Trump's Wag the Dog Moment; Syrian chemical attack was a false flag!

Fogdog

Fogdog

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trippnface said:
Fogcuck loves to spew bullshit

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Too funny you point this one out. You could just as well have pulled up reports of Carla del Pointe complaining about Russian interference in the investigation to prevent the commission from carrying out its duties. She claimed there were plenty of instances where Assad used chemical weapons and Russia was protecting Assad.

There are too many confirmations of Assad's use of chemical weapons to make your post anything other than an object of ridicule.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
Huh?

Perhaps you are the one who is too weak to carry on this conversation.

There is good evidence that somebody carried out a gas attack. There is good evidence that Assad has carried out gas attacks at least fifteeen of them. There is proof that Assad is committing war crimes by bombing civilians. Sorry, but evidence worthy of proof in a court of law isn't going to come available. Not that we have all there was available on this either.

What are you so upset about? Assad's a butcher and he most certainly did gain tactical advantage from this gas attack. The resistance broke soon after people started dying from chlorine gas. The conclusion that Assad did this is a reasonable one to make.
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I ain't upset about anything.

Its the rest of you getting "emotional" at each other that I was referring to, you're gonna listen to what you side tells you to think and the other side will do the same, it gives no opportunity to actually discuss the event itself.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SneekyNinja said:
I ain't upset about anything.

Its the rest of you getting "emotional" at each other that I was referring to, you're gonna listen to what you side tells you to think and the other side will do the same, it gives no opportunity to actually discuss the event itself.
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There is not much to discuss.
Fogdog said:
One's past behavior can be used to draw conclusions. We aren't likely to find out what happened in Duma. There are many people from Duma who have symptoms associated with gas attacks. They say they were victims of a gas attack and can even describe the agent in a way that is consistent with Chlorine gas.

We aren't talking about a case that is being prosecuted in a court of law. Duma was in a war zone. People are going to have to draw conclusions with whatever information is available. The actions by US, France and UK weren't exactly severe. They gave good warning and then bombed the shit out of buildings associated with Syria's chemical weapons program. Russia was hit with sanctions. Given past behavior by Assad's government and Russia's support for it, I think the sanctions are the most justified and will have the most effect. The missile strikes, much less so. I'm good with the US response even if it turns out that what occurred in Duma is never tied to Assad's government.
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In a civil or criminal case, there is every opportunity to gather evidence with little risk that anybody else will be harmed. In this case, the opposite is true.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SneekyNinja said:
I ain't upset about anything.

Its the rest of you getting "emotional" at each other that I was referring to, you're gonna listen to what you side tells you to think and the other side will do the same, it gives no opportunity to actually discuss the event itself.
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You're exactly right. That's the problem with what the politics section has become. It's too toxic to have any semblance of a real discussion that tackles issues because of people's personal drama. It's a room where people's sole motivation is to come to to argue. Sometimes I'll think of posting something political here, then remember there's no point to it anyway. There's no real moderate or conservative opposition since all of them left after dealing with the same thing for years. Now there's no actual substantive left leaning opposition either because we've all pretty much accepted the same thing and moved on to other forums. People here aren't looking for solutions to actual problems, they're looking to confirm their biases and argue logical fallacies
 
travisw

travisw

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're exactly right. That's the problem with what the politics section has become. It's too toxic to have any semblance of a real discussion that tackles issues because of people's personal drama. It's a room where people's sole motivation is to come to to argue. Sometimes I'll think of posting something political here, then remember there's no point to it anyway. There's no real moderate or conservative opposition since all of them left after dealing with the same thing for years. Now there's no actual substantive left leaning opposition either because we've all pretty much accepted the same thing and moved on to other forums. People here aren't looking for solutions to actual problems, they're looking to confirm their biases and argue logical fallacies
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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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There used to be a point to posting here. Now the only point for most, including you, is to argue. I'm not interested in arguing, which my posts reflect.

You're the Housewives of RIU
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Huh?

Perhaps you are the one who is too weak to carry on this conversation.

There is good evidence that somebody carried out a gas attack. There is good evidence that Assad has carried out gas attacks at least fifteeen of them. There is proof that Assad is committing war crimes by bombing civilians. Sorry, but evidence worthy of proof in a court of law isn't going to come available. Not that we have all there was available on this either.

What are you so upset about? Assad's a butcher and he most certainly did gain tactical advantage from this gas attack. The resistance broke soon after people started dying from chlorine gas. The conclusion that Assad did this is a reasonable one to make.
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Funny how so many people who were there say otherwise, including medical professionals.

You're a good boy, you believe what you're told to.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
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Too funny you point this one out. You could just as well have pulled up reports of Carla del Pointe complaining about Russian interference in the investigation to prevent the commission from carrying out its duties. She claimed there were plenty of instances where Assad used chemical weapons and Russia was protecting Assad.

There are too many confirmations of Assad's use of chemical weapons to make your post anything other than an object of ridicule.
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No, there aren't. That's what I'd coming out.

This is just another episode of manufacturing consent, like the Gulf of Tonkin or WMD in Iraq.

You can't think for yourself, it you would be asking questions like, 'why bomb civilians with chemical monitors?' 'Why would the United States bomb that same sites only a few days later, BEFORE OPCW inspectors arrived?' 'Why do these attacks only happen when Assad is winning and the US is announcing its departure?'
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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ttystikk said:
No, there aren't. That's what I'd coming out.

This is just another episode of manufacturing consent, like the Gulf of Tonkin or WMD in Iraq.

You can't think for yourself, it you would be asking questions like, 'why bomb civilians with chemical monitors?' 'Why would the United States bomb that same sites only a few days later, BEFORE OPCW inspectors arrived?' 'Why do these attacks only happen when Assad is winning and the US is announcing its departure?'
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Why does Assad the even keep the cability to make chemical weapons around if this is the case, hmm?
 
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