More Guns = More Safer

[Cold$moke]

The skills it takes to defend yourself are tranferrable to offense and in both cases the main purpose is to hurt/kill with a gun.

I thought we were talking about more extensive gun training. The hunter safety course I took didn't teach us too much about shooting.

And being untrained carring a gun is better?

Thats where "accidental " discharges happen

 

[Cold$moke]

Your hunter saftey course should have taught you the 4 cardinal rules of gun saftey

 

[LEDandCoffee]

The skills it takes to defend yourself are tranferrable to offense and in both cases the main purpose is to hurt/kill with a gun.

I thought we were talking about more extensive gun training. The hunter safety course I took didn't teach us too much about shooting.

No one is saying it is an end-all solution. There will always be stupid people.

I guess the saying "fight fire with fire" isn't as common as I thought.

 

[PCXV]

I don't watch TV. So, the teletube doesn't sell me shit.

Then how would you know what the teletube is telling people?

 

[PCXV]

Answer this


Whats the difference between a kid that shoots a school and a good productive child?

Whats the difference between a good productive adult and a murderer?

Whats yhe difference between a good productive person and one that commits suicide?

I would like you to answer those questions as they are to my point. Will gun safety education and training assure every person will not use them to cause harm?

 

[PCXV]

I can tell.. you're clearly not too educated on the subject.

That's a cheap shot aimed to dismiss my argument. Im not the most savvy but the nit picky terminology is irrelevant. In the other instance we were talking about two different things (which was my fault, you did say education and I jumped to training). Still, my argument stands: adding more guns to the situation will only add to the problem. Training and gun safety are great for those fit to own guns; it isn't the gun to blame but what hands we are putting the tool in.

 

[LEDandCoffee]

I would like you to answer those questions as they are to my point. Will gun safety education and training assure every person will not use them to cause harm?

Does telling people drunk driving is a bad idea stop it? No. I already said you can't fix stupid. There's no solution to make this perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one does and harm to others. Some people suck regardless of laws and regulations.

 

[PCXV]

And being untrained carring a gun is better?

Thats where "accidental " discharges happen

I'm saying mass training and education may actually lead to empowering the wrong people.

 

[PCXV]

No one is saying it is an end-all solution. There will always be stupid people.

I guess the saying "fight fire with fire" isn't as common as I thought.

Right, and I'm saying there are unintended consequences to pushing more guns as the answer.

 

[TacoMac]

Frankly, any gun that holds more than 6 rounds shouldn't be available to the public. The public has no need for anything more than that. They didn't in 1791 when the 2nd amendment was written, they don't now.

 

[LEDandCoffee]

Frankly, any gun that holds more than 6 rounds shouldn't be available to the public. The public has no need for anything more than that. They didn't in 1791 when the 2nd amendment was written, they don't now.

They also didn't bathe regularly, have cell phones, or cars in 1791. If you're willing to give up all of those things I'll hand my AR.

 

[TacoMac]

Last time I checked, you couldn't kill 58 people and wound over 800 in less than 10 minutes wielding a cell phone or a bar of soap.

Stop being a complete jackass.

 

[PCXV]

Does telling people drunk driving is a bad idea stop it? No. I already said you can't fix stupid. There's no solution to make this perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one does and harm to others. Some people suck regardless of laws and regulations.

True, and gun policy should reflect that. Preventing some/those people from owning guns would help. The law may not be 100% effective but it should still stand on the side of logic and morality. Adding more guns to the equation will result in more misuse of guns, even if most people follow the training and safety guidelines, many will not. The amount of guns is part of the problem, and the narrative that more guns will make us safer is heavily flawed.

 

[TacoMac]

What cracks me up is all the assholes saying it would never work when we have in fact never even tried it AND it HAS WORKED WELL IN EVERY SINGLE NATION THAT HAS STRICTER GUN LAWS.

Right now, you have a better chance of getting shot and killed on your way to Kroger than you do in Syria.

In the last three years, we've lost more people to gun violence than we did during the ENTIRE 19.5 years of the Vietnam War.

How fucking ridiculous is that?

 

[LEDandCoffee]

What cracks me up is all the assholes saying it would never work when we have in fact never even tried it AND it HAS WORKED WELL IN EVERY SINGLE NATION THAT HAS STRICTER GUN LAWS.

Right now, you have a better chance of getting shot and killed on your way to Kroger than you do in Syria.

In the last three years, we've lost more people to gun violence than we did during the ENTIRE 19.5 years of the Vietnam War.

How fucking ridiculous is that?

The ridiculous thing is that you're including suicide by gun on that.

Again, it's easy to tell who knows nothing about guns other than what the teletube blabbers at them.

 

[Cold$moke]

I would like you to answer those questions as they are to my point. Will gun safety education and training assure every person will not use them to cause harm?

No but likeley if a person is responsible enough to get training they are probably not a threat.

How many bangers go take a saftey course?

I'm saying mass training and education may actually lead to empowering the wrong people.

This is where non gun people dont realize guns are not a source of empowerment for the right people .

Only the wrong sort that shouldnt have them

 

[Cold$moke]

Frankly, any gun that holds more than 6 rounds shouldn't be available to the public. The public has no need for anything more than that. They didn't in 1791 when the 2nd amendment was written, they don't now.

From a defensive stand point you can look up numerous cases where an attacker has absorbed many more then 6 rounds


Not to mentiontion carrying more for the threat of a multi person attack.

Hope for the best prepare for the worst .


Try shooting at a moving attacking target and be satisfied with 6 rounds.

Although it doesnt get covered much in the news there COUNTLESS. Cases where lives where saved by a person that carries a weapon.
Be it off duty cop. Or armed citizen

 

[TacoMac]

Again, it's easy to tell who knows nothing about guns other than what the teletube blabbers at them.

What's even easier to tell is a complete fucking idiot that keeps on insisting there isn't a problem at all.

 

[TacoMac]

From a defensive stand point you can look up numerous cases where an attacker has absorbed many more then 6 rounds


Not to mentiontion carrying more for the threat of a multi person attack.

Hope for the best prepare for the worst .


Try shooting at a moving attacking target and be satisfied with 6 rounds.

Although it doesnt get covered much in the news there COUNTLESS. Cases where lives where saved by a person that carries a weapon.
Be it off duty cop. Or armed citizen

To date, nobody has ever defended a legitimate attack on their home with an assault rifle in history.

But plenty of people have used assault rifles to murder innocent men, women and children dozens of times in just the last 10 years.

 

[Cold$moke]

What cracks me up is all the assholes saying it would never work when we have in fact never even tried it AND it HAS WORKED WELL IN EVERY SINGLE NATION THAT HAS STRICTER GUN LAWS.

Right now, you have a better chance of getting shot and killed on your way to Kroger than you do in Syria.

In the last three years, we've lost more people to gun violence than we did during the ENTIRE 19.5 years of the Vietnam War.

How fucking ridiculous is that?

It wouldnt work cause only the honest people would lose their guns.

This in turn increases the rate of crime because now criminals know that people arent armed

Cause criminals will ALWAYS have access to weapons. Duh.

I really doubt those numbers .