late night stoned question...

[Humanrob]

...so I was thinking... if you had a plant in full sunlight in say a 20 gallon pot, and then around early July you started to move it each day a little more next to/under a tree, could you fool it into starting to flower early? Obviously it would not be moved into total shade, but the direct sunlight would be cut over the course of two weeks to about 2/3's of what it was before (or half)?

I'm way too busy to do light dep, I guess I'm trying to cheat it. There are strains that are very sensitive to light changes like Amnesia Hashplant (according to OGS), that might get fooled?

 

[Lucky Luke]

...I vote yes.

 

[ganga gurl420]

Well I know that light leaks in a grow room can cause your plants to hermi...so ....even if your plan worked I don't know what the outcome would be.

 

[BleedsGreen]

I would say no, mostly because the sun penetrates everything not like these weak lights we use indoors that have difficulty getting deep. But with that said give a go and let us know

 

[Jimdamick]

Don't waste your time, all you will do is reduce bud size.
Plants will only react to the time of sunlight/position of the sun, not intensity.

 

[Jimdamick]

Well I know that light leaks in a grow room can cause your plants to hermi.

That's not true.
Plants hermie for 2 main reasons, and that is genetics, so if you clone a hermie, you get a hermie.
The 2nd reason is stress either from heat, too many nutes or fucked up PH (too high)
Light has nothing too do with it.

 

[ganga gurl420]

That's not true.
Plants hermie for 2 main reasons, and that is genetics, so if you clone a hermie, you get a hermie.
The 2nd reason is stress either from heat, too many nutes or fucked up PH (too high)
Light has nothing too do with it.

Well I'm going by everything I've ever read. I'm not an indoor grower. However I do know that light leaks during flower can cause stress. Stress can trigger the plant to hermi. Now do I think pin hole size light leaks will screw up a crop...no do I still think that there must be some truth to this yes.
I just goggled it and people and still saying the same thing.

 

[ruby fruit]

I farted once....plant went hermie

 

[Jimdamick]

Well I'm going by everything I've ever read. I'm not an indoor grower. However I do know that light leaks during flower can cause stress. Stress can trigger the plant to hermi. Now do I think pin hole size light leaks will screw up a crop...no do I still think that there must be some truth to this yes.
I just goggled it and people and still saying the same thing.

Been growing for over 25 years, and slight light leaks mean shit indoors.
By the time a plant reaches flower, the plant is either a hermie or not.
I have light leaks, and grow great bud.
It's bull shit, as long as you have a 95% light reduction, the plant will bloom and even veg correctly.

 

[ganga gurl420]

Been growing for over 25 years, and slight light leaks mean shit indoors.
By the time a plant reaches flower, the plant is either a hermie or not.
I have light leaks, and grow great bud.
It's bull shit, as long as you have a 95% light reduction, the plant will bloom and even veg correctly.

lol I said I don't think small ones will do it like most idiots think.

 

[Humanrob]

Thanks all for taking the time to respond. In the clear bright light of another morning... I probably should have stepped away from the keyboard last night...

 

[BionicΩChronic]

I know my tent came full of pin holes and I ripped the zipper from the fabric. I just crudely taped it back with electrical tape and after like a week it opens back up and I have to restick it everyday after I'm done working on the plants.
I can also say I've never had a hermi from this.
I have one herm that was caused by letting a plant go into flower, suffer 27f nights for a few days, Then put in tent to reveg. Yeah she dropped a few nanners lol but deff not from light leak.

 

[Humanrob]

man, hermie conversations seem to follow me around... the phantom quantum residue of that epic grow I had where every plant in both tents hermied. the tents were in a blacked out garage where when the lights were out in the tents, they were out in the room, so I'm 100% sure light leaks did not cause them.

That's not true.
Plants hermie for 2 main reasons, and that is genetics, so if you clone a hermie, you get a hermie.
The 2nd reason is stress either from heat, too many nutes or fucked up PH (too high)
Light has nothing too do with it.

in that run I had seeds from 3 different sources, so it's hard to blame genetics. I do believe that the combination of too many nutes and way high pH did it -- so I think you're probably right about that.

 

[Jimdamick]

I don't think small ones will do it like most idiots think

Are you talking about light leaks, or penis size?

 

[too larry]

...so I was thinking... if you had a plant in full sunlight in say a 20 gallon pot, and then around early July you started to move it each day a little more next to/under a tree, could you fool it into starting to flower early? Obviously it would not be moved into total shade, but the direct sunlight would be cut over the course of two weeks to about 2/3's of what it was before (or half)?

I'm way too busy to do light dep, I guess I'm trying to cheat it. There are strains that are very sensitive to light changes like Amnesia Hashplant (according to OGS), that might get fooled?

No. From what I can find on the interwebs, the plants can "see" daylight, even if it isn't shining right on them.

That said, last year when the sun didn't shine for three weeks in June, all my plants flowered early.

 

[Humanrob]

No. From what I can find on the interwebs, the plants can "see" daylight, even if it isn't shining right on them.

That said, last year when the sun didn't shine for three weeks in June, all my plants flowered early.

So it's not supposed to happen, but maybe sometimes it does. Not sure if I'll spend the time and money to test it... but I might.

 

[SageFromZen]

Light deprivation comes in many forms. I have a particular placement of neighboring trees that have enabled me with a naturally occurring "sweet spot" within my backyard where daylight gets a time shave at both sunrise as well as sundown. So where the rest of my plants are in full veg my little sweet spot area is flowering my breeder males. I discovered it by accident several years ago and have it so dialed that I start all of my outdoor plants half-in/half-out of the sweet spot in the spring time just long enough to see what I'm working with(regular seeds) and then move them to the veg area before they realize they're showing sex.

I've found that some strains respond better than others. I've got a Nigerian Sunshine x The Black/Northern Lights #5 Haze male flowering in the sweet spot right now as we speak and I have its female counterpart that I started in the paper towels at the same time that didn't miss a beat and is in full veg.

Now, what I haven't yet done is tried flowering a female in that area to see if I can get a finish. I've only used it long enough to check for sex and flower males so whether it can sustain flowering long enough to see a finish is beyond me. I don't presently have any females for use as a case study to see what the results would be but I am hoping that what I've shared has somewhat shed some light on your inquiry.

Thanks

 

[Rob Roy]

Thanks all for taking the time to respond. In the clear bright light of another morning... I probably should have stepped away from the keyboard last night...

Consider a light deprivation program to get them started flowering. Reduce the hours of light rather than the intensity of light as @Jimdamick mentioned. It doesn't have to be a 12 / 12 split either.

Once the natural light has diminished enough to continue their flowering you can simply leave them out and let them finish naturally. Doing this will require you to know the particular plants onset of flowering properties to properly adjust the light schedule and you shouldn't miss a day of the light depo program until the natural light has reduced enough that it doesn't matter and it will continue to flower until finish.

I've seen a different version of this done, to PREVENT early flowering plants from going into flower too soon.
For instance an Iranian Auto Flower (not a true auto) will lose valuable veg time and flower too soon if it's put out around the first of June. By keeping a light on it so it can grow decent size and placing it out for good in early July you'll get a larger plant that will likely go right into flower and still finish earlier than most.

 

[Humanrob]

Light deprivation comes in many forms. I have a particular placement of neighboring trees that have enabled me with a naturally occurring "sweet spot" within my backyard where daylight gets a time shave at both sunrise as well as sundown. So where the rest of my plants are in full veg my little sweet spot area is flowering my breeder males. I discovered it by accident several years ago and have it so dialed that I start all of my outdoor plants half-in/half-out of the sweet spot in the spring time just long enough to see what I'm working with(regular seeds) and then move them to the veg area before they realize they're showing sex.

I've found that some strains respond better than others. I've got a Nigerian Sunshine x The Black/Northern Lights #5 Haze male flowering in the sweet spot right now as we speak and I have its female counterpart that I started in the paper towels at the same time that didn't miss a beat and is in full veg.

Now, what I haven't yet done is tried flowering a female in that area to see if I can get a finish. I've only used it long enough to check for sex and flower males so whether it can sustain flowering long enough to see a finish is beyond me. I don't presently have any females for use as a case study to see what the results would be but I am hoping that what I've shared has somewhat shed some light on your inquiry.

Thanks

It is interesting how some strains can be sensitive to changes in the amount of direct sunlight they get. Thanks for sharing that.

Consider a light deprivation program to get them started flowering. Reduce the hours of light rather than the intensity of light as @Jimdamick mentioned. It doesn't have to be a 12 / 12 split either.

Once the natural light has diminished enough to continue their flowering you can simply leave them out and let them finish naturally. Doing this will require you to know the particular plants onset of flowering properties to properly adjust the light schedule and you shouldn't miss a day of the light depo program until the natural light has reduced enough that it doesn't matter and it will continue to flower until finish.

I've seen a different version of this done, to PREVENT early flowering plants from going into flower too soon.
For instance an Iranian Auto Flower (not a true auto) will lose valuable veg time and flower too soon if it's put out around the first of June. By keeping a light on it so it can grow decent size and placing it out for good in early July you'll get a larger plant that will likely go right into flower and still finish earlier than most.

Thanks for your thoughts. I've researched light dep, even bought a big roll of black on one side/white on the other plastic, but each summer as we plan what we're doing, light dep becomes impossible. I can't be here twice a day at the same time for even a month. So I was trying to find a less time-commitment sensitive way to induce an early flower.



This years experiment in beating fall weather is to try a 100% auto garden. I will keep an eye out for special photo clones at local dispensaries, and I might try this experiment on one. I'm thinking I'd put it out around June 1st, and July 1st start moving it into less light. At this point I don't need a lot of flower, so I'll be fine no matter what happens.