Official Novichok Dissent Thread

Fogdog

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This smacks of the desperation of a failing ideology to flood the airwaves with its own dogma in the hope of drowning out other alternatives- and then proclaim, 'TINA!' (There Is No Alternative!) when in fact finding better choices is central to finding the way forward out of the mess our obsessively neoliberalist leaders have gotten us into.
So you don't support the idea of running a primary filled with many qualified people?
 

ttystikk

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Hillary over Trump? yep. I'd still make that trade.

I voted for Sanders in the primary.

As I said, neither Biden nor Sanders are preferable. tty was talking as if that's the only option. They are not. They are both pretty much out of touch with the times. I don't know why you are so sold on Bernie, who voted for the 94 crime bill, opposed even doing research on gun violence and voted to fund the Iraq war. You shouldn't compromise so much.
What a twisted and self serving misrepresentation of the facts you portray.

Here's Bernie Sanders' record;

http://addictinginfo.com/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

It includes voting AGAINST the Iraq wars, both in 1991 and 2003, as well as voting against the Orwellianly named 'Patriot Act' (for the record, your neoliberal savior Shillary voted in favor of all three), along a long list of other amendments that protected the rights of citizens vs the State and/or advanced the interests of poor and minority people.

Click the link, read the list and quit being a fucking lying asshole for once in your life.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
What a twisted and self serving misrepresentation of the facts you portray.

Here's Bernie Sanders' record;

http://addictinginfo.com/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

It includes voting AGAINST the Iraq wars, both in 1991 and 2003, as well as voting against the Orwellianly named 'Patriot Act' (for the record, your neoliberal savior Shillary voted in favor of all three), along a long list of other amendments that protected the rights of citizens vs the State and/or advanced the interests of poor and minority people.

Click the link, read the list and quit being a fucking lying asshole for once in your life.
Bernie voted to fund the Iraq war. He also voted against reasonable gun controls and even against researching gun violence. He voted for the anti-crime measure in '94 that was a disaster to minorities but didn't affect urban centers in Vermont (white, mostly)
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Bernie voted to fund the Iraq war. He also voted against reasonable gun controls and even against researching gun violence. He voted for the anti-crime measure in '94 that was a disaster to minorities but didn't affect urban centers in Vermont (white, mostly)
That's right. Once his very brave minority vote against having the war was overruled, he voted for the funding to make sure the troops wouldn't go in underequipped.

Such a transparent revision of the facts, no surprise from smogdog, RIU's leading purveyor of the revisionist dictionary.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
That's right. Once his very brave minority vote against having the war was overruled, he voted for the funding to make sure the troops wouldn't go in underequipped.

Such a transparent revision of the facts, no surprise from smogdog, RIU's leading purveyor of the revisionist dictionary.
His vote against would not have had the troops underequipped. Be a man that stand for something. I so wanted to finish my 30 years and retire with a full salary pension. I got out due to Baby Bushes Iraq war. Thanks Bernie
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
That's right. Once his very brave minority vote against having the war was overruled, he voted for the funding to make sure the troops wouldn't go in underequipped.

Such a transparent revision of the facts, no surprise from smogdog, RIU's leading purveyor of the revisionist dictionary.
mmm hummm,

He voted for funding the war because he had to. I thought only Democrats bent over for (insert topic of villification here). Too funny watching you squirm when the same idiotic train of logic is pointed at Bernie. Make no mistake, I think your stupid absolutist statements are just that. I don't revile Bernie for voting to fund the war. I'm just picking up your childish rubber band gun and shooting it your way to watch you cry.

but then again, Bernie really did vote for the 94 crime bill that you so deplore also he's definitely in the pocket of gun nuts and their lobby.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
mmm hummm,

He voted for funding the war because he had to. I thought only Democrats bent over for (insert topic of villification here). Too funny watching you squirm when the same idiotic train of logic is pointed at Bernie. Make no mistake, I think your stupid absolutist statements are just that. I don't revile Bernie for voting to fund the war. I'm just picking up your childish rubber band gun and shooting it your way to watch you cry.

but then again, Bernie really did vote for the 94 crime bill that you so deplore also he's definitely in the pocket of gun nuts and their lobby.
Bernie also named two PO
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
mmm hummm,

He voted for funding the war because he had to. I thought only Democrats bent over for (insert topic of villification here). Too funny watching you squirm when the same idiotic train of logic is pointed at Bernie. Make no mistake, I think your stupid absolutist statements are just that. I don't revile Bernie for voting to fund the war. I'm just picking up your childish rubber band gun and shooting it your way to watch you cry.

but then again, Bernie really did vote for the 94 crime bill that you so deplore also he's definitely in the pocket of gun nuts and their lobby.
I'm not squirming through six degrees of changing the subject.

That's you, revisionist.

And you can't even make the argument in the right thread.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
putin did it. it was putin
Let's see some proof, neoliberal. Even shreds of real, actual specific evidence will do, as opposed to a smear campaign of globalised generalisations designed to sucker in the uneducated.

But that's your stock in trade, isn't it?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Let's see some proof, neoliberal. Even shreds of real, actual specific evidence will do, as opposed to a smear campaign of globalised generalisations designed to sucker in the uneducated.

But that's your stock in trade, isn't it?
it was definitely putin
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
already did. putin did it.
Bullshit. No one has proof and that includes ye who loves to make shit up on the fly.

Let's be clear; if there is proof Putin and/or Russian influence is behind the attack then that's fine with me and gives the West solid footing for further sanctions and punitive action.

But if not, then we just lose yet more credibility with all those watching.

You've been a good little brainwashed thought policeman for years now, obediently swallowing whatever the State pumps into your mouth. But that wins no points nor does it make you right.

At what point are you going to realize that all you're getting is sore knees and a bad taste in your mouth from the inverted totalitarian power structure- or are you invested up to your dirty Sanchez in defense companies?

That would at least explain things.
 
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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I'm not squirming through six degrees of changing the subject.

That's you, revisionist.

And you can't even make the argument in the right thread.
and yet,

Bernie DID vote for funding the war
Bernie HAS voted many times to prevent implementation of rational gun control legislation
Bernie WAS one of the senators who voted for the heinous '94 crime bill

Bernie is just another fake progressive.
 
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