Greenpoint seeds!!
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TheEpicFlowers
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People are shitty. Cover your asses out there boys. Cash or prepaid cc are probably best. Check your balances... call the companies if shit isn't lining up straight. Cancel that shit if you made alot of orders like I did. Just get a new card with new numbers. I should have made one big order instead of 8 small ones. Those auctions are like crack to us seed junkies. I wish I could reverse scam those assholes and buy every seed I ever wanted on their dime. Let them see how that feels.... dicks.
SonsOfAvery
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What kind of smell are you getting on the Deputy's? How long did they flower?
I have 3 in veg still haven't shown sex, Hoping for at least two females.
blowincherrypie
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I would think cc would be the best.. nothing beats most the major banks fraud protection.. I see a janky charge and I dispute.. lose $0.
Send cash thru mail...
idk. I sent cash to nirvana once in 05 for sum white widow for my hippy neighbor and beenbid a few years ago. Both came thru but do it enough times and you're bound to catch snake eyes.. In 04-05 it was a rush waiting for the little "magazine" to come and picking out the strains.. you didn't have other choices like you do now.. you sent in cash and waited.. but sending currency thru the mail is like loaning $$.. dont do it unless you can afford to lose it or are a sadomasochist. most prepaid ccs and debit cards also have sum levels of fraud protection but you usually have to fill out sum paperwork and wait to get your money back. If something does happen you are without that money until they decide if they are going to give it back to you.
imo cc is the safest/easiest/best way to purchase most anything... fwiw doesn't appear to be any suspicious charges since my 420 order.
NugHeuser
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Well I haven't been on in a few days, just read through about 30 pages. Not sure what to say but my purple punch and gorilla glue should be showing sex within a week or two tops so I'll keep the thread posted on what happens.. this could get interesting.
Purple Punch:
One was a complete mutant, wouldn't grow vertically, winding twisted leaves bunched together.
Gorilla Glue:
Most of these gorilla glues have nice structure. I found it a bit odd that someone said there gg wasn't very branchy and someone else said that's typical of gg. Mine are more on the branchy side though.
2 of each, Mimosa, Gelato, and Dos-si-dos.
Considering that most of my current plants are these s1's, if they are bunk I will not be happy. Time is precious, it better not be wasted time.
Purple Punch:
One was a complete mutant, wouldn't grow vertically, winding twisted leaves bunched together.
Gorilla Glue:
Most of these gorilla glues have nice structure. I found it a bit odd that someone said there gg wasn't very branchy and someone else said that's typical of gg. Mine are more on the branchy side though.
2 of each, Mimosa, Gelato, and Dos-si-dos.
Considering that most of my current plants are these s1's, if they are bunk I will not be happy. Time is precious, it better not be wasted time.
TheEpicFlowers
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I hear you dude. There's a couple righteous seed shops within a half hour drive of me and they like cash as much as I do..the problem is, if you want the elite American lines where I am you have to deal with A) credit cards. I don't want to but I will if I have to. B) The fucking border. Those assholes have taken more than their fair share over the years.
I'm not comfortable sending $ across the border because again... The border services are a bunch of thieving rat bastards. The fraudsters are shit too. My claim is in... They are reviewing it, hopefully I won't have to pay but I might, and if I Do, well it's my fault for playing the game. I'm just saying play the game smarter. Buy a prepaid cc. Put a couple hundred on there before the next big drop. Don't be stupid with your money. Cover your ass because for every 1 honest person out there... there are 14 other pieces of shit that are trying to stick it in without the common courtsey of a reach around. Know what I'm saying man
I'm not comfortable sending $ across the border because again... The border services are a bunch of thieving rat bastards. The fraudsters are shit too. My claim is in... They are reviewing it, hopefully I won't have to pay but I might, and if I Do, well it's my fault for playing the game. I'm just saying play the game smarter. Buy a prepaid cc. Put a couple hundred on there before the next big drop. Don't be stupid with your money. Cover your ass because for every 1 honest person out there... there are 14 other pieces of shit that are trying to stick it in without the common courtsey of a reach around. Know what I'm saying man
Michael Huntherz
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I am pretty sure it’s a lot more like a power curve, the 80/20 rule. 10% are saintly and would give you their shirt, 10% are slimy evil fucks and the other 80% of us are a mix of the two, just regular people who fuck up, have good days and bad, etc.I hear you dude. There's a couple righteous seed shops within a half hour drive of me and they like cash as much as I do..the problem is, if you want the elite American lines where I am you have to deal with A) credit cards. I don't want to but I will if I have to. B) The fucking border. Those assholes have taken more than their fair share over the years.
I'm not comfortable sending $ across the border because again... The border services are a bunch of thieving rat bastards. The fraudsters are shit too. My claim is in... They are reviewing it, hopefully I won't have to pay but I might, and if I Do, well it's my fault for playing the game. I'm just saying play the game smarter. Buy a prepaid cc. Put a couple hundred on there before the next big drop. Don't be stupid with your money. Cover your ass because for every 1 honest person out there... there are 14 other pieces of shit that are trying to stick it in without the common courtsey of a reach around. Know what I'm saying man
Not sure about payofix...hope nobody gets shafted, in the end, so to speak.
BleedsGreen
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If you set up alerts and have a reputable card you aren't liable for anything, sometimes they will decide they are sending you a new card but mostly they just kick the thieving fuckers in the balls and they never get paid and I never get charged, If I do I call them up, charge is reversed and my card will never be defrauded but that account again. Never, Never use a bank card, CC have a lot of built in protection that an ATM will take you months to recover from and your cash will be gone from your bank account during that time. Where as a good reputable CC will just had a hold on the credit for that amount, (much easier to deal with IMO).
TheEpicFlowers
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I love my dog more then I like most people. You might be right, I've seen guys literally pull a shirt off their back to give it some one and there is definitely a good mix of people out there but I believe there is quite a few greasy lazy shyster MFer's that are just looking for an angle at any opportunity they get. How many scam artists call you? My wife almost fell for a dude pretending to be the Canada revenue agency. I got burned by the dude in Toronto "trying to get home." I laughed at the "weed " he sold me. Ive seen em all... but everytime it happens it lowers my faith in people.
TheEpicFlowers
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I'm pretty sure thats what is gonna happen to me... it was a major card. I caught the shenanigans pretty quickly and I've been a awesome customer to them but again.. if i do eat the charge it won't kill me and thank God those assholes don't have my bank account info.i refuse to use online debit... thats just crazy talk
THT
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Hello! Yes It was I who said my GG#4 was not very branchy, yours do look a bit more branchy than mine, but even yours I would not consider to be really 'branchy'. Not that there arent any branches, but none of the branches look like they will become very beefy.
GG#4
ACitizenofColorado
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Gu,
We've had issues in the past. You actually refused to help me out. I was pretty put off by that and decided not to trust your gear in my tent. I wasn't able to get the strains I wanted, some for medical reasons, because you refused to budge. It was more important that you make as much money as possible than that you send out one last single-seed order. I'll never forget that and it informs how I see this incident. I, like so many people, was blown away by how many of the S1s had genetics not available anywhere else. I forgot that if something seems like it's too good to be, it probably is.
At the very least, I think you need to explain your process more.
You appear to be skirting a few issues and pointing the finger at other people. I haven't read every post, but I've read enough to understand the essential questions to be asked:
Did you personally run every one of these strains at least once before selling them?
Did you personally run and provide pictures of a single one of the strains you sold as fem?
Can you please provide pictures of the grows you did for all the S1s?
Given that you purchased from a state where growers can test their weed, can you please provide the testing reports for the fem strains you sold from SAG?
If you haven't done those runs, if you have not personally popped and flowered a 10 pack of every one of the strains, if you bought bulk seeds from a state that allows people to do testing but did not ask for tests, you have no leg to stand on. Period.
For all anyone knows, SAG could have bought mexican brick weed, sorted out similar looking seeds seeds, and then labeled them with names of popular strains. Just to get one over on a stupid lick.
Your argument, currently, is that you flew to another state; met a person for a few hours; "looked him in the eye" like you're the human lie-detector from Lie To Me; made bulk purchases of products of various strains which you did not personally run before buying; decided not to run any of the strains after buying in bulk; and then started selling the product as fem when it wasn't, when you didn't test it, and when you didn’t run it.
Did I miss something? Can someone post the links to the threads of Gu's where he proves that he ran everyone of the new strains from a brand-new breeder?
Gu, it seems like you got burned. The man you purchased from is hawking his garbage online for half after he became made aware that the fem seeds weren't legitimate. That is hardly the conduct of a respectable businessman.
Seems like your human-lie-detector was off, and your customer base got screwed. You may refund the cost of seeds, but how about the power and time wasted on bullshit? How do you give someone an entire crop back? You can't.
I hope you go back and read the post from the person who dropped $1000 on seeds he uses to grow for a child with seizures. That is disgusting. If you deliberately fucked up people’s grows… If you deliberately scammed people by not being sure you released good product...
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I'm sure you don't remember me. I was upset first by your switching from single seed to 10 packs because, given the fact that you are not an established brick-and-mortar business, I wanted to be able to try things out before investing significant funds. At best, there was a chance that your gear would be different than I expected. At worst, you deliberately sold bunk products. Your website switched from single seeds to 10 packs overnight before I could finish my order. Literally, I emailed you one day (1 day!) after the website change.
You absolutely refused to help me out. Refused to budge. More of the "period!" nonsense. Like you casting ad hominem attacks against people who were providing possible explanations for why this happened. Like you saying "period" at the end of a sentence will scare people away from figuring this out. Kind of lame. Now this shit is happening?
Do you personally grow every single strain you sell to other people?
Did you sell product to customers that you had not personally grown?
Those are the only questions that matter to me.
Getting tough online when you are in the wrong is lame. Period. Failing to disclose your process for purchasing the seeds is lame. Period. You sold bunk shit. Period.
The very thing I thought about your company: that you might sell gear which you did not lab test or personally run, turned out to be true. Period. Full stop!
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If someone can post proof that Gu ran every one of these strains, or even one of these strains, I’ll consider revising.
I could never remove the portion where I explain that Gu switched from single seed to 10 packs and absolutely refused to accommodate me. I was right. Every single dispensary in Colorado is required to have tests done for the strains they sell. Gu charges the same price as dispensaries, (often more), doesn't have a store, and isn't required to provide proof of product. That's why this is happening. Even my girlfriend, after hearing about the kid with seizures, think’s you’re a jerk for not running a tighter ship. She doesn’t know anything about growing and she knows your standards should be better than this.
Gu, you also haven't been clear. Did you personally see his facility? Did you really meet a guy at an IHOP for a few hours then start selling his gear? Was it over pancakes? Did you have chocolate chip or blueberry?
Accusations are flying because you sold fake shit. Period. Accept responsibility for it. Period. You're blaming others for catching you, for being angry about being sold fake shit into which they invested time and money, and for having the audacity to post their experiences on here.
How will you refund the energy they used vegging males? How will you go back in time and give them seeds that aren't shit? People wasted time vegging garbage plants; your offer to refund their seeds doesn't change a thing. They are out 1-2 months because of this.
I ended up grabbing 2 of the 6 strains I wanted from you. In truth, I haven't been willing to remove any of my main genetics (gathered from reputable, lab tested dispensaries in Colorado) because the way you behaved during that exchanged left me sour. I have one of your strains going to see what happens. Before this, I was hesitant to use your genetics for more than a single plant. Now, knowing how little effort you put into these S1s, how can anyone trust your work?
This, in combination with the way you refused to budge for small growers not willing to drop $500+ on untested genetics, doesn't inspire confidence. You have some serious explaining to do. Many people mention how great the customer service is. I had a terrible experience and have chosen to not trust your work because of it.
This business is about trust. You burned your customers and are now getting tough with them because they are trying to provide or find explanations for what happened. Go ten pages back and read the post from the guy growing for a kid with seizures. You screwed him. It’s disgusting.
Gu, what you did was disgusting. As others have noted, it would take nothing for you to only sell seeds you can personally verify. People lost more than money. You fucked up grows going towards medical problems simply because you didn’t want to verify your shit. You saw the names everyone wants: GG, WC, etc, and for the sake of profit you completely lost sight of what matters.
At the end of the day, even if this does blow over, even if by some miracle SAG wasn’t scamming people, you deliberately conducted business in a way that could screw your client base. You sold shit you hadn’t tested because you wanted to be first to market with strains not currently and readily available. You got taken, and so did your customers.
Oblazer
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Maybe I'm paranoid but I hate leaving any kind of trail , even living in a legal state . I just know all my GPS orders I've sent cash ...I would think cc would be the best.. nothing beats most the major banks fraud protection.. I see a janky charge and I dispute.. lose $0.
Send cash thru mail...
most prepaid ccs and debit cards also have sum levels of fraud protection but you usually have to fill out sum paperwork and wait to get your money back. If something does happen you are without that money until they decide if they are going to give it back to you.
imo cc is the safest/easiest/best way to purchase most anything... fwiw doesn't appear to be any suspicious charges since my 420 order.
usually ben franklins . I've been good , don't use tracking or anything. Just a good old 49 cent stamp gets it done.
I'll just use a security envelope plus I cover the cash with a couple layers of lined paper criss crossed . Just how I do it
Sour Wreck
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i have a couple of texas butter's in 12/12 now.
this is the largest. the second plant is only about 5 inches tall and just placed into 12/12 tonight to join the other.
this is the largest. the second plant is only about 5 inches tall and just placed into 12/12 tonight to join the other.
nc208
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TheEpicFlowers
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My panties are non existent!!! Haha. Just looking out for the brothers. I don't know what everyone else's problems are.
Sour Wreck
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thanks
it's my new RDWC system. brand new. forget the survival blankets on the wall. temporary, until i can put up white plastic paneling. they were better than raw OSB board, lol...
just added a sour wreck and another texas butter up front. the other TB and ghost train haze have really exploded in growth over 3 days. they have doubled in size.
soon, i will add 4 more tubs and a second control rez.
Jp.the.pope
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Super clean...I like it!
blowincherrypie
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I feel ya.. that's pretty much what i did myself. i just saw a forensic file where they caught sum nazi from a 50+ year old fingerprint on a postcard.. not sure exactly what that has to do with this but.. trails are everywhere
and someone else is usually making a bigger one.