Why is this place to noxious?

choomer

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Sure that's nice and all, but what would you say consider to be your ideal living environment, how would you see government(if any in your opinion) be structured, would it be egalitarian, or segregated? How do you choose who you vote for, are there any principles that need to be adhered prior to placing your vote? That's what I'm interested in knowing. All humans have biases, I'm curious about yours.
That which governs least, governs best. ;)
Gov't has done such a stellar job making healthcare and education affordable to someone that actually works for a living with their "assistance" how can I think more is better?

Nothing grows without eating something else unless it produces what it needs to eat.
What does gov't produce? ;)
 

Shua1991

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go watch documentaries on the einsatzgruppen. decades later and they still believe they were doing the right thing by rounding up and massacring the jews.

the best way to alter a nazi's mind is with a bullet
You've already sad that, and I've already made it clear, I prefer non-violent means in engaging with the likes of Nazis(considering you've never shot a nazi before), and I'd rather have an impact on the first Nazi I meet, I prefer good faith discussion and I look to avoid giving false impressions of moral superiority toward people like Nazis (add any run of the mill extremist ideology). I'd have the same method of discourse for almost any group, aside from intentionally dishonest/bad faith actors.
 

UncleBuck

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You've already sad that, and I've already made it clear, I prefer non-violent means in engaging with the likes of Nazis(considering you've never shot a nazi before), and I'd rather have an impact on the first Nazi I meet, I prefer good faith discussion and I look to avoid giving false impressions of moral superiority toward people like Nazis (add any run of the mill extremist ideology). I'd have the same method of discourse for almost any group, aside from intentionally dishonest/bad faith actors.
go ahead and hug some nazis then and let me know how it works out
 

Shua1991

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That which governs least, governs best. ;)
Gov't has done such a stellar job making healthcare and education affordable to someone that actually works for a living with their "assistance" how can I think more is better?

Nothing grows without eating something else unless it produces what it needs to eat.
What does gov't produce? ;)
That seems rather over-simplistic. More consideration should be placed on what said govern actually spends it's money on, and how to make it more efficient, thereby reducing waste and costs. Healthcare is a drop in the bucket, and free markets are good for economic means, but much of what the open market provides don't serve as a net benefit to the growth of humanity, or sustainance. I could see several government programs that could be implimented, which could positively impact the market, by pushing new technologies (like the creation of the world wide web), but I see little need for wasteful spending such as in the vast majority of the military industrial complex, subsidised farming expenses. We would save more money by implimenting a single payer system for healthcare, as has been successful abroad.
go ahead and hug some nazis then and let me know how it works out
I didn't say that, and I'm not interested in being a keyboard warrior.
 

choomer

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That seems rather over-simplistic. More consideration should be placed on what said govern actually spends it's money on, and how to make it more efficient, thereby reducing waste and costs. Healthcare is a drop in the bucket, and free markets are good for economic means, but much of what the open market provides don't serve as a net benefit to the growth of humanity, or sustainance. I could see several government programs that could be implimented, which could positively impact the market, by pushing new technologies (like the creation of the world wide web), but I see little need for wasteful spending such as in the vast majority of the military industrial complex, subsidised farming expenses. We would save more money by implimenting a single payer system for healthcare, as has been successful abroad.
Why is simple bad?
 

choomer

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it would be so simple for you to condemn neo-nazis.
why won;t you?
The same goes for questions I've asked you such as:

Why do you focus on race so much?
Why are you filled with such self loathing?
Why do you advocate more taxation when you don't pay what you admit you owe?
Why are you such a hypocrite?
etc.....etc.......

Answer those questions and I'll consider questions you ask worth answering.

Until then I'm not going to do what you ask when you won't do the same for others. ;)
 

UncleBuck

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The same goes for questions I've asked you such as:

Why do you focus on race so much?
Why are you filled with such self loathing?
Why do you advocate more taxation when you don't pay what you admit you owe?
Why are you such a hypocrite?
etc.....etc.......

Answer those questions and I'll consider questions you ask worth answering.

Until then I'm not going to do what you ask when you won't do the same for others. ;)
condemn neo-nazis.
 

Shua1991

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Why is simple bad?
Because we don't live in a simple world, no matter how hard we try to make it so. We live in a world with a rich history of humanities fuckups, and the few things that keep us from extinction. I'd consider myself a humanist, in that I see human existence as almost entirely consumed by suffering, and a moral life is one wherein humanity aught to work to reduce suffering(especially unnecessary suffering). That includes potentially creating complex systems that address the causes of said suffering (starvation, disease, illness, disorders, environment, and inherent flaws to the human condition). Natural selection is the simplest way to ensure a species will have an adequately ability to survive in it's environment, but I wouldn't recommend going back to living like precivilized man.
 

abandonconflict

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As an aside, I've spent about two years listening and posting to some 'Anti-fa' (Antifascist) forums and blogs, as well as reading up on white nationalism, and the recent new face of segregationist politics 'ethno-nationalist/identitarian/Alt-Right' online gathering spaces. I actually want to know what they believe, only then can I form a rational argument that can hope to change their radical views or rebut the opinions/logical fallacies in their arguments. There's plenty in common with modern Antifascist rhetoric and what I've read on white-nationalist forums; moreso to do with similar psychology, tribalism and their views toward in-group and out-group.
So you're saying that antifascists are exactly the same as fascists.

Please stop being non-smart.
 

Shua1991

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So you're saying that antifascists are exactly the same as fascists.

Please stop being non-smart.
whywwould you infer that?what I said is they have similar psychology, Antifascist view the world in similar ways to fascists, in that they both convieve of a conspiracy by an other group(the rich/capitalist elite, or the Jewish elite, or some globalist conspiracy by Jews). Both have a warped sense of Justice, whereby the vangard(be they Antifascist or the fascists themselves) stand between the enemy and the ignorant commonfolk who are blind to the workings of the enemy. Antifascist think their are fascists everywhere, and that almost anyone can be brainwashed into being one; go onoton blame network news, mainstream media and middle-man democratic liberals as complacent or ignorant to the truth. Go check out a few anti-fa forums for yourself. See how the black block operates, anonymity, dispersion, violent retaliation against Boogeyman. How is that much different that wearing hoods(kkk) to hide your identity from yhe public and strike fear? The motivations of the 2 factors are very different, but the methodology, and how they view the out-group are strikingly similar.
 

ttystikk

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Im fine with

Sure that's nice and all, but what would you say consider to be your ideal living environment, how would you see government(if any in your opinion) be structured, would it be egalitarian, or segregated? How do you choose who you vote for, are there any principles that need to be adhered prior to placing your vote? That's what I'm interested in knowing. All humans have biases, I'm curious about yours.
Ok, I'll bite; I think a more egalitarian society is a better one.

I'm strongly against segregation in the basis of race, creed, color, background, religion or nearly any other categorisation that does not accurately reflect character or competence.

While I personally would prefer a rating unstructured government because I'm not interested in taking advantage of others, I've come to realize that the rest of us deserve to be protected from those who would- and that requires structure. Balancing this need with personal freedoms is the great struggle of democracy.

I don't think money has a place in a democracy, all it does is create situations where those with more money enjoy better access and outcomes than those who don't.

I'm against the endless aggression against relatively helpless nations who have done nothing to hurt America or its citizens. I am disgusted that America has committed so many war crimes we have trouble counting them all.

I vote for people who best reflect my views and I'm no longer interested in voting 'against the worst choice', as it's become clear that strategy is prone to manipulation and never seems to get America the kind of representation most Americans desire.

That's a broad overview. I haven't seen Buckwit or any of his sycophants do the same; they seem to think that personal attacks and vicious abuse qualify as debate.
 

choomer

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Because we don't live in a simple world, no matter how hard we try to make it so.
What made it so complex?
We live in a world with a rich history of humanities fuckups, and the few things that keep us from extinction.
That sentence seems incomplete as you allude to "fuckups" and "the few things" but don't describe them.
I'd consider myself a humanist, in that I see human existence as almost entirely consumed by suffering, and a moral life is one wherein humanity aught to work to reduce suffering(especially unnecessary suffering).
That (suffering) is almost all you see in existence?
A bleak and destitute desolate vision you have my friend.
That includes potentially creating complex systems that address the causes of said suffering (starvation, disease, illness, disorders, environment, and inherent flaws to the human condition). Natural selection is the simplest way to ensure a species will have an adequately ability to survive in it's environment, but I wouldn't recommend going back to living like precivilized man.
We have complex systems now that mix charity with militaristic policing and a host of other nefarious agendas. How do you propose that more complexity is going to fix that?
 
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choomer

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Because it misses the point most of the time.

There is an enormous difference between 'less government' and 'better government', and canned platitudes don't change that fact.
Please explain the enormous difference with examples please as better is subjective to the assessor.
Until you can define "better gov't" it is as much a canned platitude as your view of my stance.

I don't condone making my living on the labor of anyone else as that is taking advantage of others, in that we can agree but I think we view different methods of effectively doing so.

Good to see you though! :D
 

ttystikk

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Please explain the enormous difference with examples please as better is subjective to the assessor.
Until you can define "better gov't" it is as much a canned platitude as your view of my stance.

I don't condone making my living on the labor of anyone else as that is taking advantage of others, in that we can agree but I think we view different methods of effectively doing so.

Good to see you though! :D
Better government is one that reflects the will and serves the needs of the largest number of those affected by it.

Responsive government isn't the same as big government.
 
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