The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Sativied

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OP’s question is irrelevant. Trump is not the actual problem, he is merely a symptom. It’s naive to think the world (read: US) will be a better place again after Trump. The reality is things will only get worse over the next decades. Not like the disregard for facts and sound logic, worshipping the flag, zero notion of the concept of progressive insight, and divisive simpletons are invented by Trump... it’s the other way around.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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OP’s question is irrelevant. Trump is not the actual problem, he is merely a symptom. It’s naive to think the world (read: US) will be a better place again after Trump. The reality is things will only get worse over the next decades. Not like the disregard for facts and sound logic, worshipping the flag, zero notion of the concept of progressive insight, and divisive simpletons are invented by Trump... it’s the other way around.
Trump is the problem manifested, you are correct about somethings, Trump didn't invent stupidity, fear or hatred, but he does act as a nexus for it. He makes a perennial and persistent problem acute, we make history as we go along and each new generation has a different take on things. We are a product of that which went before, are increasingly influenced by technology and we will soon be made unemployed by it.

Trump is a symptom of a deeper malaise, so is the opioid crisis, the GOP has a dead ideology moving forward and is using everything imaginable to retain power, added to gerrymandering, voter suppression and divisive social issues like race, is the specter of treason. It is expected that technological change like AI and robots will make 85% of the current workforce unemployable in 30 years. The only plan the GOP appears to have to cope with this situation is to shovel as much money as they can at the 1%. Technology makes us richer, it's just a question of distribution, start with single payer healthcare and expand yer social programs from there to a guaranteed minimum annual income, this ain't a left/right thing, but a survival thing...

Ya have to treat the disease, but getting rid of the symptoms goes a long way, scatter your enemies and don't let them regroup and coalesce around a person or symbol. The GOP is gonna get it's shit scattered to the wind in the mid terms, Donald will drive it into the ground. Change happens, yer witnessing it, the death of the republican party, they filled their party with hate filled assholes and it's poisoning them. They made a deal with the Devil and those deals don't end well. Donald is the dog whistle pied piper and he's leading the GOP base right over the edge and into the abyss.
 

Fogdog

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OP’s question is irrelevant. Trump is not the actual problem, he is merely a symptom. It’s naive to think the world (read: US) will be a better place again after Trump. The reality is things will only get worse over the next decades. Not like the disregard for facts and sound logic, worshipping the flag, zero notion of the concept of progressive insight, and divisive simpletons are invented by Trump... it’s the other way around.
Predicting things is really hard. Especially when predicting the future.

It is true that saying tomorrow's weather will be the same as today's is a really good way of predicting the weather. This doesn't work so well the farther out one projects.Your predictions are probably pretty good if you stay within perhaps a five year window.

Trump and the right wing politicians of today are entirely corrupt. Also they are deliberately dismantling many progressive regulatory and enforcement capabilities of this government, not to mention packing the court system with their cronies. The longer they stay in office, the worse their effect will be on the institutions of our government in the long term. So, no. you actually have it backwards in your long term forecast. The sooner we remove him and corrupt right wing congress, the better our future prospects. Short term, you are probably right. We are still suffering from the damage wrought by right wing congress of recent years and that won't change any time soon.
 

Sativied

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expand yer social programs from there to a guaranteed minimum annual income
While I am all for that, and something already on the way in the Netherlands (welfare is already so high we practically have it already), it is just a patch. Income is a fictional concept to get humans to perform labor semi-voluntarily.

It is expected that technological change like AI and robots will make 85% of the current workforce unemployable in 30 years.
Good scifi story, but Ray Kurzweil (who pretty much everyone is parrotting directly or indirectly on such predictions) is bit out of touch with reality. He does not take into account the rapid pace at which idiocracy is spreading. I never really get that doomsday argument anyway, apparently humans have been conditioned to believe being employable is a good thing, and robots and AI doing the work instead is a bad thing. A huge part, far more than that fictional 85%, of the people actually in the current workplace will be retired or dead in 30 years. Better think about their children instead, and as millenials already make obvious they don’t plan to live like recent generations anyway.

The only plan the GOP appears to have to cope with this situation
It is that line of thinking that got the US in the situation it is now. The facts are you don’t know all the plans any republican may have and will have on the matter. Same for democrats. GOP is not a single indivisible entity with its own will. And as if a republican or democrat comes up with the solutions. Humans will, whether its a dem or rep should not be as relevant as you make it. Such a world altering happening isn’t going to be decided by your black-and-white vote.

Ya have to treat the disease, but getting rid of the symptoms goes a long way, scatter your enemies and don't let them regroup and coalesce around a person or symbol. The GOP is gonna get it's shit scattered to the wind in the mid terms, Donald will drive it into the ground. Change happens, yer witnessing it, the death of the republican party, they filled their party with hate filled assholes and it's poisoning them. They made a deal with the Devil and those deals don't end well. Donald is the dog whistle pied piper and he's leading the GOP base right over the edge and into the abyss.
This is just rethoric and wishful thinking. We have a very old saying here that applies: you watched too many american movies. As long as the US maintains such a divisive two party system the GOP will be alive. Getting rid of the symptoms can go a long way in many situation if you want to be nerd yes, but in this case it would still be just a temporary relieve. It’s been over a year since Trump has been elected and you still haven’t opened your eyes.
 

Sativied

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Predicting things is really hard. Especially when predicting the future.
(That would be signature worthy on some sites.) Some things are easier to predict than others yes, something in general is typically easier than specifics. This however is easier than predicting the winning lottery numbers. I am just talking the after effect of what already happened and is set in motion. If you push a car down a hill it is likely to go down all the way unless major obstacles change its course. The data is not limited to what today’s weather is. Yet you make your own unfounded prediction.

Trump and the right wing politicians of today are entirely corrupt. Also they are deliberately dismantling many progressive regulatory and enforcement capabilities of this government, not to mention packing the court system with their cronies. The longer they stay in office, the worse their effect will be on the institutions of our government in the long term. So, no. you actually have it backwards in your long term forecast. The sooner we remove him and corrupt right wing congress, the better our future prospects.
“Trump and the right wing politicians of today are entirely corrupt.” Really, all of the right winged politicians are entirely corrupt? Is that-a-fact?

That there is so typical and what makes your two party system so illustrative for what is going on in the US. Extreme, black and white, us vs them. No nuance. At least you didn’t start the sentence with “I feel”, which has become acceptable in the US.

The rest of that quote is illogical. The obvious fact that the sooner they are replaced the better does not make me wrong or backwards in my long term forecast. That’s missing the point.

The main thing you seem to base you brighter future on is the hopes the next potus will be a dem, a savior who will fix it in a few years. Again, Trump is a symptom, replacing him won’t cure american society. It didn’t suddenly get rotten with Trump in charge, nor will it be cured after Trump. Not in 5 years, not in 10 either. Nor will it undo the reputation damage and reduced influence abroad, something of which I doubt you understand the extend. Entire generations grew up with this post WWII image of the great USA, the good guys. To youngsters now it’s perceived somewhat similar as Russia was for us. Dangerous crazy nationalistic folks with guns and nukes who will still be there regardless of which party will provide the next strawman you choose to blame. That’s something that will affect future relationships decades from now. The US is no longer a reliable partner, we have no idea what idiot you might elect next or after that. If someone like Trump can become president there is something very very wrong. As much as some dems complain about it, you still tolerate Trump as a president. See how that worked out for the Germans, which have long been equivalent to nazis even if they didn’t vote for it.

The genie is out of the bottle, and it is not a friendly blue guy granting wishes. It is a monster. The debate will only get harder. Those Trump supporters and even those who regret voting for him still won’t accept a dem president. Republicans will be screaming impeach! as much as dems do now. Just as you won’t accept another gop president as after all they are all entirely corrupt. As many made evident here on RIU for years, both sides, it is entirely acceptable to claim the very opposite of the truth if it suits you. Kind of like how Erdogan operates.

Since you are all, on both sides, guilty of the divisive behavior (and thus the nation got the governement they deserve) you might as well break up and accept the relatively young US had a great run. California is still salvageable. “One nation under God” was bound to fail. Facts and reason are wasted on the religious and we did sent you our worst.
 

Fogdog

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(That would be signature worthy on some sites.) Some things are easier to predict than others yes, something in general is typically easier than specifics. This however is easier than predicting the winning lottery numbers. I am just talking the after effect of what already happened and is set in motion. If you push a car down a hill it is likely to go down all the way unless major obstacles change its course. The data is not limited to what today’s weather is. Yet you make your own unfounded prediction.



“Trump and the right wing politicians of today are entirely corrupt.” Really, all of the right winged politicians are entirely corrupt? Is that-a-fact?

That there is so typical and what makes your two party system so illustrative for what is going on in the US. Extreme, black and white, us vs them. No nuance. At least you didn’t start the sentence with “I feel”, which has become acceptable in the US.

The rest of that quote is illogical. The obvious fact that the sooner they are replaced the better does not make me wrong or backwards in my long term forecast. That’s missing the point.

The main thing you seem to base you brighter future on is the hopes the next potus will be a dem, a savior who will fix it in a few years. Again, Trump is a symptom, replacing him won’t cure american society. It didn’t suddenly get rotten with Trump in charge, nor will it be cured after Trump. Not in 5 years, not in 10 either. Nor will it undo the reputation damage and reduced influence abroad, something of which I doubt you understand the extend. Entire generations grew up with this post WWII image of the great USA, the good guys. To youngsters now it’s perceived somewhat similar as Russia was for us. Dangerous crazy nationalistic folks with guns and nukes who will still be there regardless of which party will provide the next strawman you choose to blame. That’s something that will affect future relationships decades from now. The US is no longer a reliable partner, we have no idea what idiot you might elect next or after that. If someone like Trump can become president there is something very very wrong. As much as some dems complain about it, you still tolerate Trump as a president. See how that worked out for the Germans, which have long been equivalent to nazis even if they didn’t vote for it.

The genie is out of the bottle, and it is not a friendly blue guy granting wishes. It is a monster. The debate will only get harder. Those Trump supporters and even those who regret voting for him still won’t accept a dem president. Republicans will be screaming impeach! as much as dems do now. Just as you won’t accept another gop president as after all they are all entirely corrupt. As many made evident here on RIU for years, both sides, it is entirely acceptable to claim the very opposite of the truth if it suits you. Kind of like how Erdogan operates.

Since you are all, on both sides, guilty of the divisive behavior (and thus the nation got the governement they deserve) you might as well break up and accept the relatively young US had a great run. California is still salvageable. “One nation under God” was bound to fail. Facts and reason are wasted on the religious and we did sent you our worst.
Naive
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It kinda looks like the circle is closing in quickly on Trump, here's one example. He blames Sessions for recusing himself from the russia investigation, Rosenstein fucked him when he appointed Mueller and he's pissed! He's trying everything he can to get rid of Sessions or Rosenstein, so he can get at Mueller and is howling in frustration.

Muller is closing in on multiple fronts and the russian conspiracy charges appear to be the first course that Mueller is pursuing, because it's russian focused, it's harder to ignore. Trump is becoming isolated from those he trusts, Kushner lost his clearance (unless Trump restores it) and Hope Hicks resigned, to avoid jail, probably too late and I'm sure Trump wanted to keep her close and under his control. He would browbeat her into lying for sure if she stayed around. Donald should become increasingly agitated and even more paranoid as they strip away his supporting actors and Mueller gets closer, yer gonna see some drama soon.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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While I am all for that, and something already on the way in the Netherlands (welfare is already so high we practically have it already), it is just a patch. Income is a fictional concept to get humans to perform labor semi-voluntarily.

Good scifi story, but Ray Kurzweil (who pretty much everyone is parrotting directly or indirectly on such predictions) is bit out of touch with reality. He does not take into account the rapid pace at which idiocracy is spreading. I never really get that doomsday argument anyway, apparently humans have been conditioned to believe being employable is a good thing, and robots and AI doing the work instead is a bad thing. A huge part, far more than that fictional 85%, of the people actually in the current workplace will be retired or dead in 30 years. Better think about their children instead, and as millenials already make obvious they don’t plan to live like recent generations anyway.

It is that line of thinking that got the US in the situation it is now. The facts are you don’t know all the plans any republican may have and will have on the matter. Same for democrats. GOP is not a single indivisible entity with its own will. And as if a republican or democrat comes up with the solutions. Humans will, whether its a dem or rep should not be as relevant as you make it. Such a world altering happening isn’t going to be decided by your black-and-white vote.

This is just rethoric and wishful thinking. We have a very old saying here that applies: you watched too many american movies. As long as the US maintains such a divisive two party system the GOP will be alive. Getting rid of the symptoms can go a long way in many situation if you want to be nerd yes, but in this case it would still be just a temporary relieve. It’s been over a year since Trump has been elected and you still haven’t opened your eyes.
I assume you have a larger point to make? Any suggestions for a positive out come? Do you suggest we just roll over and die, give up and accept Donald as Lord and Master? Don't think America can do better for a leader than Trump?

I'm a Canadian myself and there are better ways to run a country than they are currently employing in America, but you do have to agree that Putin is an evil cocksucker and Trump is a traitor. The point of the thread is to have a little fun predicting the date of Donald's demise, not solve the problems of America or the world.

As for Ray Kurzweil, he's not alone in predicting the rise of AI and advanced robotics, not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a distribution problem. Already every manufactured product in the world can be made in China with capacity to spare and they are laying off thousands of manufacturing workers because of automation. So it's a future of the 1% and useless mouths or one of utopia and valued human beings with not much middle ground, it's getting from here to there that will present the problem, it'll be a rough ride.
 

regoob eht

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Does anyone else think Trump will die from a cocaine induced heart attack??? That's my guess. I think Trump
will die like John entwhistle (who's bass player) cocaine, hooker, hotelroom, las vegas.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Does anyone else think Trump will die from a cocaine induced heart attack??? That's my guess. I think Trump
will die like John entwhistle (who's bass player) cocaine, hooker, hotelroom, las vegas.
Don't think he's a cokehead, just naturally fucked up. Imagine Trump drunk, he's acts worse sober than most drunks!
This is what prefrontal cortex brain damage looks like, otherwise known as a sociopathic personality with strong narcissistic tendencies and truncated emotional development. This guy belongs in a cage, not the White House.
 

regoob eht

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Don't think he's a cokehead, just naturally fucked up. Imagine Trump drunk, he's acts worse sober than most drunks!
This is what prefrontal cortex brain damage looks like, otherwise known as a sociopathic personality with strong narcissistic tendencies and truncated emotional development. This guy belongs in a cage, not the White House.
I don't think he's a cokehead, but he is a fat man. And he pays strippers, hooker, pornstars to fuck him.. And anyone who has ever been with a stripper, hooker knows they got blow falling outta their bums. Hard to believe trump never snorted a line or three before flopping his sea-manatee body onto some poor young girl (like Ivanka)... And to think of him flopping that body down and his heart exploding in his chest like John Hurt in Alien. Well that's the thought I use so I can fly like Peter Pan (remeber, Happy Thoughts!!!)
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I don't think he's a cokehead, but he is a fat man. And he pays strippers, hooker, pornstars to fuck him.. And anyone who has ever been with a stripper, hooker knows they got blow falling outta their bums. Hard to believe trump never snorted a line or three before flopping his sea-manatee body onto some poor young girl (like Ivanka)... And to think of him flopping that body down and his heart exploding in his chest like John Hurt in Alien. Well that's the thought I use so I can fly like Peter Pan (remeber, Happy Thoughts!!!)
I figure he'll lose his marbles when they stick him in a supermax 23/7, that's ok, they'll just move him to a rubber room when he starts raving. He'll get his wall too, he'll get to exercise near it everyday for an hour. Mueller is gonna turn Trump into America's biggest loser and he ain't gonna like it one little bit!
 

greg nr

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I don't think he's a cokehead, but he is a fat man. And he pays strippers, hooker, pornstars to fuck him.. And anyone who has ever been with a stripper, hooker knows they got blow falling outta their bums. Hard to believe trump never snorted a line or three before flopping his sea-manatee body onto some poor young girl (like Ivanka)... And to think of him flopping that body down and his heart exploding in his chest like John Hurt in Alien. Well that's the thought I use so I can fly like Peter Pan (remeber, Happy Thoughts!!!)
Hey, look on the flip side. We are Big Mac away from a man being president who says that abortion will be illegal in the us in our lifetime, who isn't allowed to speak to woman alone, and who was so hated as governor that he had an approval rating lower than trumps.

Either way, it's a painful death for us.
 

regoob eht

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Hey, look on the flip side. We are Big Mac away from a man being president who says that abortion will be illegal in the us in our lifetime, who isn't allowed to speak to woman alone, and who was so hated as governor that he had an approval rating lower than trumps.

Either way, it's a painful death for us.
Oh no.... There goes my happy thoughts... I'm falling!!!!!
 
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