Bernie sanders got lots of help from russia
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SneekyNinja
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Purely out of interest, if in theory Hillary and Bernie had exactly equal votes in the election (not primary, purely hypothetical with no Republicans) and you had the deciding vote...
Who would you choose?
Jimdamick
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The person that had an actual chance of being elected, the one that didn't live in a dream world of utopia (nice ideas, but a snowball's chance in hell of being implemented in the present climate in the US)
I choose Hillary.
abandonconflict
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I didn't like Bill Clinton. I never liked that his primary focus, economically, was to balance the budget. Furthermore, I didn't like how he achieved this thing, that I didn't think should have been top priority. He drilled holes into the social security piggy bank. He could have made huge cuts to the "defense budget" seeing as how the cold war had recently ended. He tore down the piece of legislation that would have prevented the housing bubble.
With all of that said, he didn't act alone. He was battling Newt Gingrich and honestly, he was taking some licks in that fight, but at least he did something and at least he kept high approval ratings. In fact, I wonder how much I blamed him for things simply because they happened in gov't while he was president.
One thing I got wrong though, was that I simply assumed his wife would preside as a continuation of his administration. Looking back on her experience and on the things she always said while she was first lady, I think she was really slandered and libeled quite a bit leading up to and during her campaign. As secretary of state, she acted as a faithful lieutenant to president Obama. As a senator, she acted in accordance with her constituents.
I'm not praising her and I don't agree with her views on a lot of stuff, but if her term would have been like an Obama third term, I would have been fine with it. I'm just saying that she was dealing with a lot of prejudice and lies that really hampered her actual message from reaching the electorate. In 2016, most of it came from the Bernouts. From what I have seen, there is a lot of overlap between the Bernouts and Trumptards. A few of the Bernie supporters were cool. The obsessed Bernouts however, who couldn't handle that their hero wasn't as popular as they thought he'd be, sure did a lot of work for Trump.
Most of this is in hindsight. I didn't really give her a chance either. I opposed her because I didn't think she could possibly lose to Trump. I figured it was a good time to help a third party grow by getting votes in blue states to try to reach 5%. I refrained from bashing her though. I was careful never to help Trump win. That's my main gripe with Bernouts. They celebrated Clinton's loss. Not all Bernie supporters in late 2015 to early 2016 became Bernouts.
With all of that said, he didn't act alone. He was battling Newt Gingrich and honestly, he was taking some licks in that fight, but at least he did something and at least he kept high approval ratings. In fact, I wonder how much I blamed him for things simply because they happened in gov't while he was president.
One thing I got wrong though, was that I simply assumed his wife would preside as a continuation of his administration. Looking back on her experience and on the things she always said while she was first lady, I think she was really slandered and libeled quite a bit leading up to and during her campaign. As secretary of state, she acted as a faithful lieutenant to president Obama. As a senator, she acted in accordance with her constituents.
I'm not praising her and I don't agree with her views on a lot of stuff, but if her term would have been like an Obama third term, I would have been fine with it. I'm just saying that she was dealing with a lot of prejudice and lies that really hampered her actual message from reaching the electorate. In 2016, most of it came from the Bernouts. From what I have seen, there is a lot of overlap between the Bernouts and Trumptards. A few of the Bernie supporters were cool. The obsessed Bernouts however, who couldn't handle that their hero wasn't as popular as they thought he'd be, sure did a lot of work for Trump.
Most of this is in hindsight. I didn't really give her a chance either. I opposed her because I didn't think she could possibly lose to Trump. I figured it was a good time to help a third party grow by getting votes in blue states to try to reach 5%. I refrained from bashing her though. I was careful never to help Trump win. That's my main gripe with Bernouts. They celebrated Clinton's loss. Not all Bernie supporters in late 2015 to early 2016 became Bernouts.
Padawanbater2
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What metric are you using to determine that Hillary Clinton "had an actual chance of being elected"? If she had a chance, wouldn't she have been elected?
UncleBuck
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Winning the primary was a good start. Even though the primary apparently was rigged for bernie by russia
citation?
apparently.
Fogdog
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still under investigation, apparently.
tooktoomuch
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Sometimes being a Banana...Politics.
abandonconflict
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penis
tooktoomuch
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Small font I notice maestro...
SneekyNinja
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Dude did you even read the question?
Fogdog
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Yup, winning the Democratic Party's primary is pretty important for a candidate who wants to run as the Democratic Party's candidate in the general election. Bernie thought so to.
Apparently
"If she had a chance, wouldn't she have been elected?"
LOL, Pad, you have such a poor understanding of the word "chance". Chance doesn't mean certain.
The comic relief you provide is worth the dumb comments one has to wade through in your posts.
Wait a minute. Who says I'm dumb.
Unclebaldrick
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If she ran her administration like she did her campaign, it might have been very poor. No good choices, but I busted my ass for her in the general. It wasn't easy.
UncleBuck
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Mueller's indictments
what did it say..exactly?
UncleBuck
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Bernie was helped by russians
TacoMac
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This thread is, at the very least, more than a bit inflammatory and misleading.
Initially, the Russians only had one goal in mind: to disrupt the political process.
It wasn't until after the primaries that the Russians really started being more target specific. They knew that Trump's biggest threat was Hillary, so they did anything they could to discredit her and dig up dirt on her. (And Hillary being Hillary, there's ALWAYS some dirt.)
That was basically it. They didn't give Sanders or Stein money, help their campaigns or anything of that nature. It was simply a smear campaign against Hillary that encouraged people to vote for somebody, ANYBODY else.
Did it work? Well, no. It didn't. At all. People still voted for Hillary as she won the election by 3 million votes.
In the end, the Russians had no effect on the outcome as far as the popular vote went.
Initially, the Russians only had one goal in mind: to disrupt the political process.
It wasn't until after the primaries that the Russians really started being more target specific. They knew that Trump's biggest threat was Hillary, so they did anything they could to discredit her and dig up dirt on her. (And Hillary being Hillary, there's ALWAYS some dirt.)
That was basically it. They didn't give Sanders or Stein money, help their campaigns or anything of that nature. It was simply a smear campaign against Hillary that encouraged people to vote for somebody, ANYBODY else.
Did it work? Well, no. It didn't. At all. People still voted for Hillary as she won the election by 3 million votes.
In the end, the Russians had no effect on the outcome as far as the popular vote went.
abandonconflict
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Jill is a gilf.