Greenpoint seeds!!

the gnome

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True....true. These are Hickok Haze at some 56 days into 12/12.

For anyone planning on growing these out in the future, they're definitely a "I prefer to grow a huge fat single dominant cola" strain and would make a great candidate for a SOG or SCROG.

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I almost picked this one up, but went with chinook haze on a price point during a rev auction.
if you go to the instagram site @sackmastaflex that's growing out the GPS strains
and there you can see 3+ft solid hickock cola's
 

SonsOfAvery

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I almost picked this one up, but went with chinook haze on a price point during a rev auction.
if you go to the instagram site @sackmastaflex that's growing out the GPS strains
and there you can see 3+ft solid hickock cola's
I grabbed a pack of Chinooks with my mavericks on 4\20 as well... couldn't resist for the price! Will be checking out that IG
Do you know of they have much of the Chinooks on there?
 

Bakersfield

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1100 for the drivers and everything,I built them myself.I went with the 15 cob setup,more expensive but more efficient because i can run them all at lower wattages to get around 50watts per square foot in a 4x5 which is on point for COBS.
If i turn the cobs off and take a pic they look as good as the CMH,There 3100 K full spectrum is why the color on the leaves looks golden yellowish.
I cant wait to get the 945 CMH square wave and run them over a 4x5 next to the COBS the same way to see how they measure up
Nanolux released their 1000 watt DE CMH luminair a bit ago.
It's a great price and would cover a 4x5 perfect.
I've been using their products for a year now and its solid.
 

jayblaze710

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i agree but if you "self" a "female" and 3/3 produces straight up cock.. like stands up to piss, dont trust around your daughter, dick.. gotta question policy and procedures. Unstable genetics leading to a herm.. well that's the cost of admission, gotta roll with the punches.. I dont think 3/3 S1s that throw more balls than the bowling alley can be genetic except to say genetic from cross contamination. Nuts have to be involved to create the male.. not just bananas in the later weeks. A male that herms into female shouldn't be used for breeding imo.




The real question is.. what the hell is everything?? He had a book-full of the most sought after genetics and when an "S1" produces males you gotta ask if anything is what it is labeled/sold as.
I’m glad you’re pointing this out. Plenty of people seem to be confusing herms with straight up males. We have two people with 4 WC S1’s that are straight up male. That wouldn’t happen with fem seeds. Ever. I’ve heard of extreme herms (not males!) popping up in fem seeds but it’s extremely rare. These seeds came from a plant that was pollinated by male pollen. That’s the only explanation.

So best case scenario, these WC S1’s are some random WC cross. But that’s trusting that SAG has the actual WC cut.

I see no evidence to back that up.

His IG is extremely lacking in pictures (everyone should check out his page). @Gu~ says he’s a standup guy in one sentence, and then complains about him undercutting him in the next. Well, which is it? Because he certainly doesn’t sound like a standup guy to me. @Gu~ what proof did he offer you that he had the actual cuts? Where did he get them from? Did you see pictures of them that for some reason aren’t posted on IG?

His crosses and S1’s obviously weren’t tested, or else someone would’ve caught on to the fact that the WC were bunk. That’s pretty clear.

At this point given the breeders lack of information and clearly shitty breeding practices, all of the S1’s should be treated as possibly S1’s of the cut, possibly random crosses of the cut, and possibly random seeds with completely unknown genetic background. They’re certainly not something that any reputable breeder or seedbank should’ve sold for full price and without massive disclaimers.
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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On the seemingly all male plants.

Gender vs Sexual expression
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Originally Posted by Chimera
What seems like an easy question to answer is complicated by growers who don't understand the difference of gender vs sexual expression.

Dioecious varieties have staminate and pistillate individual, said another way males and females.

Gender is set in stone at fertilization, gold star for amanda88. Rather, the gender is set in the chromosomes.

Males are identified by the presence of a Y chromosome, ie XY plants.

Females, on the other hand lack a Y chromosome, or are XX genetically at the sex chromosome (pair #10). Cannabis has 10 pairs of chromosomes, one of each pair inherited from mom, one of each pair from dad.

It is the male that either deposits, via meiosis, the Y or X chromosome into the pollen grains. If it donates an X chromosome containing pollen grain to the ovule of the female, the resulting seed is male (XY). If the male donates an X containing pollen grain, the resulting seed is female (XX). Said again another way, if the male donates a Y to the seed, the resulting offspring is male. If the male donates his X chromosome to the seed, the resulting progeny is genetically female.

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In monoeicious varieties, ie hemp varieties that are intersex, we see an interesting thing happen. When you genetically test the plants bearing staminate flowers for the presence of a Y chromosome, there is none present. You see these varieties are essentially a mix of females, and intersex plants (known incorrectly as hermaphrodites), but there is a lack of true males or XY plants. How can this be? These varieties are used for the production of nutritional hemp seed, so they must be shedding pollen and self-fertilizing the population. But no true male XY plants exist in the population?

What is happening is that these plants have a series of genes that allow the formation of staminate flowers on genetically female plants- what dope growers call herms (again, correctly referred to as intersex). The staminate flowers shed pollen, and the nearby females and even pollen shedding plants set seed on their pistillate flowers, and seeds are produced.

These genes make up what we call in genetics a QTL- or quantitative trait loci- which are essentially a series of genes or genetic factors, which taken together, all contribute to the level of intersexuality on a plant.

If a plant has only a low dose of the particular genes in a female plant, you might get a female that occasionally sprouts a staminate or male flower- either constitutively (ie, the plant sprouts male flowers throughout the flowering-cycle), or it may only sprout a staminate flower near the end of flowering. This is the sexual expression of staminate flowers on genetically female plants, and not to be confusd with true males.

At the other end of this spectrum, you might see a plant that has many of these genetic factors for producing staminate flowers on genetically female plants, to the point that a genetically female plant, may even produce more staminate (ie male) flowers that it does produce pistillate (female) ones. Again, this is an example of sexual expression of staminate flowers on a female gendered (XX) plant. It pretty easy for a grower to look at this plant and say "it's a male", especially considering many growers only look at the first few flowers to determine sex. Think about it, most growers see the first few male flowers at the base of a young plant from seed, decide it's a male, then kill it. However to call this plant a male, is incorrect; genetically it's a female plant that produced male flowers.

The true test of maleness is the presence of a Y chromosome, which can only be tested microscopically (very difficult and labour intensive in cannabis) or via genetic means, either PCR or DNA sequencing, which are now very easy and inexpensive tests.
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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Continued

There are a few labs now offering this test to the public. These tests are nothing new, and are essentially based on a 1995 PCR method of detecting Male Specific DNA in Cannabis (MADC- proundounced Mad C). MADC's are genetic sequences found only on the Y chromosomes of cannabis. If they exist in the plant, the Y chromosome is present, and the plant is genetically male by definition. Medicinal Genomics in Massachussets and Phylos Bioscience in Oregon, are the 2 companies at the forefront of repurposing this 20 year old technology.

The earliest you can detect the presence of the Y chromosome of a seedling is at the point that you can isolate the DNA. This is typically done by harvesting a hole-punch sized piece of leaf from the cotyledon (round, seed busting leaves) or even a little later by harvesting a hole-punch sized piece of leaf from the first true, serrated leaves. You can't use the seed shell of the seed because it is made from maternal tissue- yes the outside shell of your seeds is actually part of the mother plant. The embryo inside the seed is what contains half of the DNA from Mom, and half from Dad. The point is, when you can get a piece of the seedling growing from the seed without damaging the seedling, you can then detect not only the gender of the plant, but also a whole series of traits- from cannabinoid profile and quantities, to terpene profiles, stature, pathogen resistance or susceptibiity, etc. If these traits are then used to select plants, this is called Marker Assisted Selection, or MAS. This is how big agribusiness goes about developing new varietals because you can essentially make planned crosses and determine which plants suit your goals without ever having to grow them out and examine their phenotypes; you make selections based on genotype alone, and then select only these plants for further breeding while tossing out all of the plants that don't suit your ideal.

Gender is set in the chromsomes as I said before, but you can artificially manipulate the expression of these traits by applying hormones, or hormone inhibitors to the plants. Applying STS or silver thiosulfate to female plants induces male flower expression. This is how female seeds are made, a female plants is "reversed" to apply the colloquial use of the term, and then the pollen is used to fertilize another female, or a duplicate clonal copy of the female plants being "reversed". In this csae, although staminate flowers are formed and are able to make pollen, only genetically X chromosomes are present in the plant's genome and can be deposited into the pollen grains, meaning only XX plants can be created. Remember, you are mating (XX) x (XX), - ie no Y chromosome, no male gendered plants.

I hope that clears up some confusion on the topic.

-Chimera
In short you can get seemingly complete male flower expressions on an all female plant. It is rare though. GH seeds had it at about rate of 1 per 100 fem seeds. I got one in a Querkle fem cross. Someone got one in a pack of GHS SLH. 3 in a single pack is insane odds though...
 
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HydroRed

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Yeah but if the seeds are Bogus then how good a deal is it. As least Gu will stand by and help out his customers. The cheap guys may not help as much.
You're absolutely right, I was just showing the markup from one to the other on the exact same seeds and why the breeder info intentionally wasnt put out as public knowledge just for this exact reason.
Timber lights have my interest.
For good reason. They are great lights. I built a light pretty much exactly like the Timber 200W
light for less than 1/2 the cost (roughly .90 a watt). Easy build to do yourself for a novice DIY'er and very cost effective. If you need a parts list, hit me up. I have links etc to the cheapest parts available in the US for the same builds.
 

jayblaze710

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Yeah but if the seeds are Bogus then how good a deal is it. As least Gu will stand by and help out his customers. The cheap guys may not help as much.
Gu should’ve stood by his customers by ensuring that he was selling genuine genetics and tested lines. He didn’t. The whole thing is bullshit.

And at least when working with some dude on IG, you know shits pretty shady. You know there’s the possibility that things aren’t what they’re sold as. But when someone like Gu vouches for him (undeservedly), people are more prone to believe in what he’s selling. How many people bought from SAG when they figured out it was the same shit selling on GPS? I bet a lot. He suddenly seemed reputable because a real breeder they’d heard of was selling his gear. Instead, SAG and GPS both dropped the ball big time. Honestly, I think refunding everyone for all of the S1’s is the only way to truly rectify things. Nobody can trust anything that came from SAG at this point.
 
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