material.
  • Higher fossil fuel cost to get the coir to the United States from tropical regions.
  • Does not contain many trace elements.
  • Does not contain microorganisms.
  • Traditionally high in sodium and potassium which can lead to calcium or magnesium deficiencies unless properly treated.
  • Requires hydrating before use.
  • Increased incidence of nasobronchial allergy among workers in this industry due to the high amount of dust created.
Like I said I like them both I'm not saying one is better than the other but peat is wayyyy cheaper where I live compared to coco since I live close to Canada and it grows my shit perfectly.
https://www.kisorganics.com/blogs/news/99806785-peat-vs-coco
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I actually like growing in all mediums, coco coir just happens to be my favorite. I like soil in that the plants look way more healthy and supposedly the final product taste better. I can't tell but others can. Soil is actually easier if you do it right from the beginning and that takes experience and time. However that's the catch, if you go cheap with soil it can go terribly wrong whereas with coir its a simple fix. Super soil has always came out on top, its costly but worth it.
 
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Very quick question my platinum scout plant is almost 5ft tall and a indica dominant plant , going on 2nd week of flower the crystal cookies plant is 1.5ft shorter aprox. How can I place them in the tent so my platinum girl want experience to much light its like 4 inches from light when its on top on a drain pan when watering but once done it'll drop 2 more inches after removing pan is this a problem or just wait and see if any problems occur
 

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dubekoms

dubekoms

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rshackleferd said:
I actually like growing in all mediums, coco coir just happens to be my favorite. I like soil in that the plants look way more healthy and supposedly the final product taste better. I can't tell but others can. Soil is actually easier if you do it right from the beginning and that takes experience and time. However that's the catch, if you go cheap with soil it can go terribly wrong whereas with coir its a simple fix. Super soil has always came out on top, its costly but worth it.
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Yeah coir is easier to work with since its so neutral, wish I lived more south. I run organic soil which can be a bit pricy if you're buying all the amendments by the bag but it lasts and is recycled every year which helps with the cost. I also run a peat perlite lime mix nothing else with cheap synthetic nutes, super cheap like $20 for 7 c.f. and another $15 for nutes, that'll grow me about 15 good size plants to harvest. They both got their pros and cons just depends what you're looking for and what you have available.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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TimBar said:
I have uses Advanced Nutrients Organic (Bloom-Ancient Earth - Big Bud) I like it, but also have come to love the Humboldt Nutrients organics best ($$)- I make it about 66% strength.
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The Co-founder of AN is a pedophile. If that helps your decision at all. He forcibly fingered a.. 7 year old girl? Might have been 13. But, hey, age is just a number, right? :spew:
 
Hucklebetty420

Hucklebetty420

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Hellow guys . I starting my first cannabis grow of weed soon what nutrient is besr for grow weed ? is expensive to order every stuff?i dont have much, i have budget $300 and i wait sellari 1 month for okey for soil nutrient lamp and extra . but if can order i order now if not expansive. Also what nutriient is besr for groe cannabis? What is you thinking is best order now or wait for have alittle more extra
And this my first grow of cannabis .
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Hucklebetty420 said:
Hellow guys . I starting my first cannabis grow of weed soon what nutrient is besr for grow weed ? is expensive to order every stuff?i dont have much, i have budget $300 and i wait sellari 1 month for okey for soil nutrient lamp and extra . but if can order i order now if not expansive. Also what nutriient is besr for groe cannabis? What is you thinking is best order now or wait for have alittle more extra
And this my first grow of cannabis .
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Where are you from? What is your first language?
 
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